Some of the first foreigners to become samurai and learn Japanese are William Adams who was English and Jan Joosten who was Dutch. Both of them lived and died in Japan, and had many honors. The district around Tokyo Station is actually named after Joosten's Japanese name.
The difference really is stark between how well respected the actual men to become samurai are compared to passing remarks that there might have possibly been a black guy paid by Nobunaga as an amusement or pack mule.
Which game series is that? I've played Shogun: Total War and that one seems more like it was taking a period in Japanese history partly popularized by Clavel's book Shogun and running with it. John Blackthorne is Clavel's version of Adams for the book.
As much as people meme about GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL FOLDED 1000 TIMES, the iron in Japan is brittle and generally shit, which is why they had to resort to folding the steel in the first place. Given how labor-intensive swordsmithing is, the katana is very much a nobility weapon, not something they'd give to some rando.
A reminder the Portuguese not only converted a lot of Japanese to Catholicism, but also ONLY supplied the the new Catholics with guns which led to an uprising and coup attempt.
The Japanese imperials won because the Protestant Dutch supplied the Japanese side with guns (because fuck the Catholics) and while the Portuguese were driven off Japan, the Catholic converted hunted down, the Dutch became valuable allies and welcomed trading partners. There's even a place in Japan that's basically little Netherlands, you'd think you were in Europe despite it being Japan.
Tldr; You're using a hostile force known for forced conversions and native genocide as your source for diversity in history in a place they lost to the native population..
The bulk of this post is actually from me. I don't even care if you plagiarize my ideas, but doing it on the forum I originally posted it on will get you caught too easily.
I agree there was no Yasuke, simply because he never comes up in any history class about Japan I was in. There are two mistakes in your theory though. This was a warring period so anyone could become a samurai. The title could be kept if the warrior and his family proved themselves afterwards. The language itself is actually pretty easy, especially if you take away the honorifics. Also, the men only read two written forms because the third was for women.
I think most of the claims about Yasuke are probably bullshit. But to play devil's advocate, he could have very well learned to speak Japanese after Nobunaga died. Not sure why it suddenly becomes restricted to him having to learn it in 3 months. That being said, the whole thing is probably bullshit.
Imagine a few centuries from now, the only thing surviving from late 20th century civilization is snippets from Lancelot Link, BJ and the Bear, and Every Which Way But Loose.
You have to wonder if the "Yasuke" myth started out as a joke or a way to insult the Japanese. A joke to undermine the Japanese by saying, "this country is so backwards that they made a nigger (or neger if Dutch, I guess) a warrior of nobility," or an insult by saying, "look at how undeveloped these Japanese are that they are fascinated by black skin!"
These days Yasuke is now just another tool to deconstruct Japanese history and destroy the cultural identity of Japan. It's a wedge to slowly split apart Japan by using that one black guy as a means to justify the worship of blacks and import street-shitters into the country.
He did mention him, wanting him to join him as a retainer, let's be honest though it was probably as a curiosity and not as a honest thing. A pet isn't a samurai and doubt a samurai is just as easy to be. Fluent Japanese I also doubt since he'd have had someone to teach him, someone who doesn't share a language with him.
See reply below, I pretty much fell for BS for a couple years ago ^^"
In some of his writings, apparently...I even checked and couldn't find any direct sources of it weirdly enough.
I'd assume someone like that did exist, but probably more as a manservant who's brought by missionaries, maybe shown off. That he was more than a curiosity and some kinda samurai is retarded any anyone claiming such makes no sense. He's supposedly met him a couple months before Mitsuhide betrayed him. We don't even know if this guy was even there anymore. And making someone a samurai in that time? Yea, doubt.
I've wrote the first comment before I looked much deeper into it, I've noticed something interesting the original poster of the topic didn't even mention: Most of the sources on him are around 2015-2016ish, all very "afro-centric". That a black guy was there at the time in Japan I'd not rule out tough, but samurai I would categorically call bullshit we wuz samurai n shiete fantasies by the usual people.
It's actually kinda scary how since the early to mid 2010s we're having people claim BS without backing it up, it is very telling when all the sources I could find were around that time only, behind some paywalls or some book written by someone who's very much capital B black. Makes me think what other BS is being propagated.
It is kind of horrifying that people can pump a lot of BS out there, the BS circulates and ages and then becomes the source for further BS. Eventually the central claim is accepted as true.
I heard it called "injecting" in the past, though recently people have been using the term "information laundering". It used to be in the realm of intel agency psyops and astroturfing. It's how all mainstream news functions now.
Some of the first foreigners to become samurai and learn Japanese are William Adams who was English and Jan Joosten who was Dutch. Both of them lived and died in Japan, and had many honors. The district around Tokyo Station is actually named after Joosten's Japanese name.
The difference really is stark between how well respected the actual men to become samurai are compared to passing remarks that there might have possibly been a black guy paid by Nobunaga as an amusement or pack mule.
At least William Adams got a great video game series made about him.
Funny how the video game series about William Adams was made by Japanese themselves. Whilst all the nigger Yasuke media is made by woke Westerners.
Yasuke is in Nioh though too.
But he isn't the main character.(still bad that he's even there though)
Which game series is that? I've played Shogun: Total War and that one seems more like it was taking a period in Japanese history partly popularized by Clavel's book Shogun and running with it. John Blackthorne is Clavel's version of Adams for the book.
The game series is called "Nioh"
Thanks!
As much as people meme about GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL FOLDED 1000 TIMES, the iron in Japan is brittle and generally shit, which is why they had to resort to folding the steel in the first place. Given how labor-intensive swordsmithing is, the katana is very much a nobility weapon, not something they'd give to some rando.
Well good thing WE WUZ KANGS applies to all black people so they are automatically nobles, checkmate racists.
A reminder the Portuguese not only converted a lot of Japanese to Catholicism, but also ONLY supplied the the new Catholics with guns which led to an uprising and coup attempt.
The Japanese imperials won because the Protestant Dutch supplied the Japanese side with guns (because fuck the Catholics) and while the Portuguese were driven off Japan, the Catholic converted hunted down, the Dutch became valuable allies and welcomed trading partners. There's even a place in Japan that's basically little Netherlands, you'd think you were in Europe despite it being Japan.
Tldr; You're using a hostile force known for forced conversions and native genocide as your source for diversity in history in a place they lost to the native population..
The bulk of this post is actually from me. I don't even care if you plagiarize my ideas, but doing it on the forum I originally posted it on will get you caught too easily.
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/16ZDcSEIyN/x/c/4TnOiVUM3OA
I was like damn I've definitely read this before. Naively assumed it was just the same user reposting it.
It's not the first time, back from reddit's TD days I had quite a few people lift posts of mine and put them on twitter or Gab.
I agree there was no Yasuke, simply because he never comes up in any history class about Japan I was in. There are two mistakes in your theory though. This was a warring period so anyone could become a samurai. The title could be kept if the warrior and his family proved themselves afterwards. The language itself is actually pretty easy, especially if you take away the honorifics. Also, the men only read two written forms because the third was for women.
100% its gonna be used to push "japan racist" at the same time.
I think most of the claims about Yasuke are probably bullshit. But to play devil's advocate, he could have very well learned to speak Japanese after Nobunaga died. Not sure why it suddenly becomes restricted to him having to learn it in 3 months. That being said, the whole thing is probably bullshit.
Imagine a few centuries from now, the only thing surviving from late 20th century civilization is snippets from Lancelot Link, BJ and the Bear, and Every Which Way But Loose.
You have to wonder if the "Yasuke" myth started out as a joke or a way to insult the Japanese. A joke to undermine the Japanese by saying, "this country is so backwards that they made a nigger (or neger if Dutch, I guess) a warrior of nobility," or an insult by saying, "look at how undeveloped these Japanese are that they are fascinated by black skin!"
These days Yasuke is now just another tool to deconstruct Japanese history and destroy the cultural identity of Japan. It's a wedge to slowly split apart Japan by using that one black guy as a means to justify the worship of blacks and import street-shitters into the country.
He did mention him, wanting him to join him as a retainer, let's be honest though it was probably as a curiosity and not as a honest thing. A pet isn't a samurai and doubt a samurai is just as easy to be. Fluent Japanese I also doubt since he'd have had someone to teach him, someone who doesn't share a language with him.See reply below, I pretty much fell for BS for a couple years ago ^^"
In some of his writings, apparently...I even checked and couldn't find any direct sources of it weirdly enough.
I'd assume someone like that did exist, but probably more as a manservant who's brought by missionaries, maybe shown off. That he was more than a curiosity and some kinda samurai is retarded any anyone claiming such makes no sense. He's supposedly met him a couple months before Mitsuhide betrayed him. We don't even know if this guy was even there anymore. And making someone a samurai in that time? Yea, doubt.
I've wrote the first comment before I looked much deeper into it, I've noticed something interesting the original poster of the topic didn't even mention: Most of the sources on him are around 2015-2016ish, all very "afro-centric". That a black guy was there at the time in Japan I'd not rule out tough, but samurai I would categorically call bullshit we wuz samurai n shiete fantasies by the usual people.
It's actually kinda scary how since the early to mid 2010s we're having people claim BS without backing it up, it is very telling when all the sources I could find were around that time only, behind some paywalls or some book written by someone who's very much capital B black. Makes me think what other BS is being propagated.
It is kind of horrifying that people can pump a lot of BS out there, the BS circulates and ages and then becomes the source for further BS. Eventually the central claim is accepted as true.
I heard it called "injecting" in the past, though recently people have been using the term "information laundering". It used to be in the realm of intel agency psyops and astroturfing. It's how all mainstream news functions now.
Also how all of the fraudulent X-studies fields in academia function.
If you can't trust a Jesuit, who can ya?
No one?
Alrighty then.
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