I've been trying to draw attention to this phenomenon for a while; first generation immigrants have tons of kids but their kids have birth rates as low or lower than our own. That's one of the reasons immigration can't fix population decline.
The bigger question is: why don't people have kids in the West? It's impossible to argue that we have worse material conditions or healthcare than Africa or Asia. So what is it?
Estrogen in the water supply? Toxic culture? Anti-natalist policies?
Not just the West, birth rates are also cratering in the East as well, and mostly for the same reasons: cultural influence.
The reasons for even being in a relationship have been erased, unless you're religious and see the need to follow the first edict of the Bible: be fruitful and multiply.
In secularism there is no reason to be married and no reason to multiply. Majority of today's women (in the East and the West) have been convinced that abortions are the most important "issue" they face, and they have also been convinced that the thing they were made for (giving birth) is an inconvenience.
Couple this with nonstop propaganda across every medium of media convincing women that they: "don't need no man", are "strong and independent", that they need to focus on a "career and education", and that they can "always start a family later".
This kind of heavy-handed cajoling has worked wonders on wenches. Check the polls that were posted here about how Conservative White men value family more than any other demographic of women.
The other major problem is -- as you astutely pointed out -- is the emasculation of men in media, and the demasculation of men in behaviour, pushed by the gynocentrism of the zeitgeist.
Everywhere in media blokes are being told that masculinity is "toxic", and have been fed all kinds of BS to raise estrogen levels and decrease testosterone. Lots of the average young blokes are EXTREMELY blue pilled -- though it appears straight White lads who at least attempt to get informed are being red pilled and taking the appropriate measures to fix the issue.
But lots of the lads are weak and deify femininity, hence the simp epidemic. And females deify solipsistic materialism.
So if you have the young lads worshiping women, who in turn only worship themselves -- you end up in a Mouse Utopia situation.
As others pointed out in other threads, this all gets fixed when White Christian lads put their foot down, tell the lasses "No!" and do what needs to be done to correct course. Hopefully the data in this post is a slight indicator of that beginning to happen.
Majority of today's women (in the East and the West) have been convinced that abortions are the most important "issue" they face, and they have also been convinced that the thing they were made for (giving birth) is an inconvenience.
Even the ones that want kids don't want them until after 15+ years on the cock carousel. Replacement level birth rates are a pipe dream when women aren't having kids until after 30 even if you discount the insane level of female entitlement the CC creates and the all the obstacles it causes on the male side of the equation.
So if you have the young lads worshiping women, who in turn only worship themselves
I've been noticing this a lot, even among (maybe even especially among) Christian conservative men. Men essentially have nothing to live for except worshipping women, at least according to modern societal morals, and so we have nothing but pervs and simps. Men as a whole need to start taking back control and doing it unashamedly.
There are maybe only two or three content creators that actually call this out for what it is, and only one (Dave Hammond -- even though he still married a former lesbian whore) who tells men to simply STOP chasing women and de-center women and relationships altogether.
Every other channel out there, forum, and marriage counseling community out there all tell men that "women are the prize". So young lads center themselves around working, evolving, and leveling up for the sake of women rather than for the sake of self, or productivity, or discovery, or to evolve.
they need to focus on a "career and education", and that they can "always start a family later".
I think this is massively understated. Check the timeline of a career woman.
18yo, beginning of baby window: she's looking at potential colleges, not mates.
22yo, prime baby time: graduated, now has $30,000 in debt and no assets, she's looking for a job, still no husband
27yo, getting late: if she put $500 against the loan each month, 0% interest, she's now out of debt. Still no net value. If she's found a husband, she has time for 1-2 kids before things get complicated. If she wants kids at all, school was a waste of time.
29yo, last chance: she focusses everything on finding a husband and gets one locked down in two years; one kid, maybe it's already too late. If she's still working at the same rate, she's got $6000 in savings; almost enough for a used car.
30yo, the wall: no house, no car, if she's had a kid she's paying for daycare and there's no more saving. Unless the husband wants to carry this "girlboss", divorce will come soon.
Feminists and the dual income economy. The entire trajectory of the decline in birth rates in the US is nearly 1:1 with feminism and the civil rights movement. This also tracks in all first world nations.
The idea that perpetual economic growth is possible is another one when clearly it can never be the case. They'll keep squeezing us until total collapse happens.
Housing is also a big factor. When people can't afford a permanent place to live, especially when the average age of first ownership is so high, you get a big delay in marriage and having children. Add in the broken culture, crap economy, propaganda that you need to be in the perfect place financially before you have kids, among other things.
Eh, maybe. Personally, I've got two teenagers in a two bedroom apartment and we make it work. I've seen immigrants squeeze three or four kids into the same space I have.
I think this is a propaganda thing. Maybe it's different in the States, but raising kids in Canada is actually pretty cheap. I don't think I've ever had to buy brand new clothes for them, other than undergarments, because there's just so much lightly used stuff everywhere. Ditto with toys. And, because no one is having kids but biology is still a thing, women constantly try to buy things for my kids. Not just family, like arms-length aquaintances. The biggest expense is food but the government gives up to $600 per kid per month so, whatever.
So yeah, I think what you are describing is the propaganda that stops people having kids, rather than the reality.
Because every single woman on the planet is a whore at heart. When left to their own devices, they will choose the cock carousel over raising a family every time. There is a reason they have been treated as property in every functional society in the history of mankind.
Reminds me of the manipulated Job/Household income reports, which have showed gains and increases, up until recently that is(like a week ago), which reflected tons of job loses.
I remember when accurate reporting of Economy & Job’s were taking place, Trumpy fired the guy and put someone sympathetic to the cause in place and suddenly #’s increased. Those job reports, showing jobs gained, which is directly linked to the faux “household income increased,” failed to mention causality—people can’t afford the same things, so husband , or wife, even both, have had to get another job—even teens 16-17+ to help household.
I think it's in large part falsified, for example if I look at my local crimes it's 50/40/10 black/hispanic/meth head and the hispanics are 95% labeled as white. However, there is definitely a resurgence in white families at least in the Christian sector. Whereas when I was growing up I saw churchgoers with 0, 1, 2, MAYBE 3 children, these days I see minivans roll up and pop out a normal white man, a gravid white church mom, and 5-6 little blonde children.
One reason I don't ever buy the black pill is I truly think many of the greatest burdens on the vigor of the white race have passed with the 60s-00s: a stubborn and significant proportion of white people – yes, even the women – are rediscovering tradition, eating healthier, rejecting vice, even in the wake of faggotry, whoredom, and kike poison. And most importantly, the lead-poisoning generation is no longer responsible for contributing to births. Granted we have an inflammation and microplastic crisis but many white women these days are notorious for being ""crunchy"" i.e. a kike slur for white women who, bordering nearly on paranoia, pathologically reject the goyslop status quo.
That's a shitty perspective. Do you wish you were never born? Why do you think your son or daughter would wish they were never born if you don't think that way yourself?
You're not a slave. You have a lot of free will today, choices to make.
Why do you think your son or daughter would wish they were never born if you don't think that way yourself?
I think that way myself.
You're not a slave.
And yet I have to walk in the cold (Quebec), wait for a bus that might or might not show up, wait for another bus, then walk 15 mins to teach kids that are delivered to schools by parents with Porsche and Alfa Romeo, to barely make enough to survive. Net I make 3k a month, rent 1700 food 500 bills (internet, transport, electricity, etc) 500. That's $300 spare money per month IF I am lucky.
You have a lot of free will today, choices to make.
Maybe you could teach your kids not to make the same shitty choices you made?
I'm in Ontario and I can clear $4k a month, easily, roofing. Zero education, zero debt, and where I work runs year round. Do literally anything other than work for the government.
Yeah guys working trades aren't struggling for work at all. I can pull $500+ per day doing subcontractor stuff or $300-$400 per day just dealing with customers myself
No, I don't love roofing. It is a hard, dirty, dangerous job that can easily destroy your body in a couple years. Half the roofers I know are on hard drugs or perscription and pretty much all of them drink heavily. There's a certain satisfacting in getting the job done but this isn't something anyone intentionally pursues. That's why it pays.
This is exactly your problem. You fell for the "do what you love" scam. Wrong; do what you get paid for. People working because they're "passionate" are easy to take advantage of, which is why game devs are always treated like shit.
I also love teaching kids, that's why I had kids. And, because they're my own, I don't need to throw in the globohomo crap the government requires.
I mean, you do you but don't complain about money or being miserable at work if you got there because it's what you wanted.
It sounds like you dont like your job. How much effort have you put into a career change? A side hustle?
Stop making yourself miserable. You identified the source of your grief so make a radical change in your life and cut out the job and commute that makes you so miserable.
I lost my career job for not wearing a mask and next thing i knew i was mowing lawns and shit. LOL but i wasn't wearing a mask. You adapt. You roll with the punches.
Tbf I am leaving t eaching to go into tutoring. But even in tutoring, people ask for invoice + business names + registration + whats my sales taxes registration blah blah blah. I have to lie/bullshit them. Matter of time until I run into some snitch/gov agent and get fucked.
Same for you by the way; how long until you get reported by one of the guy who pays you. "Your honor, I paid him $500 for mowing my lawn."
A lot of them want receipts for tax deductions of their own too.
Anyway I lost my first job because I refused to do a covid test. That was a while ago.
I doubt it, they probably just changed how it’s measured. It used to be fashionable to have mixed/non-white kids, so that’s how it was reported. Now they’re probably calling more people white since it’s fashionable, even if they’re really mixed with something else
I haven’t looked at the data though I’m just guessing
Was at DMV few weeks back and girl asked front desk woman, “should I check off ‘other’ since I’m 25%-35% Dominican?” The woman told her you can just check off “white,” which could be standard practice, but I have no idea, So maybe seems entirely possible what’s going on as well
I've been trying to draw attention to this phenomenon for a while; first generation immigrants have tons of kids but their kids have birth rates as low or lower than our own. That's one of the reasons immigration can't fix population decline.
The bigger question is: why don't people have kids in the West? It's impossible to argue that we have worse material conditions or healthcare than Africa or Asia. So what is it?
Estrogen in the water supply? Toxic culture? Anti-natalist policies?
Not just the West, birth rates are also cratering in the East as well, and mostly for the same reasons: cultural influence.
The reasons for even being in a relationship have been erased, unless you're religious and see the need to follow the first edict of the Bible: be fruitful and multiply.
In secularism there is no reason to be married and no reason to multiply. Majority of today's women (in the East and the West) have been convinced that abortions are the most important "issue" they face, and they have also been convinced that the thing they were made for (giving birth) is an inconvenience.
Couple this with nonstop propaganda across every medium of media convincing women that they: "don't need no man", are "strong and independent", that they need to focus on a "career and education", and that they can "always start a family later".
This kind of heavy-handed cajoling has worked wonders on wenches. Check the polls that were posted here about how Conservative White men value family more than any other demographic of women.
The other major problem is -- as you astutely pointed out -- is the emasculation of men in media, and the demasculation of men in behaviour, pushed by the gynocentrism of the zeitgeist.
Everywhere in media blokes are being told that masculinity is "toxic", and have been fed all kinds of BS to raise estrogen levels and decrease testosterone. Lots of the average young blokes are EXTREMELY blue pilled -- though it appears straight White lads who at least attempt to get informed are being red pilled and taking the appropriate measures to fix the issue.
But lots of the lads are weak and deify femininity, hence the simp epidemic. And females deify solipsistic materialism.
So if you have the young lads worshiping women, who in turn only worship themselves -- you end up in a Mouse Utopia situation.
As others pointed out in other threads, this all gets fixed when White Christian lads put their foot down, tell the lasses "No!" and do what needs to be done to correct course. Hopefully the data in this post is a slight indicator of that beginning to happen.
Even the ones that want kids don't want them until after 15+ years on the cock carousel. Replacement level birth rates are a pipe dream when women aren't having kids until after 30 even if you discount the insane level of female entitlement the CC creates and the all the obstacles it causes on the male side of the equation.
I've been noticing this a lot, even among (maybe even especially among) Christian conservative men. Men essentially have nothing to live for except worshipping women, at least according to modern societal morals, and so we have nothing but pervs and simps. Men as a whole need to start taking back control and doing it unashamedly.
Absolutely true.
There are maybe only two or three content creators that actually call this out for what it is, and only one (Dave Hammond -- even though he still married a former lesbian whore) who tells men to simply STOP chasing women and de-center women and relationships altogether.
Every other channel out there, forum, and marriage counseling community out there all tell men that "women are the prize". So young lads center themselves around working, evolving, and leveling up for the sake of women rather than for the sake of self, or productivity, or discovery, or to evolve.
I think this is massively understated. Check the timeline of a career woman.
18yo, beginning of baby window: she's looking at potential colleges, not mates.
22yo, prime baby time: graduated, now has $30,000 in debt and no assets, she's looking for a job, still no husband
27yo, getting late: if she put $500 against the loan each month, 0% interest, she's now out of debt. Still no net value. If she's found a husband, she has time for 1-2 kids before things get complicated. If she wants kids at all, school was a waste of time.
29yo, last chance: she focusses everything on finding a husband and gets one locked down in two years; one kid, maybe it's already too late. If she's still working at the same rate, she's got $6000 in savings; almost enough for a used car.
30yo, the wall: no house, no car, if she's had a kid she's paying for daycare and there's no more saving. Unless the husband wants to carry this "girlboss", divorce will come soon.
Feminists and the dual income economy. The entire trajectory of the decline in birth rates in the US is nearly 1:1 with feminism and the civil rights movement. This also tracks in all first world nations.
The idea that perpetual economic growth is possible is another one when clearly it can never be the case. They'll keep squeezing us until total collapse happens.
Housing is also a big factor. When people can't afford a permanent place to live, especially when the average age of first ownership is so high, you get a big delay in marriage and having children. Add in the broken culture, crap economy, propaganda that you need to be in the perfect place financially before you have kids, among other things.
Eh, maybe. Personally, I've got two teenagers in a two bedroom apartment and we make it work. I've seen immigrants squeeze three or four kids into the same space I have.
I think this is a propaganda thing. Maybe it's different in the States, but raising kids in Canada is actually pretty cheap. I don't think I've ever had to buy brand new clothes for them, other than undergarments, because there's just so much lightly used stuff everywhere. Ditto with toys. And, because no one is having kids but biology is still a thing, women constantly try to buy things for my kids. Not just family, like arms-length aquaintances. The biggest expense is food but the government gives up to $600 per kid per month so, whatever.
So yeah, I think what you are describing is the propaganda that stops people having kids, rather than the reality.
'Liberated' women, if I had to put money on it.
Because every single woman on the planet is a whore at heart. When left to their own devices, they will choose the cock carousel over raising a family every time. There is a reason they have been treated as property in every functional society in the history of mankind.
Here's the ONE caveat though: just like police arrest records, the hospitals are recording Hispanics as "White".
OOOPS! 🙄
Curious. What is the given reason for the black birth rate "cratering"?
I find myself wondering if it was the food stamps reforms. Was it always as simple as just not giving sheboons free candy for pumping out more kids?
I’m betting the work requirements were a massive factor, I'm also betting African gimmegrants were the majority of black births the past decade.
Any free contraceptive programs?
Best news all day.
add that to the massive number of early nigger deaths
Not just killing each other, but awful diets, awful polluted environments, an inferior physiology and getting shot in the commission of crimes
Then there are the niggers at Nigger U that are kept from having kids.
We also need to make sure Usha Vance stops procreating
All of them, nasty shits.
Have you seen photos of JD Vance’s family dirtying up the white house? Makes me sick
They include in ''White'' anyone that is vaguely caucassian.
This includes Middle-Easterners and Indians.
And JD Vance’s new mudblood children
Indians are a separate category at least. Mena might still be included under white though.
Arabs count as White in most demographic data.
Good news, if they really are white. Any reason to doubt?
Yes, doubt alot. Untill proven otherwise, they include anyone with the most lax definition of ''caucassian'' ; so Middle-Easterners and Indians.
Don't forget all the southlanders. There's a reason there's the specification "non-hispanic white" on surveys.
I don't believe this at all.
I've seen the crime data and what they label as white to dilute the data.
I don’t buy it,
Reminds me of the manipulated Job/Household income reports, which have showed gains and increases, up until recently that is(like a week ago), which reflected tons of job loses.
I remember when accurate reporting of Economy & Job’s were taking place, Trumpy fired the guy and put someone sympathetic to the cause in place and suddenly #’s increased. Those job reports, showing jobs gained, which is directly linked to the faux “household income increased,” failed to mention causality—people can’t afford the same things, so husband , or wife, even both, have had to get another job—even teens 16-17+ to help household.
I think it's in large part falsified, for example if I look at my local crimes it's 50/40/10 black/hispanic/meth head and the hispanics are 95% labeled as white. However, there is definitely a resurgence in white families at least in the Christian sector. Whereas when I was growing up I saw churchgoers with 0, 1, 2, MAYBE 3 children, these days I see minivans roll up and pop out a normal white man, a gravid white church mom, and 5-6 little blonde children.
One reason I don't ever buy the black pill is I truly think many of the greatest burdens on the vigor of the white race have passed with the 60s-00s: a stubborn and significant proportion of white people – yes, even the women – are rediscovering tradition, eating healthier, rejecting vice, even in the wake of faggotry, whoredom, and kike poison. And most importantly, the lead-poisoning generation is no longer responsible for contributing to births. Granted we have an inflammation and microplastic crisis but many white women these days are notorious for being ""crunchy"" i.e. a kike slur for white women who, bordering nearly on paranoia, pathologically reject the goyslop status quo.
I'm going to impregnate a woman this weekend. Wish me luck folks
A mans wealth is determined by how many children he has. Not by fiat fake paper currencies. If you have a million dollars but no kids, you're broke.
Again I agree with you, but I cant bring myself to bring a child in this world.
A future slave/whore.
That's a shitty perspective. Do you wish you were never born? Why do you think your son or daughter would wish they were never born if you don't think that way yourself?
You're not a slave. You have a lot of free will today, choices to make.
Yes.
I think that way myself.
And yet I have to walk in the cold (Quebec), wait for a bus that might or might not show up, wait for another bus, then walk 15 mins to teach kids that are delivered to schools by parents with Porsche and Alfa Romeo, to barely make enough to survive. Net I make 3k a month, rent 1700 food 500 bills (internet, transport, electricity, etc) 500. That's $300 spare money per month IF I am lucky.
Yeah I'm quitting this job asap.
Maybe you could teach your kids not to make the same shitty choices you made?
I'm in Ontario and I can clear $4k a month, easily, roofing. Zero education, zero debt, and where I work runs year round. Do literally anything other than work for the government.
Yeah guys working trades aren't struggling for work at all. I can pull $500+ per day doing subcontractor stuff or $300-$400 per day just dealing with customers myself
Yeah well what I love to do is teach kids sciences.
You love roofing, fine. I love teaching science.
No, I don't love roofing. It is a hard, dirty, dangerous job that can easily destroy your body in a couple years. Half the roofers I know are on hard drugs or perscription and pretty much all of them drink heavily. There's a certain satisfacting in getting the job done but this isn't something anyone intentionally pursues. That's why it pays.
This is exactly your problem. You fell for the "do what you love" scam. Wrong; do what you get paid for. People working because they're "passionate" are easy to take advantage of, which is why game devs are always treated like shit.
I also love teaching kids, that's why I had kids. And, because they're my own, I don't need to throw in the globohomo crap the government requires.
I mean, you do you but don't complain about money or being miserable at work if you got there because it's what you wanted.
So you are unhappy but convinced yourself you are happy. Wow.
It sounds like you dont like your job. How much effort have you put into a career change? A side hustle?
Stop making yourself miserable. You identified the source of your grief so make a radical change in your life and cut out the job and commute that makes you so miserable.
I lost my career job for not wearing a mask and next thing i knew i was mowing lawns and shit. LOL but i wasn't wearing a mask. You adapt. You roll with the punches.
Tbf I am leaving t eaching to go into tutoring. But even in tutoring, people ask for invoice + business names + registration + whats my sales taxes registration blah blah blah. I have to lie/bullshit them. Matter of time until I run into some snitch/gov agent and get fucked.
Same for you by the way; how long until you get reported by one of the guy who pays you. "Your honor, I paid him $500 for mowing my lawn."
A lot of them want receipts for tax deductions of their own too.
Anyway I lost my first job because I refused to do a covid test. That was a while ago.
Source of my grief is child abuse lol
Whites have been intentionally conditioned to think this way.
I doubt it, they probably just changed how it’s measured. It used to be fashionable to have mixed/non-white kids, so that’s how it was reported. Now they’re probably calling more people white since it’s fashionable, even if they’re really mixed with something else
I haven’t looked at the data though I’m just guessing
Was at DMV few weeks back and girl asked front desk woman, “should I check off ‘other’ since I’m 25%-35% Dominican?” The woman told her you can just check off “white,” which could be standard practice, but I have no idea, So maybe seems entirely possible what’s going on as well
No need to thank me
Oh but I do.
From all the minorities who get classified as white after their crimes make the news...
On a more serious note, federal government classifies Arabs as white.
That's cool