What the fuck. There are several instances of Peach kissing Mario. Super Mario RPG, as an example of a very early one, from all the way back in 1996. There may even have been earlier ones, although none come to mind at the moment. They're basically retconning a 30-year old cannon.
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, the entire film is basically just shitting on the Chip N' Dale: Rescue Rangers cartoon and fandom like Disney does to everything else. Pairing Gadget up with Zipper was just one of many steps in the humiliation ritual because the writers damn well knew it would disgust and annoy the old cartoon's fans.
But on the other...the fandom has a really creepy and unhealthy obsession with Gadget. Supposedly, there's even a religion in Russia devoted to her! Which...does a lot to make me curb my sympathies.
The thing is, this is all part of a larger movement that has curbed how men feel inspired to pursue women, especially coupled with the militant feminist agitprop, and anti-marriage legal frameworks in the Anglosphere.
In a vacuum it's easy to laugh off this instance, or even chuckle at the 4Chan reactions, but it's actually indicative of a much broader and more sinister problem spawned from Cultivation Theory.
In this case, it's cultivating negative inferences toward childhood crushes or aspirational relationship goals has been a heavy-handed tactic from Hollywood for decades now.
Aspirational male heroes have been undermined or subverted (i.e., Indiana Jones, Luke Skywalker, etc.) while female characters have been corrupted or turned into a vehicle for anti-male propagation.
In this case, Gadget was known for being cute, friendly, inventive, productive, hard-working, and feminine, despite her tomboyish traits. She was an aspirational icon for what many young men should have sought out in a mate if they were looking for someone industrious and hardworking.
Subverting that concept is -- as this very thread title points out -- a demoralisation tactic on a subconscious level, and it's something that those in the 4chan thread consciously reacted to.
Because it's not about Gadget being buggered by a fly (bad as that may seem), but it's about the idea of what she represents being relegated to the whims of an insect. Someone smart, funny, cute, hardworking, and mechanically inclined, turned into a nesting egg for a fly.
Disney knew that people would then associate that imagery with their aspirational ideas of what Gadget represented in a mate. A deconstruction of that aspiration.
For the blokes at the age of thinking about finding someone in real life with Gadget's traits, it's going to be hard not to think about her being buggered by the fly. And in turn, creates the cognitive cyclical loop that there is no happy ending with attempting to find someone like that.
Keep in mind, even though it's a cartoon mouse, she's still anthropomorphic enough -- like Chip and Dale -- that she represents human qualities. So that's why in the thread the 4channers remarked why couldn't she have simply hooked up with Chip or Dale? As audiences would have vicariously seen that as a win for her and for the heroes. But dampening that outcome for Chip and Dale, also dampened that hope for the audience, and in turn, ruined the subconscious idealisations they had of Gadget.
TL;DR: Basically, more propaganda to ruin how people view relationships and the hopes of finding an ideal mate.
Great post, you explained that very well. Our minds ultimately operate on influences in -> influences out, whether on a subconscious or conscious level.
TL;DR for why everyone hates it: Said writing decision was generally considered to be completely stupid and clearly done for shock value, it reminded people of nasty hentai because Zipper is a fly and zoophilia because he was treated like a pet, Gadget was a waifu, and it seems to have origins in intersectional progressivism considering zipper has a black voice actor and Chip was ship teased with Gadget in the cartoon therefore making the whole thing reak of interracial cuckoldry, a fetish popular with the regressive left for political reasons.
Meh. Their fault for caring this much about a corporate franchise.
For the record, I never watched this either, but labeling everything "corporate" and then shitting on the people who care about it isn't great.
Yeah, this was predictable, but it's still like telling people they never should have cared about Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, or something. They'll get to everything eventually, and everyone had a childhood, and something they care about.
I'll never mock someone for having cared about something when they were young, and being upset about what the locusts have done to it.
It's not the people who watched Chip 'n Dale's fault that there are evil people out there who will fuck with everything we hold dear.
To channel a bit of cringe: as a nerd and a gamer, I stand with the Chip 'n Dale fans. They did absolutely nothing wrong. They watched cartoons as kids, and then watched the globohomo scum shit all over it. That's it. We've all been there.
Chip n dale, darkwing duck and ducktales were huge parts of my childhood viewing. The last ducktales was already shit with how much they tried to push lgbt into a kids show
People keep telling me that it was actually a good reboot, totally worthy of the Ducktales name!
...And I just look at how the show took what was clearly the original Darkwing Duck, made him that universe's version of Negaduck for wanting things to be like the original series, and then told me that they're just fans with their own vision and I should just give them a chance to make everything completely different! It doesn't exactly give me the confidence that they're going into this with the purest intentions.
Also, they made Burger Beagle skinny and have literally no character. Because jokes about gluttonous fat people are verboten in the current year. The past MUST be re-written at all costs.
They also racebent Fenton and Gosalyn. Because apparently, non-white people need freaking DUCK people to look like them in order to identify with them. DUCK PEOPLE!
I related to Fenton growing up because he was an utter goof who still stepped up to save the day, whether with the cool Gizmosuit or just by being a numbers savant. I didn't like him because he was "white." He was a duck!
Re-writing him to be a different character in all but name and still making him Gizmoduck is essentially killing the original character I loved and replacing him with an imposter. It's like it's intended to be demoralizing or something....
I guess I've adopted the only attitude that'll protect me form this kind of disillusionment. Call me jaded, or mature, but the solution is to stop caring about this stuff. Don't watch their garbage, don't give them money.
This is the only correct answer. Even this subreddit"board" has major Gell-Mann amnesia when it comes to corporate globohomo and the controlled demolition of once beloved childhood franchises.
This is from the movie from a few years ago and if I remember correctly the conceit was like Roger Rabbit the toons were actors on a show. So the fly didn't speak on the show, but in the movie he talks. It's all very meta.
That doesn't really make it better. I get that it justifies it... I don't even want to say "in-universe," because this is obviously some spiteful, perverted construction stapled on, not an actual continuation of the universe; "oh, they were all actors!" would be a sabotage in and of itself even were it not overshadowed by this atrocity—but it does justify it within the abomination of a movie they made.
It's still bad, though. If there were a Scooby Doo reboot where Daphne had a dozen half-human, half-dog abominations with Scooby, it wouldn't really matter how they framed it. It would be gross. This is the same thing.
Smile, applaud, ask for more, and hold back the tears as you try to one-up the other soy bugmen with how progressive you are for "enjoying" this garbage.
These people are evil. They quite literally sustain themselves on your suffering.
That's a tough one. I'm trying to be nice but you know what you have to do, right? Does it really make you happy to see anime boys and Disney everywhere? It's not too late to stop.
All they know how to do is to corrupt and destroy.
True and real.
Disney's last words before he died were a warning
Too bad his descendants didn't listen
LMAO.
That's pretty much the best one.
I can't pick a favorite but the Nickelback guy going "look at this photograph" of Gadget and her 42 kids just hits so hard hahahahaha
They won't make your waifu black this time... but they will make her hook up with an insect that was basically the family dog of the show.
Thanks Disney.
Blast from the past, considering Nintendo just cucked Mario and put him in the Princess' friend zone.
Only thing Mario ever wanted from Peach was her cake.
"Just"?
Super Mario Odyssey came out in 2017.
Or was there a more recent example of it?
Via twitter
What the fuck. There are several instances of Peach kissing Mario. Super Mario RPG, as an example of a very early one, from all the way back in 1996. There may even have been earlier ones, although none come to mind at the moment. They're basically retconning a 30-year old cannon.
All beloved lore in society's collective consciousness must be rewritten for The Message.
Oh, so thats why they're going after the roms.
I stopped believing in 'fun cute coincidence you arent supposed to think too much about'
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, the entire film is basically just shitting on the Chip N' Dale: Rescue Rangers cartoon and fandom like Disney does to everything else. Pairing Gadget up with Zipper was just one of many steps in the humiliation ritual because the writers damn well knew it would disgust and annoy the old cartoon's fans.
But on the other...the fandom has a really creepy and unhealthy obsession with Gadget. Supposedly, there's even a religion in Russia devoted to her! Which...does a lot to make me curb my sympathies.
Count Dankula's video on "Gadgetology"
Makes me want to see their faces.
Will I say "I knew it"?
Directed by: Akiva Schaffer
I'm not watching all 5 minutes of that but it's very funny. Fucking bug-slut.
I dont think even shippers are this spiteful.
The thing is, this is all part of a larger movement that has curbed how men feel inspired to pursue women, especially coupled with the militant feminist agitprop, and anti-marriage legal frameworks in the Anglosphere.
In a vacuum it's easy to laugh off this instance, or even chuckle at the 4Chan reactions, but it's actually indicative of a much broader and more sinister problem spawned from Cultivation Theory.
(a non-exhaustive example: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3963162/)
In this case, it's cultivating negative inferences toward childhood crushes or aspirational relationship goals has been a heavy-handed tactic from Hollywood for decades now.
Aspirational male heroes have been undermined or subverted (i.e., Indiana Jones, Luke Skywalker, etc.) while female characters have been corrupted or turned into a vehicle for anti-male propagation.
In this case, Gadget was known for being cute, friendly, inventive, productive, hard-working, and feminine, despite her tomboyish traits. She was an aspirational icon for what many young men should have sought out in a mate if they were looking for someone industrious and hardworking.
Subverting that concept is -- as this very thread title points out -- a demoralisation tactic on a subconscious level, and it's something that those in the 4chan thread consciously reacted to.
Because it's not about Gadget being buggered by a fly (bad as that may seem), but it's about the idea of what she represents being relegated to the whims of an insect. Someone smart, funny, cute, hardworking, and mechanically inclined, turned into a nesting egg for a fly.
Disney knew that people would then associate that imagery with their aspirational ideas of what Gadget represented in a mate. A deconstruction of that aspiration.
For the blokes at the age of thinking about finding someone in real life with Gadget's traits, it's going to be hard not to think about her being buggered by the fly. And in turn, creates the cognitive cyclical loop that there is no happy ending with attempting to find someone like that.
Keep in mind, even though it's a cartoon mouse, she's still anthropomorphic enough -- like Chip and Dale -- that she represents human qualities. So that's why in the thread the 4channers remarked why couldn't she have simply hooked up with Chip or Dale? As audiences would have vicariously seen that as a win for her and for the heroes. But dampening that outcome for Chip and Dale, also dampened that hope for the audience, and in turn, ruined the subconscious idealisations they had of Gadget.
TL;DR: Basically, more propaganda to ruin how people view relationships and the hopes of finding an ideal mate.
Great post, you explained that very well. Our minds ultimately operate on influences in -> influences out, whether on a subconscious or conscious level.
TL;DR for why everyone hates it: Said writing decision was generally considered to be completely stupid and clearly done for shock value, it reminded people of nasty hentai because Zipper is a fly and zoophilia because he was treated like a pet, Gadget was a waifu, and it seems to have origins in intersectional progressivism considering zipper has a black voice actor and Chip was ship teased with Gadget in the cartoon therefore making the whole thing reak of interracial cuckoldry, a fetish popular with the regressive left for political reasons.
Gadget is all about that big bug cock (the real BBC).
This actually makes some Japanese Hentai look comparatively normal. And this was a children's movie from Disney?
I never watched Chip n Dale, but apparently the fly was a pet that didn't even speak.
Meh. Their fault for caring this much about a corporate franchise.
For the record, I never watched this either, but labeling everything "corporate" and then shitting on the people who care about it isn't great.
Yeah, this was predictable, but it's still like telling people they never should have cared about Star Wars or Lord of the Rings, or something. They'll get to everything eventually, and everyone had a childhood, and something they care about.
I'll never mock someone for having cared about something when they were young, and being upset about what the locusts have done to it.
It's not the people who watched Chip 'n Dale's fault that there are evil people out there who will fuck with everything we hold dear.
To channel a bit of cringe: as a nerd and a gamer, I stand with the Chip 'n Dale fans. They did absolutely nothing wrong. They watched cartoons as kids, and then watched the globohomo scum shit all over it. That's it. We've all been there.
Chip n dale, darkwing duck and ducktales were huge parts of my childhood viewing. The last ducktales was already shit with how much they tried to push lgbt into a kids show
People keep telling me that it was actually a good reboot, totally worthy of the Ducktales name!
...And I just look at how the show took what was clearly the original Darkwing Duck, made him that universe's version of Negaduck for wanting things to be like the original series, and then told me that they're just fans with their own vision and I should just give them a chance to make everything completely different! It doesn't exactly give me the confidence that they're going into this with the purest intentions.
Also, they made Burger Beagle skinny and have literally no character. Because jokes about gluttonous fat people are verboten in the current year. The past MUST be re-written at all costs.
They also racebent Fenton and Gosalyn. Because apparently, non-white people need freaking DUCK people to look like them in order to identify with them. DUCK PEOPLE!
Double points for racebending another redhead.
I related to Fenton growing up because he was an utter goof who still stepped up to save the day, whether with the cool Gizmosuit or just by being a numbers savant. I didn't like him because he was "white." He was a duck!
Re-writing him to be a different character in all but name and still making him Gizmoduck is essentially killing the original character I loved and replacing him with an imposter. It's like it's intended to be demoralizing or something....
It identifies as your childhood, bigot. Now wax the balls.
It started off decent then spiralled hard
And also staples of my NES collection. Ducktales especially
I guess I've adopted the only attitude that'll protect me form this kind of disillusionment. Call me jaded, or mature, but the solution is to stop caring about this stuff. Don't watch their garbage, don't give them money.
This is the only correct answer. Even this
subreddit"board" has major Gell-Mann amnesia when it comes to corporate globohomo and the controlled demolition of once beloved childhood franchises.The past is over. Move on.
Move on to what? The future is over.
Time marches on, forever unceasing
Make your own stuff. Harder than it sounds, but if you can't, at least it's possible to support the people who are.
This is from the movie from a few years ago and if I remember correctly the conceit was like Roger Rabbit the toons were actors on a show. So the fly didn't speak on the show, but in the movie he talks. It's all very meta.
That doesn't really make it better. I get that it justifies it... I don't even want to say "in-universe," because this is obviously some spiteful, perverted construction stapled on, not an actual continuation of the universe; "oh, they were all actors!" would be a sabotage in and of itself even were it not overshadowed by this atrocity—but it does justify it within the abomination of a movie they made.
It's still bad, though. If there were a Scooby Doo reboot where Daphne had a dozen half-human, half-dog abominations with Scooby, it wouldn't really matter how they framed it. It would be gross. This is the same thing.
I was just explaining why the bug was talking.
You have to smile.
It's not enough that they defile that which you love.
It's not enough that they make you watch while they do it.
They want you to SMILE as you watch it happen.
They need to know they've WON.
They need to know you're broken.
Smile, applaud, ask for more, and hold back the tears as you try to one-up the other soy bugmen with how progressive you are for "enjoying" this garbage.
These people are evil. They quite literally sustain themselves on your suffering.
Does Kotaku mean men who like cartoons?
That's a tough one. I'm trying to be nice but you know what you have to do, right? Does it really make you happy to see anime boys and Disney everywhere? It's not too late to stop.
Try to be coherent instead of nice. Passive aggressiveness is gay and female
Damn, you got me. And that must mean that cartoons are cool and not gay. Fuck.
There's hope for you yet my nigga
Being "nice" is gay