Superman played second fiddle to his dog, gets called a bitch by Supergirl, and the Kryptonians were retconned into being 'evil' like the Viltrumite with that recording by Jor-El telling Kal to conquer Earth.
Were they all played by White actors? If so, that's probably the answer. I'm just guessing, though. I haven't watched it, and refuse to watch most Hollywood slop.
It's a message of hope, to remember what and who they were, for Superman to serve as a beacon of justice and above all else a plea to not use his great power to force his will on humanity.
Now compare to the Cavill Superman meeting his father scene.
A lot bleaker, it paints Krypton more as a technocratic dystopia, but it was still a message of hope, that Superman again acts as a beacon, not as a ruler.
Now, in this new one, the message of "conquer Earth and breed their women" was leaked by Lex Luthor on live TV, and there's glitches that make it seem like it was altered. So if there's a sequel it could very well be explained it's Fake News doctored by Luthor to turn the public against Superman, which is 100% something he would do. But that wasn't resolved in this movie, and all the shill geek sites are reporting it as matter of fact.
Interest in this movie was so low that they spent the last week trying to astroturf "MAGA outrage at Superman being an immigrant." No idea if that's actually what the movie is about, because like almost everyone else on the planet, I don't give two shits about this movie.
There's very little overlap between people who want Superman, and people who want James Gunn. For fucks sake, DC already tried this when they put Joss Whedon in charge of Justice League, and everyone thought it was shit. You'd think the acclaim the "Snyder cut" got (as undeserved as it was) would have clued them in, but nope.
The original Superman is certainly a model "immigrant"... assimilating to our culture, fighting for truth, justice and the American way, speaking English fluently, using his powers responsibly; and even in Clark Kent form you'd never catch him throwing a piece of trash on the ground, mooching off welfare or shitting all over the US talking about how great Krypton was.
The solution is so obvious it’s almost certainly maliciousness that they don’t do it. Make a hopeful Superman that saves the day and smiles, in a brightly lit movie. Make all the white characters white.
The /tv/ board on 4chan was awash with shills trying to stir up any kind of drama and interest in the film, even going as far as trying to claim a fandom was between Snyder fans and Gunn fans. Nobody actually gave a shit, however.
I absolutely fucking loved 300. Thought Watchmen was okay. Didn’t really care much about any of his other films and literally fell asleep in the theatre while Justice League was playing.
But I honestly lost all respect for the guy when he dissed Geeks and Gamers and tried to disavow after they’d raised $1Million for charity. What a piece of shit.
Watchmen was a lazy cop-out swapping the fake "alien" invasion for a fake Dr Manhattan attack instead. At that point in the story Manhattan was so detached from humanity pissing him off by claiming he was attacking the planet would not only be retarded but also blatantly obvious as a lie considering just how powerful he was. If he wanted to attack and destroy the planet he could. There wouldn't be anything left after.
The engineered/mutated "alien" psychic brain being teleported into a populated zone worked in the comic because it was literally alien enough in appearance to evoke primal fear just by itself, but the additional 1 shot psychic banshee cry that killed those nearby meant it could never then go on to do more and possibly give away it was a setup.
It's my understanding that if Snyder had great ideas, they were shot down by higher ups for being niche relative to budget and target audience. Just incompatible with the production company. The last great conventional superhero movies were the Dark Knight Trilogy and Ironman 1, before Hollywood went overt woke. Even with newer movies that happen to be less woke, the triple A media industry won't take creative risks anymore.
I have the Snyder cut of Justice League, and it is a thousand times better than the released version. More coherent, better paced, a much better movie overall.
I think if DC wanted to flesh out their universe, just give Snyder the franchise, and let him go nuts. He, at least, has a plan.
The part that made me memorably wince was when Wonder Woman gave the no-effort "you can be anything you want" platitude to that random school girl, during her intro hostage scene. Heck that whole sequence was narratively safe and unimaginative girl-bossing. I don't know if that differed in either cut.
Zach Snyder made Superman into a completely unvirtuous, unheroic monster with no regard for human life, because Zach Snyder is such an overgrown child that the idea of a hero with godlike powers who actually refrains from using them in order to protect those weaker than himself from the fallout is too mature a concept for him.
James Gunn made Superman into a whiny, inept beta simp who is constantly being upstaged by his girlfriend, his dog, his enemies, less powerful superheroes than himself and even the people he's supposed to be protecting, whose every moment of character development is undermined by a jokes, and who commands no respect from anybody despite having the power to crack the world in half if he wants to. Because James Gunn is such an overgrown child that he can't even take seriously the idea of a hero with godlike powers who has respect for and commands respect from people less powerful than himself.
The surface-level take is that Hollywood simply can't allow the comic-book Superman to exist because he is the embodiment of the idea of masculine heroism that they've dedicated themselves to undermining and destroying. But really, I think they just can't understand him because they're all children. The kind of perpetual teenagers who are so self-absorbed that the selfless virtue of traditional masculinity seems simplistic and infantile to them, and who either refuse to take it seriously (Gunn) or who, like Snyder, take themselves so seriously that they mistake teenaged cynicism for adult wisdom, adolescent narcissism for adult confidence, and the childish desire to be taken seriously by adults for actual maturity.
Superman seems childishly silly to guys like that because they never grew up.
I think it's noteworthy that both took away the American Way idealism of the original. I'm not saying he was ever a symbol of American Exceptionalism, but he was a symbol of the goodness of the average American. That only someone as wholesome as a Midwestern boy from Kansas would be able to respect his immense powers.
Superhero movies need to die. They got big all the way back in the 00s and have been done to death for over a decade now. Something, anything needs to take their place. At this point, I only go to the theater for anime films and the very odd action flick. Everything else is a reboot, remake or the tenth sequel in a series that should have ended a long time ago (like the fast and furious films, which should have ended when Paul Walker died).
Ghost in the Shell, but the moral quandary of what makes someone human in an increasingly cyberized and digital world is just a shitty allegory for progressiveism. Metroid, but Samus is an obnoxious quipping girlboss who saves the metroids because they're just a mistreated race looking for a new home. Animal Crossing, but it's just pushing race-mixing and immigration. Attack on Titan, but it's even more 'war bad, revenge bad, nationalism bad' than the anime was. Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but Yang Wen-li is unequivocally good, has no philosophizing discussions with anyone, and Reinhard von Lohengramm is just Space Hitler with no redeeming qualities who mistreats his own men all the time in cartoonish fashion.
If Hollywood has become good at anything over the years, it's taking a story and characters that people like and twisting and torturing them into grotesque disfigurements of what made anyone like them in the first place, with a heaping helping of completely (often maliciously) misunderstanding motivations and inspirations dumped on top.
Going to see it Monday. Monday nights have become the night I go to the theater which I rarely do. No crowds, and since I work from home the next day I can stay out later. I’ve heard some very mixed reviews so far. Either way I’m going to the comic book store today to buy some older Superman comics
I watched it, the chicks were cute, the hero's we good guys and the bad guys weren't "secretly misunderstood and akshuallay good".
It's an action flick for teenage boys, imo. It's less woke than so much crap, and as far as I can remember, no gay shit. It's not something I may rewatch unless my wife wants to, but she loves low brow turn off your brain shit.
Also, Supergirl was drunk as fuck from getting drunk on a red-sun planet when she was running her mouth and called him bitch, and was appropriately portrayed as a drunken, inmature ass.
Ma and Pa Kent were redneck farmers who loved their son unequivocally, and he loves them for making him superman, not the Kryptonians. Honestly I'm not invested that much in a jewish power fantasy hero (which Superman was created as) so I don't care if they used the Invincible plot to give him a conflicting back story.
Honestly I appreciate his "godly" power was toned down a bit, so there was some actual fight to the story. I liked Hawk girl, at least she wasn't black. Mr. Terrific was always a nog and irritatingly up his own ass so idc, but I do like that actor. Nathan Fillion's wig was hilariously bad, and his ridiculous pot belly was chef's kiss.
Nothing I'd recomend my adult friends run out and see, but honestly it could have been another dark/gritty/BORING snyder slop.
Hated Synders Supes. Superman can be tough and decisive but above all he should always be a symbol of hope. That's why Miracle Monday is one of the greatest Superman stories ever written. He is the embodiment of the best of humanity but with godlike abilities. A simple American farm boy that treats everyone as a neighbor that needs help
Superman played second fiddle to his dog, gets called a bitch by Supergirl, and the Kryptonians were retconned into being 'evil' like the Viltrumite with that recording by Jor-El telling Kal to conquer Earth.
Wow
Yeah the evil Kryptonians seems a strange direction to take.
Were they all played by White actors? If so, that's probably the answer. I'm just guessing, though. I haven't watched it, and refuse to watch most Hollywood slop.
It's just a recording of the parents. They're the only Kryptonians shown
They did something similar with My Adventures With Superman, as if making Jimmy Olson black wasn't bad enough.
To say nothing of the gay robot and his gorilla lover.
The Brain and Monsieur Mallah are often depicted like that.
Lawl.. was supergirl getting dicked by jimmy?
Lois and Jimmy were high-fiving each other in the hospital after their pelvis reconstruction surgery.
Well that's lazy as shit, which shouldn't be surprising since it's James Gunn.
Just your typical modern language twisting everything so that whitey is a ‘colonizer’ and uses colonizing language.
It goes a bit further than that. Compare to the Reeves Superman meeting the recording of his father.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ujuOikKgAE
It's a message of hope, to remember what and who they were, for Superman to serve as a beacon of justice and above all else a plea to not use his great power to force his will on humanity.
Now compare to the Cavill Superman meeting his father scene.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTF2Mqr5i9c
A lot bleaker, it paints Krypton more as a technocratic dystopia, but it was still a message of hope, that Superman again acts as a beacon, not as a ruler.
Now, in this new one, the message of "conquer Earth and breed their women" was leaked by Lex Luthor on live TV, and there's glitches that make it seem like it was altered. So if there's a sequel it could very well be explained it's Fake News doctored by Luthor to turn the public against Superman, which is 100% something he would do. But that wasn't resolved in this movie, and all the shill geek sites are reporting it as matter of fact.
Interest in this movie was so low that they spent the last week trying to astroturf "MAGA outrage at Superman being an immigrant." No idea if that's actually what the movie is about, because like almost everyone else on the planet, I don't give two shits about this movie.
There's very little overlap between people who want Superman, and people who want James Gunn. For fucks sake, DC already tried this when they put Joss Whedon in charge of Justice League, and everyone thought it was shit. You'd think the acclaim the "Snyder cut" got (as undeserved as it was) would have clued them in, but nope.
The original Superman is certainly a model "immigrant"... assimilating to our culture, fighting for truth, justice and the American way, speaking English fluently, using his powers responsibly; and even in Clark Kent form you'd never catch him throwing a piece of trash on the ground, mooching off welfare or shitting all over the US talking about how great Krypton was.
He’s not even an immigrant, he’s a foundling adopted by a White American couple.
just the space version of a baby left on the doorstep
They technically falsified his birth records and citizenship and gave him a fake identity
The solution is so obvious it’s almost certainly maliciousness that they don’t do it. Make a hopeful Superman that saves the day and smiles, in a brightly lit movie. Make all the white characters white.
Look up who his creators were and why they made him an "immigrant"
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I think this version of Superman is certainly trying to make a more optimistic Superman.
The movie was exactly that. I'd definitely suggest giving it a watch if you're a Superman fan
The /tv/ board on 4chan was awash with shills trying to stir up any kind of drama and interest in the film, even going as far as trying to claim a fandom was between Snyder fans and Gunn fans. Nobody actually gave a shit, however.
I like Snyder but I don't think I've liked any of his stuff for a while. I think he's kinda passe now
I absolutely fucking loved 300. Thought Watchmen was okay. Didn’t really care much about any of his other films and literally fell asleep in the theatre while Justice League was playing.
But I honestly lost all respect for the guy when he dissed Geeks and Gamers and tried to disavow after they’d raised $1Million for charity. What a piece of shit.
His name is meaningless to me now
Watchmen was a lazy cop-out swapping the fake "alien" invasion for a fake Dr Manhattan attack instead. At that point in the story Manhattan was so detached from humanity pissing him off by claiming he was attacking the planet would not only be retarded but also blatantly obvious as a lie considering just how powerful he was. If he wanted to attack and destroy the planet he could. There wouldn't be anything left after.
The engineered/mutated "alien" psychic brain being teleported into a populated zone worked in the comic because it was literally alien enough in appearance to evoke primal fear just by itself, but the additional 1 shot psychic banshee cry that killed those nearby meant it could never then go on to do more and possibly give away it was a setup.
This sounds like a good criticism from someone who had read the novel.
But someone who had only watched the movie wouldn't necessarily have this insight into the mental state and/or power level of Manhattan.
I went into the movie with very little knowledge of the novel and it didn't seem unreasonable to me.
It's my understanding that if Snyder had great ideas, they were shot down by higher ups for being niche relative to budget and target audience. Just incompatible with the production company. The last great conventional superhero movies were the Dark Knight Trilogy and Ironman 1, before Hollywood went overt woke. Even with newer movies that happen to be less woke, the triple A media industry won't take creative risks anymore.
I have the Snyder cut of Justice League, and it is a thousand times better than the released version. More coherent, better paced, a much better movie overall.
I think if DC wanted to flesh out their universe, just give Snyder the franchise, and let him go nuts. He, at least, has a plan.
The part that made me memorably wince was when Wonder Woman gave the no-effort "you can be anything you want" platitude to that random school girl, during her intro hostage scene. Heck that whole sequence was narratively safe and unimaginative girl-bossing. I don't know if that differed in either cut.
Random human schoolgirl: "Can I be like you?"
Literal goddess raised from birth to be fight and empowered with magical artifacts created by another god: "yoU cAn"
She meant to imply that she too could become a BDSM-themed OnlyFans model, rofl.
Snyder isn't a blue ribbon director by any means, but he can make entertaining movies at least.
Zach Snyder made Superman into a completely unvirtuous, unheroic monster with no regard for human life, because Zach Snyder is such an overgrown child that the idea of a hero with godlike powers who actually refrains from using them in order to protect those weaker than himself from the fallout is too mature a concept for him.
James Gunn made Superman into a whiny, inept beta simp who is constantly being upstaged by his girlfriend, his dog, his enemies, less powerful superheroes than himself and even the people he's supposed to be protecting, whose every moment of character development is undermined by a jokes, and who commands no respect from anybody despite having the power to crack the world in half if he wants to. Because James Gunn is such an overgrown child that he can't even take seriously the idea of a hero with godlike powers who has respect for and commands respect from people less powerful than himself.
The surface-level take is that Hollywood simply can't allow the comic-book Superman to exist because he is the embodiment of the idea of masculine heroism that they've dedicated themselves to undermining and destroying. But really, I think they just can't understand him because they're all children. The kind of perpetual teenagers who are so self-absorbed that the selfless virtue of traditional masculinity seems simplistic and infantile to them, and who either refuse to take it seriously (Gunn) or who, like Snyder, take themselves so seriously that they mistake teenaged cynicism for adult wisdom, adolescent narcissism for adult confidence, and the childish desire to be taken seriously by adults for actual maturity.
Superman seems childishly silly to guys like that because they never grew up.
I think it's noteworthy that both took away the American Way idealism of the original. I'm not saying he was ever a symbol of American Exceptionalism, but he was a symbol of the goodness of the average American. That only someone as wholesome as a Midwestern boy from Kansas would be able to respect his immense powers.
Pow, right in the breadbasket.
The Snyder Superman is truly an alien and above concerning himself with silly things like emotions or the value of human life.
Why the fuck would I watch utter slop made by a pedophile who wants me dead?
Superhero movies need to die. They got big all the way back in the 00s and have been done to death for over a decade now. Something, anything needs to take their place. At this point, I only go to the theater for anime films and the very odd action flick. Everything else is a reboot, remake or the tenth sequel in a series that should have ended a long time ago (like the fast and furious films, which should have ended when Paul Walker died).
Be careful what you wish for. The last thing I want to see is Hollywood start widely doing film adaptations of manga, anime, and video games.
Ghost in the Shell, but the moral quandary of what makes someone human in an increasingly cyberized and digital world is just a shitty allegory for progressiveism. Metroid, but Samus is an obnoxious quipping girlboss who saves the metroids because they're just a mistreated race looking for a new home. Animal Crossing, but it's just pushing race-mixing and immigration. Attack on Titan, but it's even more 'war bad, revenge bad, nationalism bad' than the anime was. Legend of the Galactic Heroes, but Yang Wen-li is unequivocally good, has no philosophizing discussions with anyone, and Reinhard von Lohengramm is just Space Hitler with no redeeming qualities who mistreats his own men all the time in cartoonish fashion.
If Hollywood has become good at anything over the years, it's taking a story and characters that people like and twisting and torturing them into grotesque disfigurements of what made anyone like them in the first place, with a heaping helping of completely (often maliciously) misunderstanding motivations and inspirations dumped on top.
I wanted to see it but I’ve heard some mixed things. Oh well saves me a few bucks.
Going to see it Monday. Monday nights have become the night I go to the theater which I rarely do. No crowds, and since I work from home the next day I can stay out later. I’ve heard some very mixed reviews so far. Either way I’m going to the comic book store today to buy some older Superman comics
It was actually really good
Thanks! And I used the movie release as an excuse to buy even more Superman comics lol
I just bought some classic Superman and batman from a bargain store
Classic as in bronze or silver age?
Closer to Silver
I watched it, the chicks were cute, the hero's we good guys and the bad guys weren't "secretly misunderstood and akshuallay good".
It's an action flick for teenage boys, imo. It's less woke than so much crap, and as far as I can remember, no gay shit. It's not something I may rewatch unless my wife wants to, but she loves low brow turn off your brain shit.
Also, Supergirl was drunk as fuck from getting drunk on a red-sun planet when she was running her mouth and called him bitch, and was appropriately portrayed as a drunken, inmature ass.
Ma and Pa Kent were redneck farmers who loved their son unequivocally, and he loves them for making him superman, not the Kryptonians. Honestly I'm not invested that much in a jewish power fantasy hero (which Superman was created as) so I don't care if they used the Invincible plot to give him a conflicting back story.
Honestly I appreciate his "godly" power was toned down a bit, so there was some actual fight to the story. I liked Hawk girl, at least she wasn't black. Mr. Terrific was always a nog and irritatingly up his own ass so idc, but I do like that actor. Nathan Fillion's wig was hilariously bad, and his ridiculous pot belly was chef's kiss.
Nothing I'd recomend my adult friends run out and see, but honestly it could have been another dark/gritty/BORING snyder slop.
Like most super hero movies post infinity war, Superman looks cheap. The cgi looks straight up bad.
It's boring as hell.
Okay I just watched it. The movies an 8/10. There was some stupid shit in it like the change to the kryptonians but it's quintessential Superman
Just for some context, how much did you like previous Superman movies? Did you like Snyder's Supes?
Hated Synders Supes. Superman can be tough and decisive but above all he should always be a symbol of hope. That's why Miracle Monday is one of the greatest Superman stories ever written. He is the embodiment of the best of humanity but with godlike abilities. A simple American farm boy that treats everyone as a neighbor that needs help