Terminator 2 came out in 1991, even if we generously assume the only fans of that movie were 18 in 1991, and there weren't 10 year olds watching classic action flicks in the early 2000s that loved it.
Even then the OG Fans who saw terminator 2 in theatres are 51 now. And this 70 year old hack is saying they "are all either dead, retired, crippled, or have dementia,”, what an absolutely desperate cope.
Everybody watched and still watches the classic action fics.
I was talking to a girl I met in south america in her early 20s about her favorite action movie. She wasn't even born when T2 came out, and is in a whole other fucking continent.
T2, The Matrix, Die Hard, etc.. All the usual suspects a 50 year old in the USA would say, and she specified not the sequels. It's not just old folks biases or a fad to call the new stuff shit. The old movies are objectively good, the new movies are objectively bad.
Nobody who watched terminator 1 and 2, movies about how important it is to protect John Connor because he will lead the resistance, wanted to see a sequel that kills John Connor and has his mom suddenly bitter that her son would save the world instead of her.
“Hurr durr I hope the sequel is actually about a brown girl that saves humanity instead of this lame white guy that was built up for two movies and has a stable time loop to insure he is born. hurr durr hurr due durr hurr”
There was nothing in the movie for a new audience.
That's the problem Jimmy. There is no "new" audience. It's a load of crap. A massive cope for a washed-up has-been that forgot what made his movies good.
Again, there is no "new" audience. It doesn't exist. And the reason nobody went to see Dark Fate was because you rode on false nostalgia and everyone, fan or otherwise, could smell that turd from a mile away. Having prior leads make cameos isn't a selling point. You still need substance.
It really is revealing just how clueless Hollywood is about their expected zoomer audience, since I'm certain that's who they keep assuming is their "new" audience.
From what I've been able to tell, zoomers are generally not eating up most of their slop, since they're quite aware that there's already 30-40 years worth of perfectly good media they can enjoy, that's of better quality and still reasonably fresh and new to them.
Curiously, the only ones who seem to be regularly eating up their slop are a certain subset of braindead millennials who desperately cling to "the newest thing" like a bunch of drug addicts waiting for their next fix.
Zoomers aren’t avoiding a bad movie because of their discerning tastes. Zoomers are physically incapable of sitting through any movie because they rotted their brains with tiktok.
Eh, I'll admit that many zoomers have something of an ADHD-likeness to how they approach a lot of things, and their sense of humor (and taste) sometimes eludes me. But I think some are managing quite well in spite of the hyperactive age of media and technology that they've had to grow up in.
Literally everyone I know under 30 just says "I'll wait for it to come out on streaming." To a point where they don't even worry about spoilers because basically everyone does that.
And by the time it hits streaming, its already failed and lost money.
What a revealing comment. I wonder whether he's been gaslighted into thinking the new audience exists or whether he's fully on board with the propaganda.
Forget the androgynous Mary Sue for a second, the thing that bothered me most was how Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) turned into an unbearable female supremacist and shat all over own legacy. This movie undermined the first two masterpieces.
The II, although enjoyable, definetly pushed the ''step aside, rugged Girlboss super mom is here'' thing too much.
Though next to Arnold Shwarzenegger's Terminator, at least Sarah Connor wasen't the most masculine character and a woman was still allowed to be hot and White.
To be fair, on the other side - I saw T2 in the theaters. Incredible, still have found memories of it.
That moment, at the time, was met with the understanding that it was just an emotional women, venting on surface level shit they have no understanding of the deeper issues within it. She WAS crazy after all, even if they was correct in saying what had happened, what had happened had flipped her lid and go cray-cray.
The kid even had to snap her out of her emotional crap a few seconds after that, if I am not mistaken.
I'd be mad too if I peaked creatively 33 years ago and have yet to make something as cool as a sequel to a low budget film made in 84.
The disparaging line aside, he has a point. The people who did enjoy T1 and T2 have spoken time and time again with the other sequels that also didn't work.
The "new audience" isn't there because they don't go to movies from franchises they know are shitty. They were not around for T1 and T2, back when you had creativity. You let them destroy something you created for decades before you stepped in and put a stop to it. Some of then had redeeming qualities, but if you take out the terminator name from the title, it's just a man versus machine movie.
And that stop you did by the way, was just retreading the parts from the sequels no one really likes, and no one wanted to see. The killing of John Connor was a slap in the face. Right in front of his mother, with Arnie less than 10 feet away. The whole reason for the first two movies just didn't matter to you anymore.
You're telling me the mother who was in the process of breaking herself out of Tuscadero, who didn't actually need saving, who knows exactly how to kill a terminator, with her head on a swivel, who could sniff out a play like that coming before it happened ... wasn't careful with her son?
Come on now. You shat on your own legacy too there pal. Remember, you're the one that added No Fate For What We Make.
Sure, but you wouldn't know for certain from the promo materials. The pictures I saw of her could have been very easily confused with a 15 year old boy.
Which was the point. This was still long ago enough that you couldn't go full tranny yet, so they were riding high on the "nonbinary/androgynous" train in basically everything.
I really don't believe it. No one really remembers the movies, the parks are doing well enough, but the movies don't seem like they're actually that popular.
They are almost entirely spectacle movies. You can't really talk in depth about how a cool CGI Imax scene made you feel, so it never warrants discussion and that shuttles it quickly out of the public mind.
Cameron made some good films in the past, but he never capitalized on that clout to make more franchises. Everyone recognizes his name, but he only has a short list of films compared to some other big directors.
I think he lives off of 3 - Shitanic, Terminator and Avatar. He's a milquetoast boring populist. T2 will always be his peak edit: Oh and Aliens is pretty fucking good. He really peaked in 80s/90s and has been shit ever since
Terminator 2 came out in 1991, even if we generously assume the only fans of that movie were 18 in 1991, and there weren't 10 year olds watching classic action flicks in the early 2000s that loved it.
Even then the OG Fans who saw terminator 2 in theatres are 51 now. And this 70 year old hack is saying they "are all either dead, retired, crippled, or have dementia,”, what an absolutely desperate cope.
Not to mention Cameron himself is still around and kicking. Does he think he is so different from his audience
probably yes.
he is an enlightened Hollywood god afterall. filthy peasants can't hope to live as long as he has!
You're right. It was a dumb question by me
Everybody watched and still watches the classic action fics.
I was talking to a girl I met in south america in her early 20s about her favorite action movie. She wasn't even born when T2 came out, and is in a whole other fucking continent.
T2, The Matrix, Die Hard, etc.. All the usual suspects a 50 year old in the USA would say, and she specified not the sequels. It's not just old folks biases or a fad to call the new stuff shit. The old movies are objectively good, the new movies are objectively bad.
Nobody who watched terminator 1 and 2, movies about how important it is to protect John Connor because he will lead the resistance, wanted to see a sequel that kills John Connor and has his mom suddenly bitter that her son would save the world instead of her.
“Hurr durr I hope the sequel is actually about a brown girl that saves humanity instead of this lame white guy that was built up for two movies and has a stable time loop to insure he is born. hurr durr hurr due durr hurr”
For 5 movies at that point if you include 3, resistance and genisys
Like he said, two movies.
I never watched the Dark Fate, but I consider Terminator 2 one of the greatest American films, and your synopsis offends me.
This is insulting on so many levels I can barely speak.
That's the problem Jimmy. There is no "new" audience. It's a load of crap. A massive cope for a washed-up has-been that forgot what made his movies good.
Again, there is no "new" audience. It doesn't exist. And the reason nobody went to see Dark Fate was because you rode on false nostalgia and everyone, fan or otherwise, could smell that turd from a mile away. Having prior leads make cameos isn't a selling point. You still need substance.
It really is revealing just how clueless Hollywood is about their expected zoomer audience, since I'm certain that's who they keep assuming is their "new" audience.
From what I've been able to tell, zoomers are generally not eating up most of their slop, since they're quite aware that there's already 30-40 years worth of perfectly good media they can enjoy, that's of better quality and still reasonably fresh and new to them.
Curiously, the only ones who seem to be regularly eating up their slop are a certain subset of braindead millennials who desperately cling to "the newest thing" like a bunch of drug addicts waiting for their next fix.
Zoomers aren’t avoiding a bad movie because of their discerning tastes. Zoomers are physically incapable of sitting through any movie because they rotted their brains with tiktok.
This is an accurate take.
Just a glance at what they find funny through Internet memes shows their rotted-brain view of comedy as well
Eh, I'll admit that many zoomers have something of an ADHD-likeness to how they approach a lot of things, and their sense of humor (and taste) sometimes eludes me. But I think some are managing quite well in spite of the hyperactive age of media and technology that they've had to grow up in.
Literally everyone I know under 30 just says "I'll wait for it to come out on streaming." To a point where they don't even worry about spoilers because basically everyone does that.
And by the time it hits streaming, its already failed and lost money.
What a revealing comment. I wonder whether he's been gaslighted into thinking the new audience exists or whether he's fully on board with the propaganda.
It's absolutely gaslighting.
Convincing people that Zoomers and Alpha are Ultra-Leftist versions of Millenials is a trillion dollar industry.
Seriously, Millenials are worse than the Boomers.
Was that the one where they killed John Connor in the first five minutes and replaced him with a generic magic brown girl?
Can't imagine why it failed, James.
My interest for the movie went from ''low'' to ''negative''.
Forget the androgynous Mary Sue for a second, the thing that bothered me most was how Sarah Connor (Linda Hamilton) turned into an unbearable female supremacist and shat all over own legacy. This movie undermined the first two masterpieces.
To be fair the female supremacist thing was in T2, remember her tantrum at Dyson's house about men not being able to create only destroy.
The II, although enjoyable, definetly pushed the ''step aside, rugged Girlboss super mom is here'' thing too much.
Though next to Arnold Shwarzenegger's Terminator, at least Sarah Connor wasen't the most masculine character and a woman was still allowed to be hot and White.
To be fair, on the other side - I saw T2 in the theaters. Incredible, still have found memories of it.
That moment, at the time, was met with the understanding that it was just an emotional women, venting on surface level shit they have no understanding of the deeper issues within it. She WAS crazy after all, even if they was correct in saying what had happened, what had happened had flipped her lid and go cray-cray.
The kid even had to snap her out of her emotional crap a few seconds after that, if I am not mistaken.
John does calm her down, which is good foreshadowing of his leadership.
I'd be mad too if I peaked creatively 33 years ago and have yet to make something as cool as a sequel to a low budget film made in 84.
The disparaging line aside, he has a point. The people who did enjoy T1 and T2 have spoken time and time again with the other sequels that also didn't work.
The "new audience" isn't there because they don't go to movies from franchises they know are shitty. They were not around for T1 and T2, back when you had creativity. You let them destroy something you created for decades before you stepped in and put a stop to it. Some of then had redeeming qualities, but if you take out the terminator name from the title, it's just a man versus machine movie.
And that stop you did by the way, was just retreading the parts from the sequels no one really likes, and no one wanted to see. The killing of John Connor was a slap in the face. Right in front of his mother, with Arnie less than 10 feet away. The whole reason for the first two movies just didn't matter to you anymore.
You're telling me the mother who was in the process of breaking herself out of Tuscadero, who didn't actually need saving, who knows exactly how to kill a terminator, with her head on a swivel, who could sniff out a play like that coming before it happened ... wasn't careful with her son?
Come on now. You shat on your own legacy too there pal. Remember, you're the one that added No Fate For What We Make.
How about No Fate For What We Let Others Destroy.
Yeah the whole "no fate but what we make" dies when John Connor dies and a whole new machine uprising happens
Sounds like it what on the whole 90s Sarah Connor series as well.
This was the one with the geriatric Sarah, the illegal alien and the trannie, right?
(Oh, and the emasculated automaton they call a man, too, right?)
I don't remember a tranny.
The girl/boy/thing that played the advanced "not-Schwarzenegger" terminator
Mackenzie Davis is a straight up woman.
Sure, but you wouldn't know for certain from the promo materials. The pictures I saw of her could have been very easily confused with a 15 year old boy.
Which was the point. This was still long ago enough that you couldn't go full tranny yet, so they were riding high on the "nonbinary/androgynous" train in basically everything.
You know what?
I now hope we never get that sequel to Alita: Battle Angel.
Even he will screw it up now.
So, anyway, how's Avatar?
The next one is supposed to be released Christmas next year
And forgotten by New Years.
Maybe but the first two made over a billion each. True no one talks about the Avatar movies but they make bank
I really don't believe it. No one really remembers the movies, the parks are doing well enough, but the movies don't seem like they're actually that popular.
It is weird how little they are in the zeitgeist despite making tons of money. I think China is a big consumer of Avatar
They are almost entirely spectacle movies. You can't really talk in depth about how a cool CGI Imax scene made you feel, so it never warrants discussion and that shuttles it quickly out of the public mind.
The two movies were made with CGI and plots from other movies. Pretty unoriginal.
I can’t even remember which Terminator movie this is. That’s how diluted the franchise became after T2.
The Terminator (1984)
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991)
Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines (2003)
Terminator Salvation (2009)
Terminator Genisys (2015)
Terminator: Dark Fate (2019)
I liked Terminator II when I was a kid.
Later I watched the original and I liked it ( a bit less ).
I can't remember much of any Terminator movie that came later. I think I watched half the Terminator III movie.
It wasen't offensively bad, but didn't have the same ''feel'' as the others.
DId not watch any other. Might rewatch the 1 and 2.
After 2 Cameron wasn't involved until Dark Fate. That's why they feel different
In retrospect, terminator salvation and terminator 3 were decent movies. Not in the same league as 1 or 2, but heaps better than what was to come.
Cameron made some good films in the past, but he never capitalized on that clout to make more franchises. Everyone recognizes his name, but he only has a short list of films compared to some other big directors.
I think he lives off of 3 - Shitanic, Terminator and Avatar. He's a milquetoast boring populist. T2 will always be his peak edit: Oh and Aliens is pretty fucking good. He really peaked in 80s/90s and has been shit ever since
A lot of his movies take a long time to make. And he does a lot of diving and shit between movies.