All reports say he had acute subdermal hematoma, which is usually the result of a literal head injury. This video says he also possibly had a brain tumor, which is another thing that could cause brain bleeding.
You know, the kind of things that could 100 to 0 a guy regardless of age or health and aren't the normal "suspicious possibly vaxx death" causes either.
You either die diving into the ocean to save multiple children from drowning before succumbing to the waves, or live long enough to die from overwork. Such is the way of the Mangaka.
I was about to say, I’m a firm believer that the vax is poison, but look at 90% of the stuff they are slowly adding to crops and food and you’ll see why cancer rates are skyrocketing
So is basically everything else in our society, and "increased cancers" is so vague it is perfect for building confirmation bias because now the vaxx is behind every death ever that doesn't involve a gun or a car.
It wasn't any fun when they recorded every single cough in 2020 as a Covid death, and its not more so now when its reversed.
And cancers are a common occurrence in general due to many knowable and unknowable factors, and have been on the rise in general. Unlike myocarditis appearing in many otherwise healthy young adults, it can and does regularly just show up in people and we have lots of causal elements we can point to for it.
So you need more than just "look at this general correlation!", you also need to disprove all other factors too to properly show causation.
Ceteris paribus we saw an increase in cancers with the deployment of the vax. I'm not going to give Moderna the benefit of a doubt until I see a "peer reviewed study." However, I'm sympathetic to your point that every medical problem will have at least one guy screaming vax from this point.
Yeah, if he already had a brain tumor then a small "walk it off" bump prior could have turned into a death sentence without him being aware enough to get it treated, or possibly even having time to do so.
they were not pro vaccine at first and were more hesitant at the beginning(as you said it was because of old vaccine scandals) but they ended up getting majority vaxxed anyways so the propaganda must have gotten to them.
Its got its up and downs. Apparently there was no legal mask mandate so if you didn't give a shit about stares you could just go around without one. Same with internal lockdowns
Another big thing was tons of performative shit on TV. All the variety shows had limited audiences (that they made a point of showing), people wearing masks, 6ft of distance between guests, and those stupid plexiglass barriers between guests sitting at the same table. They all know it's bullshit but it's very important to look like you're doing the right thing in Japan.
Dude... mangaka are known for being unhealthy and overworked as all hell.
I know you all like to blame the vaxx for everything, but that legit makes you sound like the people who claimed gunshot victims died of Covid.
I'm not saying vaxx can't cause any issues. But at this point you all just want to blame it for every fucking death ever.
And the main issue is, we will never know, but by next week some retard will play the telephone game and takes the "OMG, WAS HE VAXXED" concern trolling and run with it, claiming it to be a total fact.
We criticise shitlibs for trivialising words like Nazi and racism. You are doing the exact same thing.
Especially retarded when you all base it on 30-year-old videos of the dude we don't know shit about. Until today I had no idea what he looked like. Don't talk like you had intimate knowledge of his health.
I just recently, by accident, heard that one of my neighbours had Parkinson's. She lives across the road, I see her regularly, had no idea.
Decades of a super unhealthy lifestyle, but he stopped a bit ago.
I used to know an alcoholic, who drank for decades. Stopped, like 5 years later died of liver cancer.
Harmful lifestyle choices often don't just leave your body when you stop.
Or think of athletes. If they wreck their joints for a couple decades, that doesn't stop if they just stop being pro. Some damage lasts.
I mean the way op phrases it, it sounds like during the actual decades of unhealthy lifestyle, he had no problems. When he's not actually drawing manga, he just started having problems while his last manga was 2013 and he drew only 11 chapters of that for a weekly series so...3 mths of work. That's 10 years ago.
Looking through his list of works, the last time he drew anything more than 20 chapters was dragonball and that was the 90s. Ever since then he's basically only occasionally done some short 10 chapterish series every now and then
it sounds like during the actual decades of unhealthy lifestyle, he had no problems
And as is the case with many long term problems caused by earlier life experiences those problems don't have to be present during the times of the causes.
Shift workers who go from day shift to night shift over and over have been shown to have shorter life spans than those who don't go through the same repeating flips in body rhythms, but apart from likely feeling more tired than others at the time there isn't going to be be the same level of problems that comes later on when various body parts of the body start failing due to years of suffering conditions due to work times. Endocrinology, neurology, skeletal, and others all take hits throughout this and eventually reach a breaking point but can be so long after what caused it that it doesn't matter if it's been stopped, as posted elsewhere ITT, "the damage is done".
I dont think mangaka suffer from increased chances of brain tumor though.
Emilia Clarke had 2 aneurysms during the shooting of Game of Thrones, the first during the very first season, the second 2 years later. The facts she had 2 and survived both is already remarkable but the fact she was only 24/25 at the time of the first points out that sometimes these things happen to anyone regardless of age or any previous history.
Then you start factoring in comorbity from other parts of someone's life.
When the term "the silent killer" gets used it really should refer to aneurysms more as they can go undetected for far too long then pop and someone literally drops dead. Whether the rupture is induced externally from a head injury or simply happens after long enough will vary as the underlying condition can be that "dormant" nothing seems wrong for years despite the Damocles sword hanging no further than the lining of a blood vessel.
Take that, the highly overworked nature of manga writers/artists that is extremely evident in the more popular series and just how often new issues get put on break because the creator literally needs to stop before being hospitalised [again], and the equally destructive working environment of Japan where men are not only expected to work like this but then go and socialise and drink themselves to stupor all for the sake, pun intended, of conforming to what is meant to be the cultural working design of Japan, and you end up with a lot of Japanese men quite literally working themselves to death.
Even when this sort of behaviour only lasts a relatively short period of time in someone's life the damage caused by that time spent under these intense conditions and the various consumptions can start a countdown that may end up ticking for years or decades but still ends up stopping far sooner than it should have.
Like you said with the Clarke example, it can happen to anyone not necessarily a mangaka. That's why i don't think his death is related to his time as a full time mangaka over 30 years ago considering he had no other health problems that popped up from that lifestyle.
Yep, this is what happened to me in November. Quit smoking 5 years ago, but wound up in the hospital with a "weak heart" and pneumonia for a bonus. It was serious enough that the local hospital knocked me out on Saturday, threw me on a helicopter (see: STARS) just after midnight Monday morning, and didn't wake up until Tuesday morning around 10.
At least they said my lungs were really clear (after the pneumonia was taken care of, anyway.)
Never needed a doctor much WHILE I was a smoker. At least the heart pills they prescribed do actually make me feel better than I did.
Yes, I'm fine, thank you. I just have to remember to not overdo things any more. I've got a follow-up appointment next week, I'm hoping for a little more guidance.
At least I'm not banned from salt; high blood pressure isn't an issue. But the pills they gave me lower something that was already kind of low, but they also got rid of the chronic tachycardia which feels a lot better.
Foothills gave great care, and the food was even pretty good (my only complaint is the lack of salt, they don't give it to patients.) I got the whole gamut of tests; I can't say I was a fan of getting a heart biopsy. And my arms are so damn skinny, they had to do the angiogram through my hip.
I'm just glad I didn't have a heart attack while walking the dog.
Oh, and I kind of know how Fry and Lister felt. It's weird to be knocked out in one place, and wake up several days later in another. It's not like sleep, where you're kind of aware that time has passed - this was "last thing I heard was the word "fentanyl", and the next thing I know it's three days and three hundred km later ..."
Just because there's vax, doesn't mean everything is linked to it, old people still die for an assortment of reasons.
He's old.
Old people fall.
Old people is likely to hit their head when falling.
Old people also is more prone to have brain bleeding when said fall and hitting their head happens.
Add to that he supposedly has brain tumor, which could also cause brain bleeding.
You know, I just kinda find it disgusting that people feel the need to link high profile deaths with the vax for absolutely no reason other than speculation.
At least this one doesn't have a retard starting an online campaign to harangue the dead's family to release everything about his death yet.
Bro just asked a question. Don't get so offended. lol
"You know, I just kinda find it disgusting that people feel the need to link high profile deaths with the vax for absolutely no reason other than speculation."
You sound vaccinated. It's fine for people to speculate with how prevalent vax issues are and with them being swept under the rug so much. Just as long as they aren't dicks about it.
In a way, this sounds similar to Bob Saget's death, an apparent fall and significant impact to the head. I looked up Saget's cause of death, head trauma (noted that he also had Covid at the time). Some media outlets did/do question the details.
No skin lacerations were found on any sharp edges within the hotel room, such as tables and countertops. Also, the furniture in the room was determined too soft to cause such an intense fracture, Rolling Stone reported.
According to Dr. Gavin Britz, chair of neurosurgery at Houston Methodist, the trauma to Saget’s skull was “significant,” per The New York Times. “This is something I find with someone with a baseball bat to the head, or who has fallen from 20 or 30 feet.”
To my left, I see people wearing masks in 2024 and wanting their 37th booster. To my right, I see people who have ceased to believe in death by natural causes and think 81-year-old fat black women died because of the vaccine, even when they didn't take the vaccine.
I believe and it's a fact that there was no widespread phenomenon of people suddenly collapsing, in such numbers that it became a talking point, prior to 2021. The evidence is called correlation. Heather MacDonald after her collapse even ruminated publicly about her similarity to Bob Saget's case and polled her twitter followers asking them what they think caused it.
It should frankly be impossible to have less introspection than a female stand-up comedian, but somehow some of you manage it. Truth hurts.
And let's be really real, the mainstream press believed that Maon Kurosaki died from the jab too, which is why they reported her cause of death as 'complications of an ongoing illness' and not the reality which was 'she smashed her head when collapsing live on stage in Sept 2021 and never recovered'.
I believe and it's a fact that there was no widespread phenomenon of people suddenly collapsing, in such numbers that it became a talking point, prior to 2021.
Was there ever a motivation to make it a 'talking point'? No. Andrew Breitbart 'died suddenly', but the right blamed that on MURDER!!!!!!!!, though I'm sure that now some will claim that a time-traveling Russian administered the vaccine to him.
Heather MacDonald after her collapse even ruminated publicly about her similarity to Bob Saget's case and polled her twitter followers asking them what they think caused it.
That would be a very rare case of someone first bragging about the vaccine and then at least admitting the possibility of some negative side-effects. "My brain seizure would have been way worse without it" would be the more common response.
All reports say he had acute subdermal hematoma, which is usually the result of a literal head injury. This video says he also possibly had a brain tumor, which is another thing that could cause brain bleeding.
You know, the kind of things that could 100 to 0 a guy regardless of age or health and aren't the normal "suspicious possibly vaxx death" causes either.
You either die diving into the ocean to save multiple children from drowning before succumbing to the waves, or live long enough to die from overwork. Such is the way of the Mangaka.
That's an oddly Pacific example 🤔🌊
Increased cancers are associated with the vaxx, although it's hard to say whether it contributed. It's a grab bag of medical chaos.
Cancer rate has been slowly increasing for a long time and since vaccine that rate of increase has doubled.
So far it looks like the vax/lockdown is only responsible for like 1% of cancers.
I was about to say, I’m a firm believer that the vax is poison, but look at 90% of the stuff they are slowly adding to crops and food and you’ll see why cancer rates are skyrocketing
So is basically everything else in our society, and "increased cancers" is so vague it is perfect for building confirmation bias because now the vaxx is behind every death ever that doesn't involve a gun or a car.
It wasn't any fun when they recorded every single cough in 2020 as a Covid death, and its not more so now when its reversed.
You do know it's possible to measure the incidence of new cancers?
And cancers are a common occurrence in general due to many knowable and unknowable factors, and have been on the rise in general. Unlike myocarditis appearing in many otherwise healthy young adults, it can and does regularly just show up in people and we have lots of causal elements we can point to for it.
So you need more than just "look at this general correlation!", you also need to disprove all other factors too to properly show causation.
Ceteris paribus we saw an increase in cancers with the deployment of the vax. I'm not going to give Moderna the benefit of a doubt until I see a "peer reviewed study." However, I'm sympathetic to your point that every medical problem will have at least one guy screaming vax from this point.
He probably banged his head and thought he was fine then....
Yeah, if he already had a brain tumor then a small "walk it off" bump prior could have turned into a death sentence without him being aware enough to get it treated, or possibly even having time to do so.
He was also 68. 30+ and a sneeze can dislocate a shoulder. A small fall or collusion with a passerby can result in serious damage to someone 60+.
I really hope this isn't the case, but the question needs to be asked: was he vaxxed?
Iirc japan wasnt very pro covid vax compared to Europe or America. Something to do with some old vaccine scandal so this is a toss up
they were not pro vaccine at first and were more hesitant at the beginning(as you said it was because of old vaccine scandals) but they ended up getting majority vaxxed anyways so the propaganda must have gotten to them.
they are extremely conformist, everyone just wanted to end the pandemic so most of them complied
Its got its up and downs. Apparently there was no legal mask mandate so if you didn't give a shit about stares you could just go around without one. Same with internal lockdowns
Another big thing was tons of performative shit on TV. All the variety shows had limited audiences (that they made a point of showing), people wearing masks, 6ft of distance between guests, and those stupid plexiglass barriers between guests sitting at the same table. They all know it's bullshit but it's very important to look like you're doing the right thing in Japan.
Dude... mangaka are known for being unhealthy and overworked as all hell.
I know you all like to blame the vaxx for everything, but that legit makes you sound like the people who claimed gunshot victims died of Covid.
I'm not saying vaxx can't cause any issues. But at this point you all just want to blame it for every fucking death ever.
And the main issue is, we will never know, but by next week some retard will play the telephone game and takes the "OMG, WAS HE VAXXED" concern trolling and run with it, claiming it to be a total fact.
We criticise shitlibs for trivialising words like Nazi and racism. You are doing the exact same thing.
Especially retarded when you all base it on 30-year-old videos of the dude we don't know shit about. Until today I had no idea what he looked like. Don't talk like you had intimate knowledge of his health.
I just recently, by accident, heard that one of my neighbours had Parkinson's. She lives across the road, I see her regularly, had no idea.
Yes but tbf toriyama afaik doesnt do any of the drawing himself anymore. I think at most he does the story telling now.
I actually can't remember the last series he drew himself
Decades of a super unhealthy lifestyle, but he stopped a bit ago.
I used to know an alcoholic, who drank for decades. Stopped, like 5 years later died of liver cancer.
Harmful lifestyle choices often don't just leave your body when you stop.
Or think of athletes. If they wreck their joints for a couple decades, that doesn't stop if they just stop being pro. Some damage lasts.
Same reason Eddie Guerrero died. He had quit drinking and drugs at the time but the damage was already done.
I mean the way op phrases it, it sounds like during the actual decades of unhealthy lifestyle, he had no problems. When he's not actually drawing manga, he just started having problems while his last manga was 2013 and he drew only 11 chapters of that for a weekly series so...3 mths of work. That's 10 years ago.
Looking through his list of works, the last time he drew anything more than 20 chapters was dragonball and that was the 90s. Ever since then he's basically only occasionally done some short 10 chapterish series every now and then
Then again, he was an old guy. Not like giga ancient, but even healthy old people who never smoked, drank or did drugs will deteriorate with age.
And as is the case with many long term problems caused by earlier life experiences those problems don't have to be present during the times of the causes.
Shift workers who go from day shift to night shift over and over have been shown to have shorter life spans than those who don't go through the same repeating flips in body rhythms, but apart from likely feeling more tired than others at the time there isn't going to be be the same level of problems that comes later on when various body parts of the body start failing due to years of suffering conditions due to work times. Endocrinology, neurology, skeletal, and others all take hits throughout this and eventually reach a breaking point but can be so long after what caused it that it doesn't matter if it's been stopped, as posted elsewhere ITT, "the damage is done".
I dont think mangaka suffer from increased chances of brain tumor though.
His last long manga was 30 years ago. That was nearly half his life ago. I doubt his brain bleed took that long to occur if that was the cause
Emilia Clarke had 2 aneurysms during the shooting of Game of Thrones, the first during the very first season, the second 2 years later. The facts she had 2 and survived both is already remarkable but the fact she was only 24/25 at the time of the first points out that sometimes these things happen to anyone regardless of age or any previous history.
Then you start factoring in comorbity from other parts of someone's life.
When the term "the silent killer" gets used it really should refer to aneurysms more as they can go undetected for far too long then pop and someone literally drops dead. Whether the rupture is induced externally from a head injury or simply happens after long enough will vary as the underlying condition can be that "dormant" nothing seems wrong for years despite the Damocles sword hanging no further than the lining of a blood vessel.
Take that, the highly overworked nature of manga writers/artists that is extremely evident in the more popular series and just how often new issues get put on break because the creator literally needs to stop before being hospitalised [again], and the equally destructive working environment of Japan where men are not only expected to work like this but then go and socialise and drink themselves to stupor all for the sake, pun intended, of conforming to what is meant to be the cultural working design of Japan, and you end up with a lot of Japanese men quite literally working themselves to death.
Even when this sort of behaviour only lasts a relatively short period of time in someone's life the damage caused by that time spent under these intense conditions and the various consumptions can start a countdown that may end up ticking for years or decades but still ends up stopping far sooner than it should have.
Like you said with the Clarke example, it can happen to anyone not necessarily a mangaka. That's why i don't think his death is related to his time as a full time mangaka over 30 years ago considering he had no other health problems that popped up from that lifestyle.
Yep, this is what happened to me in November. Quit smoking 5 years ago, but wound up in the hospital with a "weak heart" and pneumonia for a bonus. It was serious enough that the local hospital knocked me out on Saturday, threw me on a helicopter (see: STARS) just after midnight Monday morning, and didn't wake up until Tuesday morning around 10.
At least they said my lungs were really clear (after the pneumonia was taken care of, anyway.)
Never needed a doctor much WHILE I was a smoker. At least the heart pills they prescribed do actually make me feel better than I did.
Fuck, man. You okay now?
Yes, I'm fine, thank you. I just have to remember to not overdo things any more. I've got a follow-up appointment next week, I'm hoping for a little more guidance.
At least I'm not banned from salt; high blood pressure isn't an issue. But the pills they gave me lower something that was already kind of low, but they also got rid of the chronic tachycardia which feels a lot better.
Foothills gave great care, and the food was even pretty good (my only complaint is the lack of salt, they don't give it to patients.) I got the whole gamut of tests; I can't say I was a fan of getting a heart biopsy. And my arms are so damn skinny, they had to do the angiogram through my hip.
I'm just glad I didn't have a heart attack while walking the dog.
Oh, and I kind of know how Fry and Lister felt. It's weird to be knocked out in one place, and wake up several days later in another. It's not like sleep, where you're kind of aware that time has passed - this was "last thing I heard was the word "fentanyl", and the next thing I know it's three days and three hundred km later ..."
Well, this is the first time he dropped dead before our eyes, so obviously, he was perfectly healthy up to this point. Checkmate.
Just because there's vax, doesn't mean everything is linked to it, old people still die for an assortment of reasons.
He's old.
Old people fall.
Old people is likely to hit their head when falling.
Old people also is more prone to have brain bleeding when said fall and hitting their head happens.
Add to that he supposedly has brain tumor, which could also cause brain bleeding.
You know, I just kinda find it disgusting that people feel the need to link high profile deaths with the vax for absolutely no reason other than speculation.
At least this one doesn't have a retard starting an online campaign to harangue the dead's family to release everything about his death yet.
Bro just asked a question. Don't get so offended. lol
"You know, I just kinda find it disgusting that people feel the need to link high profile deaths with the vax for absolutely no reason other than speculation."
You sound vaccinated. It's fine for people to speculate with how prevalent vax issues are and with them being swept under the rug so much. Just as long as they aren't dicks about it.
It's a stupid question. They lied to you when they said that there is no such thing as a stupid question.
I'm inclined to believe it was just the stress of being a mangaka for decades + being old, not a Died Suddenly, but you can't rule it out.
Akira Toriyama's assistant says he had a brain tumor.
Could be that the poison COVID vax is responsible for that.
Operation Warp Speed truly was a huge mistake.
https://twitter.com/Dexerto/status/1767645487761441194
Can you point to the loophole in the Warp Speed contract that allowed for this to happen? Because when I read it, it sounded pretty solid.
Or is this just another of your TDS laments?
Expediting vaccine development undermines vaccine safety.
That is the key problem with Operation Warpspeed.
The contract also allowed for complete liability shield protections for vaccine manufacturers.
It was a massive mistake he made and I will never stop saying this because my own relatives got vaccine injured.
I am still voting for Trump despite his massive mistake on OWS because Biden is the worst President of my lifetime.
So just relax with your baseless TDS accusations.
Spike protein injections erode blood vessel walls. Who could've seen this coming?!
i think it was a standart case of karoshi, mangaka work schedules are insane and whole industry is hyper-competitive
He wasn't even drawing anything himself anymore iirc. Dragonball super is definitely not by him
In a way, this sounds similar to Bob Saget's death, an apparent fall and significant impact to the head. I looked up Saget's cause of death, head trauma (noted that he also had Covid at the time). Some media outlets did/do question the details.
To my left, I see people wearing masks in 2024 and wanting their 37th booster. To my right, I see people who have ceased to believe in death by natural causes and think 81-year-old fat black women died because of the vaccine, even when they didn't take the vaccine.
Actual head trauma. No, it's not the deathjab. Unless reports are outright lying to us.
Bob Saget, Maon Kurosaki and Heather MacDonald.
Let's be real, the reason you believe those cases resulted from a vaccine is because you want to believe it, and not because of any evidence.
I believe and it's a fact that there was no widespread phenomenon of people suddenly collapsing, in such numbers that it became a talking point, prior to 2021. The evidence is called correlation. Heather MacDonald after her collapse even ruminated publicly about her similarity to Bob Saget's case and polled her twitter followers asking them what they think caused it.
It should frankly be impossible to have less introspection than a female stand-up comedian, but somehow some of you manage it. Truth hurts.
And let's be really real, the mainstream press believed that Maon Kurosaki died from the jab too, which is why they reported her cause of death as 'complications of an ongoing illness' and not the reality which was 'she smashed her head when collapsing live on stage in Sept 2021 and never recovered'.
Was there ever a motivation to make it a 'talking point'? No. Andrew Breitbart 'died suddenly', but the right blamed that on MURDER!!!!!!!!, though I'm sure that now some will claim that a time-traveling Russian administered the vaccine to him.
That would be a very rare case of someone first bragging about the vaccine and then at least admitting the possibility of some negative side-effects. "My brain seizure would have been way worse without it" would be the more common response.
the head trauma might have been caused by a botched surgery to remove the brain tumor and im wondering if the brain tumor was caused by the vax....
It's certainly possible, but brain issues are pretty common on the "We didn't know until it hit" scale before the vax. So who knows.
He was declared sick back in 2017. It just was never elaborated further.