Joker 2: Omelette du Fromage
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Reminder Harley rapes Nightwing in the Batman & Harley Quinn movie and it's played for laughs
That's not even the only time it happened to Dick. Additionally Talia raped Bruce originally before DC tried to retcon Damian's conception. It's a recurring theme.
I wonder how quickly social media would explode were a female character to suffer brain damage, amnesia, and then be bed by the latest writers "self insert", pun most definitely intended, since that's precisely what happened when KGBeast shot Nightwing in the head leading to the abomination of a story run that was Ric Grayson and his dating the brand new barrista oc that I don't think has been seen ever again since the run ended.
Technically because of the amnesia it means the actual character can't consent and as Wonder Woman 1984 showed when Diana slept with Steve Trevor inhabiting some random guys body this sort of thing does occasionally get picked up on.
When your ideology is so dominant that major studios will give you a hundred million dollars just to humiliate and scold people on the internet for not understanding your character was meant to insult them.
I didn't watch it, does Harley Quinn actually rape The Joker in the movie?
No, the prison guards do. Then the Joker gives up and stops being the Joker. Then Harley dumps him. Then a fellow inmate kills him. Then the inmate becomes Heath Ledger's Joker.
Is that accurate? The last part? Some other inmate picks up his identity and becomes the Joker villain?
Jesus Christ…
not op, just read the wiki it's pretty much what he said. Except I don't think it's heath ledger joker and Harvey Dent loses half his face in this movie while in DK he loses it in a trap from Joker.
That's fucking retarded.
You make the persona sound like some sort of spiritual entity that jumps from host to host. ... which kind of weirdly works given how fucking varied he's been over the years. You're on to something.
It’s actually a terrible idea because it will always be used to transfer the mantle of popular heroes and villains from straight white male characters to female, black, trans, and gay characters. Look at the MCU. Look at Spider-Man. Every hero has been race or gender swapped. Because the “idea” is all that matters, not the person behind it.
The multiverse is the same bullshit. “What if all of these characters were black, female, gay, wouldn’t that be interesting?”
DC has done it too. Alan Scott, the JSA Green Lantern was written as gay in an alternate world story and then suddenly the main version was also gay.
Awesome concept idea and yet also boring as fuck for what is supposed to be the best "grounded" league or super heroes and villains out there.
I dislike super heroes and villains using the alias as a enigma, symbol thing. Bruce Wayne is what makes Batman and Frank Castle makes the punisher. It's the person that makes the hero/villain, not the costume.
It was already made "canon" for a while years ago in Batman Comics that the Joker isn't a single entity but three active men who all make up the different "types" like Gangster, Comedian, and Clown that all operate on their own and can't keep straight who did what.
It honestly works in that sense, simply because of how completely contradictory some portrayals are from each other over time depending on "what's popular" right now and how much new writers love to hard retcon literally everything about him.
So of course it got retconned later into "Joker just has Multiple Personality Disorder" which is somehow less grounded and makes less sense.
What a mess lol.
I mean, not even a decade prior they had him cut his own face off, then wear it as a mask for all of a single storyarc, and then just retconned that out entirely too.
Joker goes well beyond comic books natural issue with canon and consistency and is basically a new character with every new writer anyway.
Worth a watch? Reviewers I trust say 'no'.
https://i.imgur.com/cn6sfGh.jpeg
Heath Ledger's joker was the last movie he made without fill ins. Here's all the people that have played joker if anyone cares.
https://screenrant.com/joker-movie-tv-show-every-actor-batman/
Most obviously AI comment ever
Thankyou. Thought I was having a stroke because I could not figure wtf he was going on about.
Joker wasn't my thing. But, reading drama happens to be. Screenrant is one of my favs. I post it often in c/startrek.
Robots don't have genders. The commentator is a T-2000.
Wrong. Try again.
He gives up on his persona and immediately gets raped and stabbed for doing so.
I wonder what the director meant by that.
In fairness, Ms. Quinzell might go with that, and Ivy is such a fucking psycho-man-hater that she might too.
Harley Quinn has only had any lesbian suggestion to her character since the same hacks that ruined it in all the other ways started writing. I mean, take out her terribly executed, unnecessary, generally awful “redemption” arc(s), and the actual character is defined by her romantic and sexual obsession with a man. I think even Poison Ivy used to be less “feminist man hater” and more “pure eco nut.” Doesn’t she flirt with Batman/find him attractive in a lot of her pre-modern/woke appearances?
She had plenty of flirtatious scenes with Ivy in the same series she was introduced in. But, as you said, she also flirts with Batman a few times too in that same series. It was less a "clearly she is into this person seriously" and more of a "there is still a girl under the costume craving affection/kindness."
The problem with her is that they never actually ironed out her character, so it has never been actually solidified to prevent her from being changed so much. So a couple of flirty fanservice scenes with Ivy during a random teamup becomes "full lesbian."
They still haven't decided if she slept with her professors to get through school, was a hard working if dumb girl doing her best to escape being white trash, or an actually smart person who did it on her own and the Joker took advantage of to ruin. All of which massively change everything about where you can take her from there.
Harley’s redemption arc doesn’t make any sense because her “power” is just being criminally insane. She doesn’t have any real powers that would lend themselves to overcoming other bad guys. A “redeemed” Harley Quinn is just an upstanding citizen.
It’s like how having the power of audacity empowers you to be an asshole. Fixing you doesn’t turn you into a super hero. It just means you’re not an asshole anymore.
This is why good guy Harley Quinn functions mostly like a cartoon character. Otherwise there’s no meaningful advantage in wielding a baseball bat against evil Superman.
I'm just saying that Harley Quinn is literally a lunatic that might actually rape someone.
I think Ivy was always pretty much both. She's not a lesbian, and she does hate men, but she hates all people. She's a femme fatal that likes to manipulate men with sexuality because she wants to kill them or enslave them.
She's actually quite evil.
Ivy is also sterile which fucks her up quite a bit.
That's why I actually didn't originally hate the idea of Harley and Ivy.
Ivy's a seductress who would wouldn't think twice about using that tactic towards any human because that's her go-to. Harley's damaged, dependent and if the Joker isn't around would emotionally latch on to someone showing her superficial affection to fill that void. The dynamic actually works.
Where they fucked up is trying to portray that as some girl-power healthy relationship instead of the toxic and exploitative thing that it would be.
Yeah, the unfortunate truth is that someone like Ivy would probably end up physically or sexually abusing someone like Harley, just as much as the joker did. I feel like the Joker liked Harley and got something out of their relationship, even if he was an evil abuser. I don't think Ivy would have gotten anything out of her. She's, frankly, too malevolent.
On a full side note, I think one character that's only done occasionally right is Killer Croc. I like the idea that, really, he's kind of a standard, low IQ, violent criminal. Just in a Crocodile like form. Like, if he wasn't a mutant, he'd just be another violent, street-urchin, thug on the streets of Gotham. He's like a lot of criminals: he's a pissed off, emotionally unstable, resentful, violent, mess who really contributes more to his own suffering than anyone else.
Classic Ivy would have been MUCH more into Frank (the Audrey II clone) than Harley.
suffice to say, sjw writers have completely fucked up the batman universe
Reminder, this is from a kid's cartoon.
This is why Lady Gaga was picked. She went crazy making House of Gucci. Seems like some betting going on.
Actually... Poison Ivy was not a man-hater, and they explored this in one of the episodes when she got out of Arkham and made a family for herself. Turns out, beyond all the trauma and hate, she just wanted a loving husband and child, but in the end, they weren't real and she was just using them as a coping mechanism for being a lonely plant lady... which is kind of funny.
I literally just watched 'House and Garden' last night in my rewatch/actual full watch of the DCAU. Reading some of the trivia about that episode the wrtier was surprised at what Fox allowed to be included. Keep in mind this originally came out in 1994, 30 years ago, and was/is still a cartoon aimed at children.
Yep. I remember watching that episode when it aired -- that one and the one where Two-Face kidnapped "Harvey" (himself) are two that really stuck with me given how they explored the pathology of coping with trauma in the only ways that seemed to make sense for perpetually broken people.
I also usually refer people to that episode with Ivy to bury the misguided notion that Poison Ivy was "always a lesbian", because she obviously was not.
Batman was the hero we deserved, but not the hero we needed:
https://mangadex.org/title/72e595ca-bdfb-4608-9320-b2fbdb349719/the-rapeman
I read the first chapter out of curiosity, what a bizarre hero. Thank you, Japan.