There's things I don't like about Gen Z, but most of it I understand the reason behind it. The not liking rock music thing is too bizarre though. Everyone liked rock music. If you were in grade school in the 2000s, you were liking music from the 70s, Pink Floyd, Led Zeppelin - through the 90s.
It seemed like every generation appreciated rock.
But I've heard that Gen Z does not like rock music. I don't get it. To me that's like "not liking apple pie"; it's such an American cornerstone that it's baffling.
It's sad. In my opinion, if you don't like rock; that's kind of gay, like literally in the homosexual sense. There's something about if Alice in Chains Man in the Box comes on on the radio and you turn it off in favor of some retarded pop or rap or EDM, that's kind of gay.
There's something masculine about rock above other genres of music and the fact that Gen Z can't recognize it is concerning.
Like I get they didn't grow up with it, but I didn't grow up with Star Trek. It was never on in my house, but I recognize that Captain Kirk is a chad and that's why I now like TOS despite never growing up with it.
You should be able to recognize testosterone when you come across it and the fact that the times when they do hear some of the best rock, it doesn't register as "this kicks tons of butt" tells me something is off with their testosterone levels.
If the first 20 seconds of this doesn't start making your head nod back and forth you have to be gay.
You have to be some kind of faggot to not like fire.
Meanwhile Diddy assfucks half the big name rappers and people pretend like rap is still cool.
Hey, the singer is very, how can I say, Israeli. The music is good, but you have that. I don't care, mostly.
Yeah I'm aware David Draiman is a POS.
The David Draiman mini-saga was one of the funniest parts of Gamergate. Comes in down with the sickness, tries to sic GG on his pet cause, flames out and leaves while posting he's "felt comfortable being a Jew for the first time" in Israel. And the whole thing was in allcaps
Disturbed is weird choice when trying to talk about universal appeal in rock music.
Lol
Consider the possibility that some people had psychotic narcs for older sibilings who would abuse them physically and mentally to the rhytm of Korn, Linkin Park and Limbizkit. The beat drop becomes a singal for literal beating dropping on your head, that hurts.
Some people had pavlovian conditioning to associate specific stimula with pain during their formative years and then you come along and act surprised when something is off. Is it rock's fault? Absolutely not.
You now know why things are the way they are.
I think this might be unique to you and your brother mate.
Who knows. If people were as open about everything as I am then truth would surface.
Awfully specific
And true.
Hey, don't forget metal, too! Rock AND metal are the kings of music.
My grandparent's generation called rock "noise" and "of the devil". To be fair it was a large departure from music before the 50s, even though 50s rock is incredibly benign. I'm uncertain if they ever listened to it objectively though. Whereas I can appreciate good jazz and big band from the early to mid century, and classical obviously as well.
I tried to listen Gucci Gang, for example, and some other recent rap and so much of it is indeed trash. I'm not certain if Gen Z like it to be ironic or if it is truly appreciated.
Supposedly, jazz was the rap of its era (Roaring Twenties), but it's clearly more technical than rap.
Came here to post this. Even when it comes to rap, new gen stars like Kendrick aren't as catchy as the 90s, but they're praised everywhere, so you had to like them to be "in."
Rock is for Whites and gen z is the least White generation aside from the younger ones.
Yeah I think it's a bigger indication that young kids are just completely uninterested in popular music at all.
Even for myself, I was never particularly interested in music aside from stuff from video games and anime. And now most of the music in games and anime sucks too.
Music, movies, and tv shows have all largely missed with Gen Z because control was handed over to the worst kinds of theater kids
The astroturfed culture definitely changed, but in real life, I don't think white beauty standards were affected too much. It is physically impossible for most women to get butts that big without being obese anyway.
It's called a BBL
To the contrary, go to a local gym and I must admit, the fascination with girls trying to get nice asses was the only positive thing in the past fifteen years. They just do squats and stairs like crazy and honestly, it's amazing.
I guess you and me look at it differently then. When I'm at the gym and I see high school aged girls going obsessively from glute exercise to glute exercise to quad exercise because they undoubtedly want their ass to be oversized compared to the rest of their body, I think it is extremely sad and an indictment of our society that we've let them be inundated with that shitty culture.
For sure. But I'm saying aesthetically, it looks amazing. Just like men look better with boulder shoulders.
And the side benefit is those women are objectively less likely to suffer from trips and falls in old age if they keep up with their lower body exercises.
Women don't think of bubble butts just as some gene you're blessed with anymore and it's amazing
Can you blame them? It's just propaganda from another era. Just take a look at the lyrics for Neil Young's "Southern Man," Lynyrd Skynyrd's "Saturday Night Special," or Styx's "Fooling Yourself." And those are just the one's I can name off the top of my head from the local station just playing them too much.
Honestly, the only music I listen to anymore are game soundtracks, especially the Stellaris Soundtrack and Nordic power metal (which is once again filled with literal propaganda).
Yeah Andreas made some nice music for stellaris and then later dlcs got rid of him in favor of something more... generic? Bland? Wonder what happened there.
The other two were pretty obvious propaganda, but what’s wrong with this one?
Its boomers telling GenX men that everything is fine, when in fact everything is going to shit. Now GenX didn't have it near as bad as Millennials and Zoomers, but the decline was well underway.
"Your future looks quite bright to me"
Oh for some reason I thought it was talking to boomers. That makes sense.
You might be right, but i just know that it pisses me off every time I hear it, but I'm a millennial.
My daughter absolutely loves rock.
There's definitely outliers and exceptions in any time period. I'm sure you could find Gen Z'ers who are into 1930s jazz or something.
There is a broad trend of not liking rock that started with Gen Z. Boomers, Gen X, and Millennials all pretty much liked rock music equally.
Gen Z is the first generation that has basically no appreciation for rock on a larger scale, acknowledging there are always exceptions.
I know a fair number of zoomers who don't seem to go for rap at all. I can't tell you what their specific musical preferences are exactly, but it's nothing close to rap or anything particularly awful/weird.
Certainly fair, but I only have the sample size of one. I certainly don't talk to any of her friends lol.
Lmao what? I don't get the reference.
Who or where did you hear that from? That's the first thing to ask. Plenty of people in the thread have mentioned how the media tries to engineer people's tastes, but they also try to engineer how you view other demographics. Driving a wedge between generations is a great divide and conquer tactic to prevent critical mass among any group.
Also, pay close attention to the distinction between not liking and not knowing. If you see a headline like, "Gen Z doesn't want to listen to rock music," it's likely they polled, "what do you like to listen to," and the respondents were unfamiliar with rock music. Then the author wanted something vaguely true, but sensational to bait engagement. That kind of thing is a favorite trick of the media.
There isn’t much mass appeal rock for us Zoomers on pop stations. It’s all electronic pop or some variety of rap. The few who do listen to rock usually transition into metal, metalcore, classic stuff exclusively, or some other more obscure genres of rock/metal.
I think of zoomer music as heavily ironic, depressed, and/or hopelessly niche. The days of the country being united around a decent catchy song like Sk8ter Boi are long gone.
Interestingly enough, a lot of the songs I hear at the gym are at least 5 years old and in a lot of cases 10 years or more.
Sincerity is dead. Everything has to be quippy, self aware, or subversive.
What bands and music do you like?
Some highlights:
Rock - All Good Things
Alt-Rock - Course of Nature
Hard Rock - Destroy Rebuild Until God Shows
Metal - Light the Torch
Metalcore - Moodring, Suasion
Classic Rock/Metal - Pretty much anything popular + the first Dio album
It's not rock.
It's basically they have no interest in anything.
They aren't dating. They aren't getting laid or trying to. They aren't driving. They don't drink. They don't smoke. They aren't getting jobs. They don't read. They don't write. They don't go out to parties. They don't hang out with friends in real life. They don't go to movies.
They are 14-29. The older half should be out being social. They aren't. Go to a bar, and the people there are in their 30s and 40s. Where are the young people? Who knows.
Zoomers are basically non-people. Gen X was small and had no political clout but they made fire music and made great actors. Gen Z will not be the forgotten generation. They'll be the "who?" Generation.
All that stuff costs money, but entry-level jobs are going to cheap foreign labor instead of to the young people who were born here, so zoomers are mostly broke. Blame the great replacement for disenfranchising them.
We can’t get a date, can’t own a home, can’t do anything of meaning, can’t start a family, all while foreigners get our tax money, jobs, families and houses. Yay!
I think it has more to do with being raised by screens.
I know a zoomer. I hooked him up with a job at my friends business. It's the trades and it paid well for someone his age. He was constantly showing up late. Didn't want to work OT, weekends, etc. He was constantly getting opportunities to make more money but seldom seized it. And he would still complain about not having money. Maybe he's the exception. But I'm thinking their laziness and disinterest is a feature not a side effect.
Money for what?
For whatever. Why get a job if you aren't going to do the job? Why do a money making thing of you aren't going to make as much money as possible?
It would be like taking a class with no intention of showing up or learning anything.
Man how old are you?
Late 30s.
How old are you?
Gen Z. I can't explain it to you if you dont already get it.
I've got some theories.
Music genres in top popular spots generally have 1-2 gen lifespan. And then it's kept in stasis by the people who experienced it when they were 14-24, then their tastes freeze.
Funk died, Punk died, Disco died, grunge died, emo died, Rap is finally dying.
As they die, they can spawn subgenres and subtypes that if they become popular enough, replace the old and give it a few more years or even a whole 2nd run, but the genre as a whole is still doomed to eventual death. It's the way of the world. Rock had a few good waves maybe, or is it just such a broad term that we're looking at waves of essentially a different thing, like with pop. Either way, it's just that rock had it's time, that's all there is to it.
There's other patterns, the genres get gentrified by normies, corporatized, the old guard is chased out, the music itself gets sanitised for public consumption, then stops being cool (we're all familiar with that trend in media). At the same time, you get this pattern where there are niches doing the exact opposite, nasal gazing from up their own arses, just pushing weird technically complex stuff that is hard to listen-to without spending 3 years weaning yourself onto it and acquiring a taste for it, and it just keeps spiralling into further experimentation and complexity, they get artsy and pretensious about it. Which also gives it a bad name.
You're also seeing a massive streaming lead diversification in music. You can now easily go down whatever rabbit hole you want, while tv and radio are at an all time low. I want to go down some energetic dark-synth line or big-band stuff? I can, with almost no effort. And soon I'll be able to just generate it on demand. I don't like the sound of ai stuff atm, but it's what the young are hearing and being exposed to. Like with mp3s for us, the issues with that sound is what they end up actually liking, the general pop will probably like mushy lyrics and static in the high end that ai tends to make, while the more dedicated music fans will all each be off in their own little subgenres, far more than was possible before.
All the big old oak trees are dying, being replaced with a field of 1000 different shrubs, grasses and flowers.
Yeah I like pink floyd, because it's what my dad would always put on. And of the 2 tv channels and 4 (basically) radio channels, he'd have that stuff on. That's not a thing or a constraint anymore.
Also, the facebook phenomena. Grandma is on facebook, and it is associated with grandma and grandpa. Boomers are uncool, and so therefore is their music. How many are going to enjoy going to see AC/DC struggle around on stage today, next to more boomers as compared to some scene where it's all their same aged peers. Which is my final point, the live performances now, they aren't what they used to be.
You make a lot of good points, but on the whole I believe that garage bands in the new generation would still be creating killer rock if the gatekeepers (record label Jews) hadn't decided that the last ten years was the Decade of the Nigga on the male side and Electropop Homosexual on the female side. A lot of that stuff is just as unlistenable as the stuff you're talking about, but it's pushed by the gatekeepers.
Ever listened to the Arctic Monkeys? Those guys were lighting the world on fire in the 2010s. That's not that long ago. They've strayed from their style since then as bands usually do, but that's why people make new bands.
On AC/DC, you are probably right about the live shows. And like BandageBandolier said, there is a ceiling on popularity of retro stuff because kids want to own something fresh. Having said that, it seems like I've heard as much retro music being played as it's possible to hear.
Not the majority yet, whites are barely under a majority of current high school seniors and I think that's Gen Alpha.
Couple of points. Gen Z already graduated high school (or current seniors are the tail end of Gen Z), and whites just lost the majority of high school seniors this last year. So Gen Z should still be barely white.
Originally you said Hispanics are the majority. Not that it makes a huge difference, but they can't be the majority yet because of other non-white demos.
Music is for degenerates.
So tons of people in the Bible are degenerates?
Revelation describes music in heaven. You're calling heaven degenerate?
There is degenerate music. Music itself is not degenerate.
How is classical music where there's no lyrics whatsoever degenerate?
Typical of mohammedans to silence the beautiful things in the world.
You know whatever the topic brought up here, someone will pop up calling it degenerate or slop.
contrarian reaction slop.
It's why I like this place. The 4chan instinct to shit on the topic of every thread, no matter how beloved, is great. It helps defenders practice apologetics and it helps the contrarian practice theory of mind and alternative avenues of attack.
My dad was big into blues, but I always bounced off it when he tried to evangelize for it to my teenage self. I appreciate it more now, but I didn't really give it much of a chance until deep into the second half of my 20s.
I think in your teenage years you're always looking at the new stuff more favorably because with the new stuff there's room to stake a claim that it's "yours", rather than living in another generation's shadow. And that search for independence isn't a bad thing itself even if ot does lead to reinventing the wheel as a shitty square occasionally. Plus it's a means of staying relatable to your peers so to be bucking the trends there's an element of either embracing the sigma lifestyle or being extremely persuasive in your tastes.
Another thing that might be kind of hurting the appeal of rock specifically is teenage music taste tend to be start out pretty tacky and simplistic, but when people start recommending rock they start recommending classics from like the 60s, or super complex prog rock from the 80s 90s. Everyone has shit on the basic bitch pop-rock gateway drugs like Nickleback or U2 or Linkin Park so much that they don't get mentioned, so the easy listening stuff gets ignored and the taste never gets acquired.
Also it might have something to do generational zeitgeist, rock is supposed to be showy and egdy rebelling against the socially conservative eras, but that might seem rather quaint if not cringe by jaded Gen z who grew up with the internet in the gayest/liberal age, where the sjw weirdos already took the "edgy" aesthetics and the famous rock bands are old men saying the same boomer shits as the mainstream media. What is left to rebel against?
It's all rap.
My niece is 15 and likes the Beatles and Doors but she is pretty retro like I am. I am not aware of any current rock groups but I’m way out of the loop with music.
A local radio station played an alphabet promo and used The Beatles for "B". It had me thinking why the Fab Four got lumped in with all the other classic rock stuff from the 70s & 80s.
I was also daydreaming in the car how the Rock station from my youth was now Classic Rock without any real rebrand. I never actually hear any new releases or even anything from this decade on my commute. This is the same station that used to have a new release Top 20 that I used to try to record to make mix tapes on my tape deck.
This is what Gen Z is listening to.