Spoken on behalf of the Government on BBC Radio 4's Any Questions, the Financial Secretary to the Treasury wants pornography gone from the UK on the basis of protecting women's and girls safety and fighting misogyny in society.
Bear in mind, this is separate from the Online Safety Act about to be enacted and the age verification plan any website not "suitable for children". Also bear in mind VPN's operating in the UK are also required to comply with the law.
The UK Government is about to go to war on pornography and appease both the feminists who believe it is exploitative and harmful to women while turning men into misogynists and the traditional conservatives who also believe it is harming masculinity, encouraging bachelorhood and contributing to the decline in birth rates.
Cut the UK off from the internet and send them back to the stone ages already.
Having someone online constantly trying to steal our right to free speech is like being married to a woman trying to steal your money.
They're importing the stone ages already, no need to kill the net.
If they have such a huge hardon againts thing they dont like just put up a firewall like China does. Why should companies be beholden to foreign laws rather than its home country. I can't believe the UK government is making me defend pornography wtf.
LOL I laughed hard at this, this is what the left and the WEF does every time, they take the most absurd positions possible that forces reasonable people to have to defend even the stuff they don't like :D it's how they end up making everybody into Trump supporters.
I think they're more envious and inspired by the Kwangmyong internal network in North Korea. However, cutting off the UK from the Internet completely would be overplaying their hand massively to the point they would collapse a good proportion of their economy.
But they are currently using pornography as a central pivot and an easy target for a moral panic around misogyny in society.
Yeah? Maybe the brits will grow some balls and take out the trash then
I suspect the vast majority of people will be happy as long as they can still access the likes of Google, YouTube, Reddit, Netflix, Spotify, Amazon, eBay, Facebook/WhatsApp (even without encryption), TikTok and X/Twitter. Which could still happen in a UK intranet with UK based services on UK based servers and restricted Internet access via large corporations as a middle man (not VPN's) if anyone wants anything from overseas. You'll only see backlash if any of those disappear.
Just because of how draconian this shit is already it's making me look at leaving the country because it simply won't be economically viable to stay regulatory compliant as I've ranted about tons purely from a business perspective. A good chunk of GDP and tax money is going to come from tech companies because of the way the economy is now.
You know it's bad when even facebook are looking at this shit and noping the fuck out of there. You think corporations are going to stick around knowing they'll get constant fines for non-compliance because the regulations are that deliberately vague and ridiculous? I'm very curious as to what happens next with the online safety bill but I suspect like with everything the government does they're going to walk this shit back to something slightly less worse in order to make dumb people accept it and then that legislation will stay there forever.
Laurence Fox and Nigel Farage aren't going to be the messiahs to deliver the UK from this either, they're too cucked especially when it comes to public debate. Amazingly Russel Brand is really the only one with any balls when dealing with these people.
"Do this or we will do it" is a pretty retarded threat. It means it would be tricky for them to pull it off, and they want the internet companies to do their work for them.
Also, you have to love the selective logic.
But, remember, if you ban abortion women will literally kill themselves in back alleys with coat hangers! If the logic was consistent, banning porn would just make it more exploitative.
Also, gotta love how everything is about "women and girls." Despite them not being able to define either of those, but that's a separate issue. No matter the issue, it's always, always, always "women most effected."
And, hey, at least this time the government is presumably threatening national companies, not international like they tried with Rumble.
I guess it's a good test case, if nothing else. I fully, fully expect it to backfire though. This will just be more anti-men nonsense, no matter how you feel about porn and its effects, they'll manage to blow this back onto the evil white men.
It's the government doing something, so it will likewise accomplish the opposite; more exploitation, more misogyny, more bachelorhood, more harming of masculinity. Worst of all worlds, they'll manage it somehow.
MRAs have been very good at spotting this mentality, it doesn't matter what it is, it's very pervasive in the west. Even down to the detail of how the media does victim reporting. They never mention that men can be victims as well and simply write it as 'X number of victims as well as X number of women and children' don't believe me? Check the articles and how these journalists write.
The language gets even creepier when you start investigating female paedophiles. I don't think I see a single journalist now that will call it rape when a woman does it. They call it disgusting shit like 'a romp' and and even when they're really stretching to defend women who do it with outright children who aren't teenagers they always call it "Have sex with" that's another experiment you can do. If you put in the search engines "Jailed for having sex with" versus "jailed for underage rape" I guarantee that the rapists will be men and the people having sex with underage boys will be women.
In case you couldn't tell this is one of those topics I could rant about for hours and it's why I really can't stand hanging out with normie crowds anymore. The virtue signal mentality towards women is real, another experiment MRAs did which was very effective was they would write up fake scenarios of abuse situations for mainstream/feminist subreddits. Even in the mainstream ones, the responses were predictable, the women in the situations who were being abusive were instantly defended and users would go out of their way to excuse the behaviour, the men were ruthlessly attacked.
I once thought about the idea of how easy it would be to manipulate the entire UK court system with a fake accusation. Obviously this was very morally questionable and I wrote that in the sub, but the fact is if you had a very trustworthy partner or something and she did a fake accusation against you both of you could probably manipulate the fuck out of the courts and they would immediately trip over themselves to 'defend the woman' even if she came out and said after that everything had been faked and there was video to prove it. Even with that though, they'd probably try and claim she's got Stockholm syndrome and do everything they can do go after the guy in that situation just because it's a guy.
I don't know if you saw a debate recently on the Minister for Men being suggested by an MP who then got mocked by feminists. A male contributor on BBC Politics Live was defending the MP and was talking about male suicide as a serious social issue that needs to be tackled by Government. What did the other panellists do? Immediately change the subject to "what about the wage gap", "what about sexual harassment" and "what about women". In less than two minutes the issue of male suicide was completely derailed and the original male contributor was left to just agree to everything that was being said by everyone else.
Yep, I saw clips of that and the whole Laurence Fox thing that resulted. GBNews and all of the men including people who should know better fell for the tactic hook line and sinker. They didn't just want to cancel GBNews and get it taken off the air through bullshit ofcom regulation part of it will be they never wanted the discussion about male suicide and a minister for men being discussed in the first place.
It's all pointless anyway that kind of discussion, because if it does happen because of what feminists are like they're going to inevitably turn it into some ultra cucked position and the 'minister for men' will inevitably be some weasel male feminist conservative type who constantly apologises to women on behalf of men and talks about how men need to stop abusing women and that men should express themselves more to prevent suicide. That is the only narrative in the mainstream that is allowed about male suicide and depression anymore.
Another excuse for the government to have control over your life. That's all it ever is.
it would be much cheaper for them to implement a great firewall, but they won't.
While also pissing off "sex positive" feminists who make said porn. This is going to be glorious and I advise everyone to stock up on plenty of popcorn. Salt will not be required because there will be ample amounts everywhere.
Women will bitch and moan, but ultimately they will fall in line with authority.
Will some pretend not to, and do the "brave" thing and openly defy the law and make porn? Sure. They'll do so knowing the authorities won't punish them in any tangible manner. If anyone gets punished it'll be men involved in it, either production or purchasing. Just look at the much-heralded "nordic model" when it comes to prostitution. Everything's cool unless there's an opportunity to throw men in jail.
They will play the victim in court and the UK government will fall for it, it might actually be British thots screeching that end up getting the online safety bill shut down as they're a protected class on the level of trannies.
I do wonder what will happen to all the women who make money from OnlyFans if this does go ahead? Maybe they'll adapt to a purely "girlfriend experience" sans anything sexual/nudity to adhere to any potential future law.
This is such a dumb thing that I can't believe I have to defend porn. It always starts with saving the children, or women, or women and children.
You know you won't be able to ban it all, or block it all, and you can't shut the internet off for England, or Great Britain, so this is just saber rattling. Besides, it'll be the ISPs that'll have to block it, not you. So it's just extra work for the IT departments across GB.
So do it then. Turn the internet off for Great Britain to save people from porn. Even though you can't, and it's not you actually doing that work.
I think it will be a election issue that the Tories will use to get one up on Labour to convince the public that they are the party of safeguarding women and children. We are now entering our own electioneering period for a potential election in 2024. They're doing the same thing with the "war on the motorist".
The porn sites should replace their landing page for British visitors with one saying "your government has blocked this content, overthrow it to get your porn back". It probably won't accomplish anything but it'd be funny
Since her government has no interest in banning Muslim immigration to the UK to at least stop making the problem worse, and she didn't use this platform to argue that they should, she is clearly acting in bad faith.
It has all come full circle. The only way to nullify the degeneracy is to embrace the madness and invert it by its own edicts.
UK government: “we want to protect women”
Same government:
https://youtu.be/I6wMnilK0J0
(IGNORED a 10 year old girl who was raped. Because the rapist was muslim. Despite a foetus which proved he raped her.)
Oh please tell me how you want to keep women safe. While importing millions of men from the most barbaric and misogynistic cultures.
This is one of the most idiotic things I've seen a UK MP say, and that's a high bar. I know my debate was about getting rid of it using real actors because AI is getting better was lively but ban it all is just election suicide.
They have done NOTHING to stop the sexualization of the education so the normies are now used to porn thanks to their 'non-effort'. I'm calling it, this is WORSE than when Neocons before 2022 said they should push to ban abortion at a federal level, it's handing the election to Labour unless smaller parties can break through in enough numbers.
I'm not sure it is. I suspect most people in society think pornography = bad, relationship = good. And they would believe that doing this will straighten "misogynists", "weirdos" and "perverts" - the outgroup of the current moral panic - out into dating, marriage, protect women and that will get them votes away from Labour who will try to out-do them as we're now entering into an election campaign season.
As a video I am currently watching says, pornography is a symptom of a societal problem that we're not acknowledging at best, at worst, we're diverting attention away to others.
Part of me wants the porn to go ahead western wide just so I can see the right wing narrative around it fall to pieces because they really have whipped themselves up into a frenzy over it lately even by their standards. Being a single 33 year old virgin myself the comments pages are filled with people who have no fucking idea what it's like being in the position that I'm in.
I can state this unequivocally, banning porn will do nothing for men, because it's not sex that's the issue and too many people on the right are unwilling to confront the ugly reality about western women. Incels especially are people who want real relationships and bonding with women who have been successfully indoctrinated into hating that idea or even being disgusted by it.
Like I say, it will only deal with the symptoms and not the cause. And then what will happen if it's successful and men have no outlet and no chance of success in the dating market? Now you have men with nothing to lose. And that is a grim prospect for society that will bite everyone in the backside.
I can imagine a lot of entrepreneurial car boot sellers selling USB sticks from overseas full of content, no questions asked, should VPN's be completely blocked or banned.
Pretty much the 70's and 80's all over again. With a shitty and subpar cyberpunk veneer.
I've been constantly bitching partly as a shitposting joke but I am kind of annoyed that I don't even get a sexy android milf partner in this era and they'd been making films and shows about that sort of future for us since earlier than the 90's nearly.
Reminds me of how comically weird some of the B-movies on that kind of subject were, like back in the 80's especially. Yet somehow even those cheap productions couldn't paint as bleak or shitty of a backdrop as we're seeing now.
Also, I'll have to correct myself. Porn legality went sort of back and forth in the US during the 70's and 80's, but mostly veered towards excessively legal. I mostly just think back to that era because of how extra cheap and shady shit seemed back then. Plus there were a lot of stories about a lot of seedy underground productions/distributions during that era as well.
All of that kind of gave a weird impression of stuff going on beneath the radar as a result of heavy regulation and bans, when in reality, it was because of a lot of other reasons (IE, pre-Internet meant localized distribution which was a lot less profitable for such niche products that were already not popular with the most of the general public).
We are in neo-puritan times where moral panics and witch hunts are the order of the day.
Incels rise up lol
I have a sneaking suspicion it'll end up like prohibition only more authoritarian because they'd need to monitor communications EVEN more to ban pornography and even bigger criminal element with how weak police and authorities are in the UK.
The only way the Conservatives can win the next election is either ALL of Labour are caught having a pedophilic orgy at their next party conference or they deploy the military to the coast to stop any boats with force if they don't turn back.
The fact the former seems more likely out of the two shows how screwed they are so they're throwing everything at the wall to pander than do the obvious.
You want accelerationism? This is accelerationism. Bring it on lol, let see where the experiment goes. I'm very anti-porn but I'm bracing myself for the British apocalypse.
Oh no. Englishmen will have to rely on their imaginations to masturbate. Expect an increase in subscriptions to Victoria's Secret catalogues.
Victoria's Secret went woke so they'll have to find something else.
Park your first sentence for the future, particularly if you live in Scotland.
All the muzzles won't be so happy once their goat porn is off the net.
what does any of that have to do with finance?
why is the financial secretary to the treasury giving opinions?
She used to be the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Safeguarding - one of their remits is "tackling violence against women and girls" of which pornography is included. It is also a conservative thing to promote safety and purity to the public, something Labour has also aligned with.
Lol... itll be funny if ban of porn causes civil war.
I really have to write some kind of mega thread on this backed up by other users here with more knowledge than me on why this doesn't do anything so the tech illiterate can understand. They don't 'block' these websites at all, what they do is they block the http address from your I.P address based on your location in most cases and they get the ISPs to do it for them.
It is ridiculously easy to circumvent, Russia Today for example is still 'blocked' but you can use sites like archive.is to grab specific links and because archive.is isn't blocked it will generate the page for you in an archive and you can read the article from the blocked website. These boomer politicians are either tech illiterate or shameless. The archive.is work around I've written up is one of the easier ways you can get past all this crap, sometimes it even works on paywalled stuff too so pop ups they've put up on boomer net do nothing. These website blocks are done by morons or also possibly IT guys who did it half-arsed.
As others have pointed out already, you could go a more complicated but clever route of using Bitcoin and paying a VPN that accepts it in another country to get around any I.P based blocking anyway if you're really that determined but I suspect a simple proxy server is going to do the trick regardless.
Honestly it should be up to the state to block content they want blocked. Whether pornography or disallowed speech on twitter, the government shouldn't be able to force companies to do moderation work for free.
And if the restrictions put in place by technically illiterate boomer politicians don't actually work, all the better.
I think I'm veering towards the idea of accelerationism with porn just so I can laugh at the right wingers struggling to explain why nothing they do works.
The reason why they like private companies to do it is so that if any charge of censorship comes their way, they will just point at the private companies and state they didn't do it.