High school teacher (grade 9) one of my best students got diagnosed with "muh ADHD" this week. Here's what he told me.
The doctor (a GP) gave him a list of ten questions. It went something like this:
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Do you sometimes struggle to finish tasks?
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Do you sometimes have problems paying attention in class?
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Do you sometimes get bored?
Who the F is going to say no to any of this? Anyway, he got diagnosed with muh ADHD and now he's on pills, probably for life. The pills he gets are amphetamines by the way. Yes, really.
I'm a fucking teacher and I get bored by my class sometimes. Guess I need speed too.
This is 90%+ student by the way. Imagine diagnosing a complex mental condition (if it even exists) in five minutes, tops, and then being put on pills for life.
Absolutely disgusting.
School is bullshit.
Take young boys at the peak of their physicality and then make them sit in a hot smelly room listening to retards all day. Not enough? Go home and do paperwork on behalf of the retards.
I don't have ADHD I just don't give a fuck about what you're teaching.
Thats pretty much it.
You forgot to add homework/exams with random grading depending on how much the teacher loves you/ abusive female bitchy principal
Make sure to convince them that they're flawed for their nature, but acting like girls is the correct way to live. Make sure to crush their self esteem and natural development.
School as in k-12 academic institutions is in fact bullshit but teaching to boys as they grow into men is important but this teaching must come from the parents (man especially) not the schools.
The power for everyone to "do school right" exists but no one chooses to use it. Homeschool.
We as a society need to completely defund education 100% both k-12 and post secondary. 0 government backing for student loans either.
Or the “people” teaching it.
My friend manages a pediatricians office. The amount of calls they get from schools demanding they put their patients on meds because "the kid seems hyper" is astounding.
Her office runs right because they refuse all requests and the doctors at that office refuse to make ADHD diagnosises and instead refer out to specialists like you're supposed to because there are actually very strict guidelines.
Will be interesting to see if he stays that way after being drugged up.
probably not, the meds will make him docile forcing him to listen better. the adults will call this "better behavior", when it is in fact suppression of the student's mind itself.
instead of the student being taught to listen and take responsibility for himself, the student is being taught that he is inherently broken and daddy pill pusher can fix him.
Oh, I was thinking he meant this is 90% of students are on legal speed. That certainly seemed to be the case many years ago when I was in university.
No the kid has a 90%+ average haha
Gotta get em hooked early.
It’s fucked because these kids are literally put on drugs that get them high every day. It stunts their growth, kills their appetite, causes teeth grinding. I unfortunately work with kids a lot at one of my jobs, and I can tell you adhd is a real thing though. Some kids can lock in and pay complete attention, and some kids WILL NOT shut the fuck up and do what you want no matter what. It’s something you can recognize after a while, especially when kids spout out three high speed sentences that have nothing to do with each other consecutively. I’m so fucking sick of being around kids like that. It’s absolutely soul-draining. Instead of drugging them and devoting resources to forcing them through the school system they should be sent to the mines.
I used to joke that a huge array of modern mental afflictions were the result of not being physically tired enough and having too much free time. Depression, attention disorders, eating disorders, you name it.
It's not a joke anymore.
Well, yeah; how much of these problems are just "this kid needs more exercise than we care to give them so when they can't sit still it's because they're crazy"?
Or, moreover, "the principals behind factory schooling are totally fucked and the only people they work for are sociopaths"?
you're definitely on to something there. so much of life has been automated, even the process of learning itself.
if you want proof of what too much down time does to a mammal, look no further than most pets. most owners leave their pets at home all day, and only play with them for maybe 10 minutes when they get home. the pet has no job, no function, and gets reliable meals everyday. nine times out of 10, the pet is also tragically insane. Compare that with pets that have jobs (sheep herding dogs, duck hunting dogs, barn cats that hunt mice, dogs that compete in agility contests, etc), those pets are simultaneously happier, more intelligent, and more docile when off the clock.
I agree that the diagnostic methods are completely worthless hogwash. Which isn't exactly uncommon across the board in the medical and psychiatric fields.
The condition itself isn't entirely bullshit though. Poorly defined, named, and explained though, but I can attest to it being an actual problem that can exist. And the kinds of medication you're likely referring to are nowhere near as potent as actual amphetamines, but I can understand some degree of caution and concern, especially when the diagnosis sounds a bit dubious.
Oh, and I generally wouldn't trust a GP when it comes to this kind of shit at all. Most of what they understand about psychiatric conditions practically comes straight from a handbook with almost no formal training or education in neurochemistry or psychiatry. They're bound to over or under-diagnose, over or under medicate because they're pretty clueless.
And there's a lot of terrible psychologists and psychiatrists out there in general. Patients have to do 90% of the work in these and medical fields themselves to figure out what's going on and to investigate effective treatments.
What's the difference between a "condition" that needs to be treated and a "personality" which is just who you are?
I know people that did terribly in school who can build a car from scratch or a whole house from blueprints or write songs in real time. Do they need to be treated for something?
Or are these poorly defined "conditions" just an excuse to not succeed?
Yeah, I'm huge on that. Some people are just not fit for the "school" life, yet they are really given the choice between that and criminality and nothing much in between. They are actually really good at something useful, just it was either something they figured out later in life or were never even presented it as an option, because you know you can't feed the college system and the pharma industry like that.
Depends on the person I'd wager. For some patients the symptoms or effects aren't so bothersome, for other patients it might cause a lot of impactful issues when they go without any treatment.
Having a difficult time being able to relax at all, no matter the situation, isn't always fun. Nor is it fun to live with mental overload every hour of every day because there's no filter on the information flow, usually in a chaotic and disorganized mess.
Some people are perfectly capable of managing though. Some people thrive on the chaos. Doesn't mean it works for everyone. Also doesn't mean everyone needs treatment either to get by.
It's a case by case scenario, which is something I think professionals need to factor in a lot more. Diagnosis and treatment should be handled with more of an optional opt-in approach rather than something that's marketed as a necessity.
I believe they're called "hyperfixations" in psychology parlance. People with ADHD have one thing they focus on at the expense of everything else. You see this with the speedrunning community, and they're not exactly sane there.
THANK YOU! So many people here jump straight from "doctors are not properly diagnosing people which leads to more people being diagnosed with a mental illness than there actually are and are over prescribing drugs to people who don't need it" to "all forms of mental illness are complete bullshit, don't exist at all, and are just a side effect of trauma or drugs". Mental illnesses absolutely exist and ADHD is one of them. Yes, far less people actually have it than are diagnosed with it but that doesn't change the fact that it is a real thing.
Unfortunately people have a tendency to jump to very "absolute", wide blanket conclusions.
One solution fits all kinds of assumptions, assumptions that just because a tool/treatment might not work for some then it must mean it's totally tainted and completely unsafe or unusable. And assuming that just because a lot of apples (doctors) are rotten that not only is the whole barrel bad, it "must" mean that the entire apple industry is totally wrong about every possible thing and is "surely" just rotten to the core.
"I don't know what an HD is, but my doctor told me I had 80 of them."
Upgrade to solid state and you can probably cut way back on the number. And don't take build advice from MDs.
I just went to the doctor on the 14th. He told me I had 88 of them. Not sure what that's about.
His name was Nigel Gerard
ADHD is a very real condition but it is probably over diagnosed. Something interesting to note. Getting a proper amount of social interaction can reduce problems with ADHD. It sets the mind in a learning mindset. Usually, school is designed so there is practically no social interaction. A few minutes between classes is not good enough for social interaction. More introverted people can't even use a small blocks of time at all so they practically get no social interaction.
As for a proper diagnosis. For older kids, it is usually done with an IQ test. A proper multi-hour one. For young kids, they have another type of multi-hour test.
ADHD is merely a symptom of a world devoid of passion.
It also an extremely poorly named condition.
Attention deficit and hyperactivity disorder... when the people most hurt by the condition lack neither attention nor are particularly hyperactive.
It's the executive function problems that are crippling, but go unnoticed. Because rather than seeing a kid who has mental blocks on doing tasks, even tasks they enjoy, as someone in need of help, the kid is seen as lazy. Seen as lazy when the problem is actual brain damage.
Very much so. Another huge part of the condition is the mental disorganization and management of information, memory, etc.
Which understandably can exhibit as problems with attention and hyperactive behavior, but it's a name that merely describes the observable effects, not the core symptoms/issues.
They tried that shit on my nephew when he was in 1st grade I think. Luckily even though my brother and his wife drink too much of the kool aid, he's actually somewhat decent with the kids. He's closer to your age group now and yeah, he's distractable, but it's not some disorder. It's boredom. He actually has a spectacular attention span if it's something he's interested in. They just want any kid, especially the boys, brain dead and addicted.
I hate to see it, I get on really well with kids that young teen age. I want to think they aren't all that bad, but it seems like most would rather mutilate them or zombify them than something as abhorrent as talk, or maybe even more important, listen to them.
Microdosing methamphetamines did help with focusing on schoolwork back in the day. There are definitely times in my working life when I miss being able to turn on that pseudo flow state at will.
ADD/ADHD isn't bullshit anymore than being a faggot or having extreme body dysmorphia is bullshit.
The issue is how people get diagnosed and added to the count, because eventually it becomes a paid grift thing for doctors to drum up funds for studies and sales for medicine to treat the things.
Fags have always existed despite the fact that they're a mutant, dead end biological anomaly. ADHD/ADD is most likely a mutation from vaxxing kids/mothers and all the poisons they put in the food and water.
Trust me, I have ADD. It's very apparent and has been since I was a small child. It has near ruined my life in multiple ways. Completely unable to concentrate on and total disinterest in anything besides things I have a passion for. Several other embarrassing things I'm not happy with discussing.
There's probably no point in trying to explain to close minded people that there are things that exist in this world outside the scope of their own self experienced reality, but I PROMISE you, just because something gets over diagnosed, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Yes. It exist. And it's over diagnosed. If you've ever put your ice cream in the cupboard, can't sit without bouncing your knee, listen to everyone but the person you're talking to; consistently... Every hour for thirty years, lose your keys wallet and phone; can make a list of things to do but lose the list, can't follow the list, and think you'll do better without it anyway; start cleaning your room and for hours later it's an even bigger mess, walk into rooms and forget why you went there, want to clean your room but then remember that before you can do that you need to get boxes at the store, go to the store, get home and then remember you were supposed to get boxes at the store; and if you're under pressure with tight timeliness and overwhelming odds of failure, people see you as way too calm and collected yet you somehow bang it out and save the day. You probably have ADHD. Otherwise you likely don't.
welcome to modern medicine, especially when it comes to brain stuff.
personally, I think having ADHD is really just having mild autism, the kind that can be channeled into high productivity and intelligence given
A) the right kind of support and nourishment from the student's environment, and
B) proper motivation from the student himself.
by giving him pills, I think his doctors, his parents, and the school are failing him in a spectacularly catastrophic way. Requirement A is obliterated because now The faculty can simply solve problems with the student by telling him to take his pills, no adjustment in teaching style, no accommodation of his needs, just making him docile with drugs. Requirement B is also summarily executed because the pills will create a dependence and the student will never learn to regulate his thoughts and emotions without outside intervention.
Most of the adults I've met with low success in life got an ADHD diagnosis, and are subsequently on brain meds of some kind. the longer they've been on these meds, the worse their ability to function without them is (withdrawal? that's only for illegal drugs!!). Simultaneously, their ADHD diagnosis is treated as vindication. "I'm not a fuck up, my brain just sucks!".
getting an ADHD diagnosis is probably one of the worst things you can do to a child, not because """ADHD""" will ruin their life, but because the treatment will.
Doctors will prescribe stuff like this or other drugs like SSRIs, without even a follow up on how you're doing. Instead the general practitioners ought to refer to someone else for a quality evaluation.
ADHD is just "needing more exercise and better diet", just like almost everything else in life.
Diabetes, need more exercise and better diet. Back pain? More exercise and better diet. Obesity, same. Sciatica? Exercise, and stretching.
Literally all our problems are we eat like shit and we sit too often.
Most people add stimulants into their lives via caffeine and nicotine. I will agree that natural stimulants are better
Jews want all White people, starting as children, to be drug addicted to as many substances as possible so they never learn to deal with adversity without relying on some sort of crutch. This widespread drug pushing problem we see coming from mental health “professionals”, doctors and big pharma jews is like a majority of all other Jew agendas, it’s about weakening us so we never fight back.
This is supposed to be a gaming forum so...
I always had a raging suspicion that western substance abuse resulted in Dark Souls game design and other split second reaction nonsense. It's no secret that early e-sports had a adderall problem. What happens when too many young people take drugs and game developers need to balance game challenges around it?
He'll be selling the pills so others can take em recreationally in no time.
Gotta tech em young how to sell drugs, amiright
This just in: drugs make things easier. Tomorrow's story: drugs eventually make everything harder.
In the UK, judges allow (minority groups) to gang rape if they have an ADHD diagnosis:
https://www.dailymail.com/news/article-15848793/Sentences-teenage-boys-spared-jail-rape-schoolgirls-Court-Appeal.html
I heard you're soon retiring. Teach the kid how to do business, how to read the market, and how to meet the customers needs. Seriously though Canada is a communist shithole. Today I saw a video that's going viral about a guy being pulled over to be forcefully taken to a shrink for evaluation because a doctor certified him. WTF!
Yeah never EVER tell a doctorr you're suiciddal/feeling depressed. They can LITERALLY destroy your entire life and you have no recourse. You know in the US when you can sue a doctor for malpractice? There is no such thing in Canada. If a doctor messes up, you are looking at 5-6 years of legal procedures (100k minimum) to MAYBE get 10-15k payout at the end. And the losing party doesn't pay the legal fees of the other party here.
If you tell a doctor you are suicidal, they can take away your driving license and you are looking at years of, well, medication+muh shrink + legal fight.
They'll take your guns away here. And severely cut off your access to jobs.
Depends on regional laws too, and how much you can trust a doctor, but generally you're right. There's usually laws on the books that allow, possibly even encourage a doctor to break doctor-patient confidentiality if they think a patient might be a "danger to themselves" (or others).
Also here doctors can inject you against your will. During COVID, they actually were getting ready to send police to people's door to drag them out for mandatory clotshots
Hopefully the kid gets off them.
I was on Ritalin for years, and diagnosed with Asperger's basically as soon as it got its name.
Now, I really AM autistic, but I still wonder if those pills I haven't taken in at least 20 years had a permanent effect on me.
Not very likely. Stimulants like that don't exactly stay in your system for very long and they don't have many lasting effects after they've worn off. They don't have the kind of pharmacological action like SSRI's and some other kinds of medications that can potentially tinker with a lot of different receptors throughout the brain and other nerves throughout the body. And even that's something I consider an unlikely risk, but comparatively, I think the risk is far less pronounced with most ADHD medications.
The biggest risk with stimulants would be if you took a really massive dose (or a lot of multiple doses) at once and if you caused some mini strokes or something. Mind you, this would have to be like 1/4-1/2 of a full bottle or something.
Edit: Also of course there's maybe some potential risk if you've been consistently taking heavy stimulants for 10-15+ years. But I was guessing that you probably hadn't taken them for quite that long, based on your wording.
Good to know. That had been bugging me for a long time.
No problem. I know what it's like to have those kinds of concerns. Concerns about whether or not I screwed up my brain up by doing xyz years ago and things like that, especially where medication is concerned.
Sometimes you have to break away from what you're worrying about and take a fresh perspective by focusing on what's logically probable based on the variables involved.
And another thing to keep in mind is that the human body and the brain are usually pretty adaptable and can do a pretty good job of undoing or repairing things, returning things back to their former state or by forming workarounds, so long as the damage isn't particularly severe.
Was on amphetamines through school. Stopped afterward, so it wasn't for life.
Kid should get the non-extended/immediate release ones though, they were much cheaper and no one needs ADD medication for more than 8 hours. Side effects are drastically lessened. The dosage is 1/2, the effect when you need it is the same.
Doctors always default to the extended release garbage, but are usually okay with writing a scrip for the non-XR stuff that has existed for much longer.
Usually to get any legit diagnosis, you'd go to a neuropsychologist and they'd put you though several hours of testing along with weighing input from parents, teachers, etc. A 10 question questionnaire wouldn't even come close. Even with the diagnosis, I'd never agree to put any kid on meds. They should be just getting extra time (on tests and such) and help in school rather than medicating. Most people grow out of the hyperactivity in adulthood anyway.
Extra time on exams probably won't do shit for ADD and variants, they'll just be even less focused without the pressure. Extra time in classes might work. Smaller class sizes almost certainly would.
It's amazing how often giftedness is viewed as some kind of mental illness. I remember people nearly demanding I be autistic or ADHD. Nah, just understood it quickly and was bored.