The first time I saw my friend after he decided he was a woman, he said something to indicate he thought his old self had died. Thinking about that conversation later, it occurred to me that if my friend had "died" than whoever this new person was wasn't necessarily my friend.
But at the same time he is the same person, and he's not dead. Frankly, his death would be easier to come to terms with. It's confusing enough for me (because the situation is nonsensical) when it's just a close friend. I can't imagine how it would be for a father/son where the son thinks his old self "died" and yet there are still familial obligations on the part of the father.
Either way you play it ("son is dead"/"son is alive") isn't going to be entirely logically consistent, because you are playing a nonsensical game.
Isn't that what a lot scifi horror stories are about? Someone, or something, snatches people up, and uses their bodies as skin suits. They look (mostly) the same, but they're different, and not themselves, and are slowly trying to take over the world.
We laugh at cultists for following quacks, because in a functioning society, you'd be able to trust certified experts. But in clown world, even the richest govt contracter schemer got fooled by medical ((grifters)) and their useful woke idiots. The fauci politicians set medical institutions back like 2 generations and DEI will set them back another. Even if half the normies pushed back, the other half of half will still steal billions of tax bucks to trans kids, gobble up boosters, ozempic or whatever the next popular scam is.
It's better to play it off as dead because their religion/ideology has the fucking word for it, "deadnaming".
Your old friend isn't there - he is wearing the skinsuit of a woman. If you're a religious-fag, the only thing you can do at this point is to pray for their soul.
First a symbolic suicide for the illusion of escape from one's problems. By the time it becomes clear the those problems aren't going anywhere, and have if anything become unsolvable due to grievous bodily damage and devotion of one's life to a sinister cult, real suicide tends to follow.
It could all be an elaborate troll account and misinformation
it’s crazy how the trans have a near infinite amount of time to create these online troll accounts and attack sites like kiwifarms who question their troonacy.
Maybe straight people would be more devoted to their agenda if they lose their genitals too? (see eunuchs who were at the top of chinese society for a long time)
This is the case with virtually all “conditions”. If having a “condition” confers any social proof, any bonus resources, or any excuse for bad behavior, then many bad actors will claim to have that condition.
Fat people claim to have genetic or medical conditions when they are really just lazy. Unemployed people on benefits claim there are no jobs when they just want more free money. Everyone has a “good excuse” for everything now. That’s what happens when you normalize mental illness and elevate unfalsifiable feelings as sacred.
it’s crazy how the trans have a near infinite amount of time to create these online troll accounts and attack sites like kiwifarms who question their troonacy.
This whole pronoun shit has made people completely forget (or just refuse to learn after the fact) how proper grammar has worked for centuries.
In addition to the once common usage of expressing unfamiliarity with someone, They/Their has pretty much always been used to refer to someone of unknown sex (the most frequent pop culture references I can think of are mystery novels where the perpetrator is being described without giving clues to who it is).
But there's a big group of uneducated insisting on some form of pronoun purity just to spite the woke, and don't seem to realise they have allowed 'them' to subvert our language even further.
I tend to often use they and their in a generic way like that too. "I don't know what they think they were doing!" "I saw them walking down that way." "That isn't my car, it's theirs." All of these could be in reference to a single person. I think I just don't take the time or care to process such statements to even think of if the subject is a man or a woman. No one ever said a thing about it until the trannies all started taking possession of pronouns.
It did kill his son, and birth a faux daughter for the richest man in the world, who has to cry into his stonks every night when he isn't expanding his serial harem and birthing new elites.
If he actually gave a shit he would have blanket banned all trannies and all positive tranny and gender messaging on his platform, but of course he didn't and would never do so.
He also would have immediately taken custody of his son the second he started acting strange and actually be a father, but I guess kvetching works too.
Leveling the floor so it's a 95% free speech platform is enough to destroy trannies. If we had true online free speech from day 1 then I suspect very few establishment narratives would even propagate.
Do you understand how the courts and child custody work?
As much as you guys rag on Impossible1, some of you could use some educating from him.
85% of what he says is completely true. It's just he takes things too far and comes to wrong conclusions with that last 15%.
Look up GirlWritesWhat aka Karen Straugn, and 6oodfella and watch their videos and then you'll understand feminism and what rights men actually have in this country particularly when it comes to their children vs their wives.
We're talking about Elon Musk here, not some random guy. He has never mentioned fighting for his son in any way, including utilizing one of the largest social media platforms which he owns outright.
I don't need crypto-feminists like Straughn to tell me how fallen the state of law has become, especially when that's not the point of my original post.
The presuppositions held by people like Straughn, and ironically guys like Mike Elam, are what got us into this mess in the first place. I'm not saying what they're doing is wrong, but equality and liberty for all is why we're posting on an alt-alt-social media forum in the first place.
The Enlightenment and its consequences have been a mistake.
This is the point where you loose the thread because the enlightenment isn't the cause of this at all, the enlightenment was the tiniest, merest blip of rationalism in the unending centuries of incantatism.
The moment was brief and glorious and of fucking course the people who crushed it had to steal its language and pretend to be carrying the torch of rationality.
The truth is the enlightenment died as swiftly as it came, and it's promise was forgotten until about 30 years ago, were again it lasted maybe a decade before being snuffed out with exteme prejudice.
Rationalism isnt an ideology, its a framework for decision making, and recognizing whether all people are or are not capable of it is fundamental to its nature. If the conclusion is that blacks as a class simply can't be taught, the enlightenment doesn't give them voting rights anyway because muh dignaty. Quite the contrary.
Yeah, I abandoned the MRA's as soon as I realized they were not traditionalists and on one of their podcasts they were saying brony hate was sexist against men, and how they would never recogonize men and women are different and as such there should be different roles and expectations. They still as you say were liberals and bought into that.
But many of what someone like Karen Straughn says in her youtube channel is useful to show people the true nature of feminism.
Unfortunately culture critics are so preoccupied with all the current modern bullcrap that they are woefully inadequate and uneducated on the topic of feminism. (See Matt Walsh for example).
Understanding feminism is like your basic arethmatic and people today are trying to figure out calculus (modern wokeness) while skipping basic arithmatic. This is why those channels focused on the evils if feminism are a must in that without that proper understanding, its like skipping boot camp and heading straight into war.
MRAs aren't tradcons. They never, ever said that they were. They are a valuable resource because they're one of the few groups that actually made some amount of noise.
Calling them "crypto-feminists" is retarded as fuck. If anything they're somewhat like lolbertarians, but their autistic focus is on men's rights and shitty family courts. That sometimes have overlap with disparate political group goals but it annoys me so many right wing bloviators refuse to interact with HBR and spend no time trying to understand them.
They have a shitload of information that everyone needs to know and I think a lot of people are shooting themselves in the foot ignoring them.
I'm glad Elon's trying to take a stand against wokeness. But honestly to me it shows that he didn't put in the effort up front to protect his son. Sure the hospital website has a blurb that says "puberty blockers are safe and effective, and just give your child more time to decide". But if you actually read the medical literature, there has never been any evidence to show that. There is also tons of evidence for disastrous long term health effects. If he had spent a few hours doing research before signing those documents he may have been able to save his son.
My grandma and grandpa were faithful believers in Jesus. Only one of their 3 children are Christian. One is a far left "unitarian", the other goes to methodist church that doesn't teach the Bible and there doesn't seem to be evidence of faith, and my dad is a strong Christian believer.
You can be the best parent in the world and that's no guarantee that your children will turn out well.
It's your responsibility to raise your children correctly, but the children have responsibility to listen and take the good advice too. And some children have the intent to do evil.
We have many stories in the Bible of moral fathers who had one child that was godly and another who was not. Jacob and Esau for example, sons of Isaac.
With Elon, he's not a Christian so by nature he couldn't give the best guidance compared to if he had them in the word of God, but without knowing way more than we know, there's no reason to assume he encouraged this path.
Some kids would prefer to receive the approval of the woke culture over the approval of their parents and no matter what you say or do, the will of that child to go their own way can't be stopped.
I agree. Children are their own people, there's nothing we can do to guarantee they turn out a certain way. That being said I was referring to how he signed some document allowing doctors to "treat" his son. He could have refused to sign it.
Did you even watch the video? Elon specifically said that he was misled by those doctors, that they claimed his son would commit suicide if he didn’t get full transgender treatment. Sure, Elon could have done better - he’s an autistic engineer billionaire running multiple huge companies. In an emergency, people trust doctors. Or at least they did before all the covid and tranny bullshit.
Yes, I watched it. I personally never take a drug without reading up on it. Same goes for my children. Yes he's a spectacularly busy man, but I would personally put my children over business. I agree, we should be able to trust our doctors, but you unfortunately you can't really. That was true even before covid.
Ah, gotcha, yeah I didn't know that. To be fair, hindsight is 20/20 as well. There's things my parents did that they thought were in the best interest that they say, we wish we didn't do that.
And they're Christians.
Elon was until recently basically a typical pretty liberal guy, and still isn't a Christian. Events like these are what helped him wake up and regret can be a powerful motivator to not repeat mistakes.
It goes both ways though your dad turning out positive could just be the coincidence.
My in laws being a great example, they'd tell you they were great Christian parents, and they are 2 for 8 in keeping their kids in the church, but 3 for 8 in producing pagans, and 2 for 8 for serial deviance.
Sometimes parents are garbage and produce positive offspring by accident.
I think he was faced with a "sign this paper and let him take this gene therapy or lose custody of your son forever" situation. Remember the Texas father?
This is a family court issue. I hate to say this but, unless some of you have been part of a family court trial, I think it is important for all of you to read up on how shitty family court is, how shitty CPS (Child Protection Services) are, and how they fuck over children and fathers and how they're ridiculously biased against men, even before the advent of 2nd/3rd wave feminism.
You know how we laugh at all these teenage and young adult leftists for being in fatherless homes and/or in broken ass families? Some of it is due to this woke crap, but a lot of it is due to these courts completely failing to ensure that the father remains a positive role model if he's trying to see the kids, and/or removing the mother or the father if they're either deadbeats, abusive, or drug-addled pieces of crap.
I cited this as one of the reasons he was moving against the Democrats.
Fundamentally, he was always aligned with the Left, and then as his own kid became more and more of a radical tranny, he's been assuredly moving against the Dems, particularly on social policy. The kid is a rabid leftist tranny, and genuinely hates him and wants him to die.
If Elon Musk truly wished to destroy the woke mind virus, the best thing he could do with Twitter is to simply shut it down, as Twitter is the number one way in which the virus spreads.
This guy gets it. I’m told Elon’s birthing circumstances with all the various women isn’t always him being married to them or even having sex with them, but generally you know the mom did this. At best men go along with it because otherwise you lose half your shit and access to sex and it’ll just happen anyway.
In Elon’s case fair enough on getting laid but generally the point stands for most guys where their kid gets trans’d. It’s usually the mom and the dad just goes along with it.
The first time I saw my friend after he decided he was a woman, he said something to indicate he thought his old self had died. Thinking about that conversation later, it occurred to me that if my friend had "died" than whoever this new person was wasn't necessarily my friend.
But at the same time he is the same person, and he's not dead. Frankly, his death would be easier to come to terms with. It's confusing enough for me (because the situation is nonsensical) when it's just a close friend. I can't imagine how it would be for a father/son where the son thinks his old self "died" and yet there are still familial obligations on the part of the father.
Either way you play it ("son is dead"/"son is alive") isn't going to be entirely logically consistent, because you are playing a nonsensical game.
Isn't that what a lot scifi horror stories are about? Someone, or something, snatches people up, and uses their bodies as skin suits. They look (mostly) the same, but they're different, and not themselves, and are slowly trying to take over the world.
Maybe ancestral memory isn't just a Hyperborea meme.
I suspect it would have taken less effort for him to be an attractive-looking man than a weird-looking "woman"
I can say a lot of things about what he did, but it being an "easy solution" isn't among them.
We laugh at cultists for following quacks, because in a functioning society, you'd be able to trust certified experts. But in clown world, even the richest govt contracter schemer got fooled by medical ((grifters)) and their useful woke idiots. The fauci politicians set medical institutions back like 2 generations and DEI will set them back another. Even if half the normies pushed back, the other half of half will still steal billions of tax bucks to trans kids, gobble up boosters, ozempic or whatever the next popular scam is.
It's better to play it off as dead because their religion/ideology has the fucking word for it, "deadnaming".
Your old friend isn't there - he is wearing the skinsuit of a woman. If you're a religious-fag, the only thing you can do at this point is to pray for their soul.
First a symbolic suicide for the illusion of escape from one's problems. By the time it becomes clear the those problems aren't going anywhere, and have if anything become unsolvable due to grievous bodily damage and devotion of one's life to a sinister cult, real suicide tends to follow.
it’s crazy how the trans have a near infinite amount of time to create these online troll accounts and attack sites like kiwifarms who question their troonacy.
Maybe straight people would be more devoted to their agenda if they lose their genitals too? (see eunuchs who were at the top of chinese society for a long time)
This is the case with virtually all “conditions”. If having a “condition” confers any social proof, any bonus resources, or any excuse for bad behavior, then many bad actors will claim to have that condition.
Fat people claim to have genetic or medical conditions when they are really just lazy. Unemployed people on benefits claim there are no jobs when they just want more free money. Everyone has a “good excuse” for everything now. That’s what happens when you normalize mental illness and elevate unfalsifiable feelings as sacred.
So you're saying there's a cabal of UGLY people out there doing mischief because they've got too much free time?
Ugly by the way stands for Unemployed Genital-removed Losers Yelling
They're also ugly so it fits.
They have (((help))).
Troons are unemployed or have shitty jobs where they don't do anything at all.
They have all the time in the world to go after us who work hard just to get by.
“His”. The possessive pronoun you’re looking for is “his.”
This whole pronoun shit has made people completely forget (or just refuse to learn after the fact) how proper grammar has worked for centuries.
In addition to the once common usage of expressing unfamiliarity with someone, They/Their has pretty much always been used to refer to someone of unknown sex (the most frequent pop culture references I can think of are mystery novels where the perpetrator is being described without giving clues to who it is).
But there's a big group of uneducated insisting on some form of pronoun purity just to spite the woke, and don't seem to realise they have allowed 'them' to subvert our language even further.
We know his son's sex though.
You missed it:
Because that's what u/m0r1arty said was his reason for using a non-specific pronoun.
Both uses were very much common grammatical uses before this woke shit started. Downvotes and disagreeing don't change reality.
I disagree. Elon literally said he was talking about his son, so I'm gonna be calling this troglodyte "Xavier" and a him.
The person we're talking about is known and their actual sex is known.
Source: the hilarious graffity in Pompe.
Your post sounds like an elaborate trolling comment.
'their'
What are you talking about.
lol, it looked like you were already clown world pronouning.
I tend to often use they and their in a generic way like that too. "I don't know what they think they were doing!" "I saw them walking down that way." "That isn't my car, it's theirs." All of these could be in reference to a single person. I think I just don't take the time or care to process such statements to even think of if the subject is a man or a woman. No one ever said a thing about it until the trannies all started taking possession of pronouns.
It did kill his son, and birth a faux daughter for the richest man in the world, who has to cry into his stonks every night when he isn't expanding his serial harem and birthing new elites.
Uh oh. I just blasphemed the messiah.
Meh.
If he actually gave a shit he would have blanket banned all trannies and all positive tranny and gender messaging on his platform, but of course he didn't and would never do so.
He also would have immediately taken custody of his son the second he started acting strange and actually be a father, but I guess kvetching works too.
Leveling the floor so it's a 95% free speech platform is enough to destroy trannies. If we had true online free speech from day 1 then I suspect very few establishment narratives would even propagate.
Sure, and even that he didn't allow.
Do you understand how the courts and child custody work?
As much as you guys rag on Impossible1, some of you could use some educating from him.
85% of what he says is completely true. It's just he takes things too far and comes to wrong conclusions with that last 15%.
Look up GirlWritesWhat aka Karen Straugn, and 6oodfella and watch their videos and then you'll understand feminism and what rights men actually have in this country particularly when it comes to their children vs their wives.
We're talking about Elon Musk here, not some random guy. He has never mentioned fighting for his son in any way, including utilizing one of the largest social media platforms which he owns outright.
I don't need crypto-feminists like Straughn to tell me how fallen the state of law has become, especially when that's not the point of my original post.
crypto-feminists? Can you explain?
The presuppositions held by people like Straughn, and ironically guys like Mike Elam, are what got us into this mess in the first place. I'm not saying what they're doing is wrong, but equality and liberty for all is why we're posting on an alt-alt-social media forum in the first place.
The Enlightenment and its consequences have been a mistake.
This is the point where you loose the thread because the enlightenment isn't the cause of this at all, the enlightenment was the tiniest, merest blip of rationalism in the unending centuries of incantatism.
The moment was brief and glorious and of fucking course the people who crushed it had to steal its language and pretend to be carrying the torch of rationality.
The truth is the enlightenment died as swiftly as it came, and it's promise was forgotten until about 30 years ago, were again it lasted maybe a decade before being snuffed out with exteme prejudice.
Rationalism isnt an ideology, its a framework for decision making, and recognizing whether all people are or are not capable of it is fundamental to its nature. If the conclusion is that blacks as a class simply can't be taught, the enlightenment doesn't give them voting rights anyway because muh dignaty. Quite the contrary.
Yeah, I abandoned the MRA's as soon as I realized they were not traditionalists and on one of their podcasts they were saying brony hate was sexist against men, and how they would never recogonize men and women are different and as such there should be different roles and expectations. They still as you say were liberals and bought into that.
But many of what someone like Karen Straughn says in her youtube channel is useful to show people the true nature of feminism.
Unfortunately culture critics are so preoccupied with all the current modern bullcrap that they are woefully inadequate and uneducated on the topic of feminism. (See Matt Walsh for example).
Understanding feminism is like your basic arethmatic and people today are trying to figure out calculus (modern wokeness) while skipping basic arithmatic. This is why those channels focused on the evils if feminism are a must in that without that proper understanding, its like skipping boot camp and heading straight into war.
MRAs aren't tradcons. They never, ever said that they were. They are a valuable resource because they're one of the few groups that actually made some amount of noise.
Calling them "crypto-feminists" is retarded as fuck. If anything they're somewhat like lolbertarians, but their autistic focus is on men's rights and shitty family courts. That sometimes have overlap with disparate political group goals but it annoys me so many right wing bloviators refuse to interact with HBR and spend no time trying to understand them.
They have a shitload of information that everyone needs to know and I think a lot of people are shooting themselves in the foot ignoring them.
I'm glad Elon's trying to take a stand against wokeness. But honestly to me it shows that he didn't put in the effort up front to protect his son. Sure the hospital website has a blurb that says "puberty blockers are safe and effective, and just give your child more time to decide". But if you actually read the medical literature, there has never been any evidence to show that. There is also tons of evidence for disastrous long term health effects. If he had spent a few hours doing research before signing those documents he may have been able to save his son.
How do we know he didn't?
My grandma and grandpa were faithful believers in Jesus. Only one of their 3 children are Christian. One is a far left "unitarian", the other goes to methodist church that doesn't teach the Bible and there doesn't seem to be evidence of faith, and my dad is a strong Christian believer.
You can be the best parent in the world and that's no guarantee that your children will turn out well.
It's your responsibility to raise your children correctly, but the children have responsibility to listen and take the good advice too. And some children have the intent to do evil.
We have many stories in the Bible of moral fathers who had one child that was godly and another who was not. Jacob and Esau for example, sons of Isaac.
With Elon, he's not a Christian so by nature he couldn't give the best guidance compared to if he had them in the word of God, but without knowing way more than we know, there's no reason to assume he encouraged this path.
Some kids would prefer to receive the approval of the woke culture over the approval of their parents and no matter what you say or do, the will of that child to go their own way can't be stopped.
I agree. Children are their own people, there's nothing we can do to guarantee they turn out a certain way. That being said I was referring to how he signed some document allowing doctors to "treat" his son. He could have refused to sign it.
Did you even watch the video? Elon specifically said that he was misled by those doctors, that they claimed his son would commit suicide if he didn’t get full transgender treatment. Sure, Elon could have done better - he’s an autistic engineer billionaire running multiple huge companies. In an emergency, people trust doctors. Or at least they did before all the covid and tranny bullshit.
Yes, I watched it. I personally never take a drug without reading up on it. Same goes for my children. Yes he's a spectacularly busy man, but I would personally put my children over business. I agree, we should be able to trust our doctors, but you unfortunately you can't really. That was true even before covid.
Ah, gotcha, yeah I didn't know that. To be fair, hindsight is 20/20 as well. There's things my parents did that they thought were in the best interest that they say, we wish we didn't do that.
And they're Christians.
Elon was until recently basically a typical pretty liberal guy, and still isn't a Christian. Events like these are what helped him wake up and regret can be a powerful motivator to not repeat mistakes.
It goes both ways though your dad turning out positive could just be the coincidence.
My in laws being a great example, they'd tell you they were great Christian parents, and they are 2 for 8 in keeping their kids in the church, but 3 for 8 in producing pagans, and 2 for 8 for serial deviance.
Sometimes parents are garbage and produce positive offspring by accident.
I think he was faced with a "sign this paper and let him take this gene therapy or lose custody of your son forever" situation. Remember the Texas father?
This is a family court issue. I hate to say this but, unless some of you have been part of a family court trial, I think it is important for all of you to read up on how shitty family court is, how shitty CPS (Child Protection Services) are, and how they fuck over children and fathers and how they're ridiculously biased against men, even before the advent of 2nd/3rd wave feminism.
You know how we laugh at all these teenage and young adult leftists for being in fatherless homes and/or in broken ass families? Some of it is due to this woke crap, but a lot of it is due to these courts completely failing to ensure that the father remains a positive role model if he's trying to see the kids, and/or removing the mother or the father if they're either deadbeats, abusive, or drug-addled pieces of crap.
I cited this as one of the reasons he was moving against the Democrats.
Fundamentally, he was always aligned with the Left, and then as his own kid became more and more of a radical tranny, he's been assuredly moving against the Dems, particularly on social policy. The kid is a rabid leftist tranny, and genuinely hates him and wants him to die.
Just makes me think he's a dumbass, how could anyone ever think puberty could be "paused"?
If Elon Musk truly wished to destroy the woke mind virus, the best thing he could do with Twitter is to simply shut it down, as Twitter is the number one way in which the virus spreads.
This guy gets it. I’m told Elon’s birthing circumstances with all the various women isn’t always him being married to them or even having sex with them, but generally you know the mom did this. At best men go along with it because otherwise you lose half your shit and access to sex and it’ll just happen anyway.
Yes the billionaire Elon Musk who casually impregnates actresses and models was real worried about "access to sex".
In Elon’s case fair enough on getting laid but generally the point stands for most guys where their kid gets trans’d. It’s usually the mom and the dad just goes along with it.
They don’t even listen to themselves.
He wanted family and companionship. If he just wanted pussy, he could buy it wholesale.