Boeing 737 Max 9s grounded after panel break
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Up to the launch of the Dreamliner, the phrase was "if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going." Now that has become "if it's Boeing, it ain't going.". This is three decades of McDonnell Douglas' proto-DEI infecting Boeing, with the bean counters clapping like trained seals.
I believe the aircraft are pretty good, in general. Maybe not this one. I've been watching disaster videos, and the constant is not Airbus or Boeing -- it's crew error. When I would "not go" or "go and hold your breath" is on a 3rd world airline. Consistently, third world maintenance is a factor in these crashes, independent of crew error.
13 hour drive from Manila or 1 hour "hold your breath" flight to Bicol-Legazpi?
I lean towards the drive, but that's enough of a time save to make the flight unavoidable. And the Philippines might be a small step above your Sub-Saharan Africa/Rural India or Indonesia where these crashes happen regularly, too.
As a rule of thumb, I tend to trust any airline that can fly to either EU or USA -- it means they have to maintain the standards and practices of the FAA/Equiv. EU Body. Even in third world countries, you should be alright.
It's when you fly on your Spice Air, or your Lion Air (or any of a myriad of small airlines in Africa) where you shit your pants.
That has been mine, though I have become very skeptical after the EU banned Russian airlines on 'safety grounds' right after a certain incident in February 2022.
Either they were really unsafe, and the EU was tolerating them for political reasons before, or they were really safe, and the EU banned them for political reasons. Both do not speak very well of their safety regime.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/eu-adds-21-russian-airlines-those-banned-eu-2022-04-11/
Now, in all likelihood they were completely safe and the EU just banned them for political reasons (which is less bad than the alternative), but the fact that such decisions are made on political grounds is reason enough not to trust the system. That said, I don't worry even with low cost carriers like Easyjet, Vueling and Pegasus. Ryanair I avoid because they use the 737 Max and because they do not employ their pilots.
If the airline isn't based in a western European country or does its maintenance somewhere else I am simply not fucking flying. The horror stories from my father flying in Asia confirms this.
This comports with my experience. Asian (other than maybe Japan) and African airlines are dangerous. One issue that killed a bunch of people started due to retardation on the ground in Indonesia.
The 737 Max appears to have some issues which make 'crew error' significantly more likely.
Don't forget Starliner hasn't delivered a crew to the ISS yet. Boeing will be lucky to even get enough launches at this point to fulfil the original contract.
I find it amazing that they're going to put people onboard the next Starliner mission.
Don't remind me of that boondoggle. They'll be lucky if they ever get to the right orbit.
So we got better from them smashing into the ground to just shit is broken now?
I swear, haven't done flying since the lockdown era (because of all those vaccine restrictions many countries put up), now? I'd rather use trains and cruises to get where I want, at least if the only option is a Boeing made aircraft..
FWIW, most countries have backtracked on everything at this point. Even Japan it's normal to see people not wearing masks again, so that's a good bellwether.
I've found good people and great conversations in several places over the last calendar year, and I'm headed to Asia in a couple months' time, so I'm sure I'll do the same.
That's good, maybe later I'll travel by plane again
Just make sure it isn't a Boeing or flying over a contested area so I don't get final destination'd
Non Max Boeing jets are still good.
Kind of ironic we say that when apparently one just had part of their plane blow out on a flight...
“I’m so competent and good at everything, guys.”
Why do you post this shit? By my count, you’re now an expert game dev, an expert martial artist, and an expert pilot. Did I miss anything?
Stop being so gay.
Don't forget political messiah who knows that the Right is the real bad guys because they don't agree with him on everything.
Expert martial artist? Lmao missed that one
Do you have some sort of ax to grind with this guy? I read that as "these diversity hires are so bad that you'd be better than they are by just playing Flight Simulator".
Would he really, though?
Wouldn't it be fuel tank more than anything a limiter on those?
Useful load restrictions, mostly. A entry level General Aviation plane has about 6-800 pounds useful load. Avgas is 6 pounds to the gallon, average person is 180-200 pounds. "You can fill the seats or you can fill the tank."
I am currently in the middle of the learning process actually, but I still haven't identified many possibilities to make a career out of it unless I want to become an instructor. Flying yourself is extremely expensive. Can't see it replacing commercial, unless I got to the point where people would charter me to fly them somewhere I wanted to go anyway.
Instructors get paid shit, but there are jobs outside the airlines for smaller plane pilots. Medical flights, remote locations like alaska, being an on call private pilot, charter, etc.
The major reason a cessna is so expensive is because the FAA certification process is insanely onerous. Look at experimental category aircraft for personal use - illegal to use for commercial purposes, but a better representation of what planes would cost without massive regulatory burden.
The FAA regs have some reason to exist, because planes falling out of they sky tend to be more disastrous than car defects - but they're also the biggest reason small scale air travel is still so expensive.
This will happen more and more untill we get more and more plane crashes.
It's a combination of diversity hiring in ATC's, pilots and maintenance cutbacks. Plus there'll be a plane crash at some point because a pilot has a "safe and effective" event mid flight.
They won't ban flights, so they'll make it so dangerous and scary that the sheeple will no longer will travel by air. Road-trip vacations only will eventually turn into 15 minute cities. Of course, the rich will still have airports to land their private jets, which conveniently will get restaffed with actually good people once the riff-raff are effectively banned.
I've been wondering why they don't do that as well. Making flying so dangerous that people will want to avoid it (hell, right now, it's probably 'too' safe in that the marginal safety loss is lesser than the amount of hassle and nonsense people put up with at the airport). You don't even need to make it that unsafe, as the fear of dying in a flying inferno is so great that people will still fear it if there are a couple of accidents a month - even if flying remains vastly safer than driving.
Yet they are not doing this. Why? Possibly because of the aforementioned instinctive reaction to airplane crashes. It's thoroughly investigated, heads will roll, and there is accountability as one of the few places in the West.
Surely, with autopilots and co-pilots, they can safely land the plane even if the pilot dies? With the number of flights, I can't imagine that this has never happened.
They do happen from time to time. Here are a few from last year.
Don't worry, another software update will fix it.
The reason I even found this out is because this got posted to r/CFB and people are saying that it’s the fault of corporations putting MBAs everywhere instead of engineers. Why do corporations do this?
Edit: Link to post
In this case we can pretty clearly point to Boeing buying McDonald Douglas and not firing the management staff from McDonald Douglas, rookie mistake in acquisitions is to acquire someone and then not remove the people who actually caused the competing business to fail.
Because McDonald Douglas was run by bean counters, Boeing got fucked, fundamentally sad but expected.
Because the small hats who own all of the corporation's stock demand quarterly growth as opposed to long term viability.
The wording is vague, but was the main pilot female?
Not that it was her fault that the panel blew off.
The Buffalo crash in Dec. of 2009 is the last one iirc.
I remember that because it made my fear of flying worse in winter weather.
Anecdote no one asked for: I think I accidentally cured my fear of flying with a dose of magic mushrooms one time. I flew out of Vancouver the next day and ever since then... it's just... been gone. My wife remarks on every flight since that my palms aren't even sweaty anymore.
Funny enough, shrooms caused the mental breakdown that lead the jumpseat pilot to shut down the engines on Alaska Airlines flight 2059, almost crashing the plane.
Check out the story about TNFlyGirl. Social media harlot with an aviation license that got herself and her father killed in a crash.
She shopped around flight schools to find a cuck that would pass her even though she didn't have any grasp of flight dynamics whatsoever, and then immediately took to advertising her Grrl Power on the internet for clout instead of, you know, actually treating piloting an aircraft with the seriousness it deserves.
Hey, that sounds exactly like Amelia Earhart! Shitty pilot (notoriously bad in aviation circles) who was promoted because she was pretty and photogenic.
Amelia's navigator and radioman Fred Noonan was reportedly one of the only people who would fly with her. He had a well known drinking problem and was seen drunk on the day they departed.
Amelia didn't know how to operate her own radios. She could not use Morse Code. She did not follow the guidance signals from the coast guard.
By all accounts she missed the tiny island that was her refueling stop and crashed on an atoll.
Now do Kara Hultgreen.
Oh wait. Here is a very authoritive video on the subject.
https://youtu.be/rFUXshaaMQM?si=mIFckmrr9DlJHxJW
I watched several videos about her since the crash.
She had just bought a new plane more intricate then the one she trained on.
She didn't understand how her new autopilot and trim worked in detail.
Once the two got out of sync, she couldn't correct it manually and undulated until they hit the ground.
Was just talking about her with a pilot buddy. Saw some of her videos before her crash (she flew the type of plane a cousin wants to buy), and noped out of her channel because of how clueless she was.
If you trace the causal chain back far enough, what lead to her crash was the government's inept response to the Colgan Air crash, in which the 1,500 rule was created. Because pilots now need 1,500 hours in order to be hired as a commercial airline pilot, every person with aspirations to becoming an airline pilot immediately becomes an instructor in order to build up their hours. So flight schools are inundated with "instructors" who have hardly any flying experience, and hardly any experience instructing students in any capacity. Her first instructor was too dumb to be up in the air teaching anyone to fly. Which is why she had the skills of a 40 hour pilot at 400 hours.
It's not just pilots that cause issues. Apparently, there was a black air traffic controller in Texas who caused a massive mess, and who was then rehired or something? I don't quite remember, but it was bad.
Kobe's pilot was a white dude.
Obviously, that panel wasn't diverse and inclusive enough.