Apologies for the lack of links, but this has been squeaking out all over the place. Details can be found on Kiwifarms when its up, and some were posted to 8chan.moe a couple days ago. It's a shitshow.
Soyjak was a /b/-tier shitposting site that had a massive dark side. Despite the site often raiding loli boards on other sites and communities to brand lolicons as "pedophiles", it turns out that the admins of the site were running a sophisticated and secretive grooming operation behind the scenes. They would make kid-friendly memes and offer free Robux to entice kids to the site, where the site admins themselves were spamming CP when traffic was up to desensitize the kids to it. Then some were selected and invited into a grooming Discord, where they were pressured and eventually blackmailed into producing CP and cutting themselves. At least one suicide is confirmed but people who knew about it have claimed there were many more that weren't documented. This all got out because of mod chat leaks by a disgruntled member of the pedo group matched up the admins' IP addresses to ones that were all over the logs for CP spam, and people started digging. Come to find out the owner of the site is a gay man in court for child molestation in Tennessee.
They also had raid groups that used abandoned TF2 chat servers to coordinate attacks on streamers, minor e-celebs, and anyone who threatened to expose the group. They sent CP to peoples work emails disguised as spam so it would go unnoticed, and basically "gang-stalked" targets across the Internet. They wouldn't touch the person but would attack any community the target was in whenever the person went there, to make that community become hostile to the target and isolate them. One bragged about "targeting their mental health directly" with this tactic.
There were minor rumbles about all of this back in April, but apparently enough finally got out that it blew up a few days ago and the owner pulled the plug on the site in a panic. He's trying to sell the domain now. Several people in the chan-o-sphere have been noticing a large rise in secretive IRL pedo activity across swaths of the alt-site Internet over the past year, but this is the latest and loudest exposure of it that I'm aware of. Soyjak had been raiding 8chan off and on for months prior to this, notably with some emphasis targeting the GG threads with soyface.jpg and CP spam. All the while claiming that 2D loli art was what they were protesting against.
I'm beginning to think "don't trust anyone who vocally hates anime lolis, because they're guaranteed to be a fucking pedophile" is becoming an iron law. 8chan GG did a quick tally and there's been over 500 such cases just in the last few years, with the infamous Dr. Pizza being just one tiny but well known example.
If you do anything more than just not consuming media that has loli characters and go as far as to call yourself 'anti-loli' then there's a good chance you're projecting to hide your own skeletons.
I've seen too many twitter freaks accounts declaring how much of a pedo loli fans are yet they defend Cuties. And that's just surface level, I ain't risking going to places like these where I could see REAL CP.
I'm thinking we need to age gate the Internet, there's too many predators getting organised because western authorities turning a blind eye till it gets TOO HORRIFIC to cover for that it simply isn't safe with restrictions, which you'd hope parents would do but I'd rather ban them till they're 16-18 if no ones going to step up and protect their kids online.
Every time I see someone trying to brand lolicons as pedophiles, it always makes me raise an eyebrow.
Cause the only ones I ever see do it are the terminally online left. And then, inevitably...
Thing is, I can't figure out the why. Jealousy? Confession through projection? Just straight insanity? What?
Yeah, maybe I don't want to know.
The ones we dealt with who went mask-off were all some variation of "REEEE IF I CAN'T FUCK REAL KIDS THEN YOU CAN'T HAVE THIS! SEE HOW IT FEELS BIGOT!" Most of the time they're just acting like smug moralist assholes until, as you said, "inevitably..."
There's a pattern that I've noticed and that I wish there was a word for. It's like. "I'm guilty of doing something that I know is terrible, and so when I want to accuse someone of being terrible, then the first thing I always think to accuse them of is the same thing that I'm doing because its always at the forefront of my mind." Its related to projection, but the thought process is more succinct and different because it gets applied to the most random situations where the accusation makes little sense. Its got vibes of the Telltale Heart, where instead of the guy just freaking out at the end he starts randomly accusing the police of being the REAL murderers.
It's a variant of the typical-minded fallacy, imo. That's my take on it, atleast.
If you're not familiar with it; TLDR, you assume that the way 'you' think is identical to the way others think.
Maybe people see animated depictions of children being sexualized and are disturbed by it? No, it couldn’t be that.
I think the New Testament offers some solid guidance on the matter (by way of inference, because anime hadn't been invented yet).
Loli, created by adults, harms you, but no innocents. If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. You ought to stop, but you get to live.
Child abuse? Jesus Christ himself passed judgement on that one, and his recommendation was you kill yourself because there are worse sins than suicide.
People who don't think it's possible to oppose both are missing the fact that in the foundational work of Western morality, desiring the wrong thing and doing the wrong thing are both sins. "You shall not covet thy neighbor's wife" and "You shall not commit adultery" are separate commandments for a reason - not least of which because desiring something sinful is the first step on the road to acting on that desire.
Perhaps it is my own blindness outside my moral foundation, but I cannot fathom how anyone could fail to see a good-faith objection to producing or consooming sexualized images of fictional children. To me, it is impossible not to reach the conclusion that both are bad, even if one is far worse.
For me I can certainly understand how one could object in good faith. My issue doesn't come with "I think this is bad." My issue, and I suspect it is similar for most others, comes due to the fact that those objections are always a razor's edge from the continuation of "...and I think it should be banned."
Add in the context under which this discussion tends to be had. Things like anime and manga have held out against woke retardation and caving to moralist retards much better than other mediums. There's a general consensus that all it will take is a single major crack to form in that armor before the floodgates open and a lot of good shit gets ruined.
All that to explain why virtue signaling how much one hates lolis is irritating.
I mean, intentionally misspelling it is a bit too much... And I think you meant "antis are the real pros"
There's a sociopath reaction you'll see in some people where if they see higher order emotion - joy, happiness, etc - it reflexively makes them angry.
That's who I've always suspected it is. In women it's the fat woman who waddles over and is hysterical that you're flirting a bit with her friend.
It's projection almost 100% of the time from the loudest activists.
Unfortunately, age-gates often come with digital ID methods.
I guess one other way to go about age-gating could be to put the legal burden on (ir)responsible adults. IE, make it illegal for adults with Internet access to allow access to minors. Make it fineable, possibly prosecutable.
Not easy or practical to enforce of course, but a bit more preferable to typical nanny-state methods that might be pushed.
It's one of those things you feel like should be put in place but when you go through it logically and logistically, you see all the flaws that come with it.
It's like the death penalty if you don't have a robust legal system. There's some criminals that should die to protect the rest of society but giving that power to a morally corrupt legal institution is too risky.
This is the way it should be, imo. Parents have ultimate responsibility over their kids, not the state.
They should just ask your year of birth and then ask you to rank Hot Chicks from the time period in a period-appropriate order.
also without making a real id system. something i would vehemently oppose as it would be a corrupt tin tyrants dream, we just gotta take their think of the children argument and shove it up thier ass. as mark twain said censorship is like telling a man he cant have steak because a baby cant chew it, no more child proofing the net. teach parrents how to use a hosts file to premptivly blacklist sites and share a black list the less top down control the better also ditch mobile.
If this is true, you'll have no trouble providing some links covering some of this crap, right?
Trust, but verify.
I have a great deal of trouble providing links. The owner went into "Delete Fucking Everything" mode very fast when this got out, and the sites that were hosting the chat leaks and other definitive proof pulled them down under fake DMCAs and law enforcement threats. I was also a bit late to the party, only getting word a day after it all went down. What details exist are on Kiwifarms, but I've only been able to access it about 10% of the time and can't get archives to go through. The best I have is a bookmarked link to the discussion thread: https://sneed.today/threads/soyjak-party-the-sharty.145349/
There's also a summary on 8chan, but I covered all its points in the OP.
The material was in the last ~10 pages. Notably Josh has banned further discussion outside this thread and all links to the site, which AFAIK is a first for Kiwifarms to do.
Only in response to others (specifically one guy) going on pro-loli rants. That's a natural reaction. Most people would be disgusted by the stuff if you force them to take a side. If you're talking about people randomly bringing the topic up out of nowhere then sure.
Perhaps in this specific thread, but if we are talking about the board in general, there have been some posts over the months that aren't just made in response to that guy. I specifically remember people whining when they realized the people who want to desperately distance themselves from loli stuff as much as possible as some weird virtue signal aren't a majority on this board.
No you pedo faggots keep bringing up pro loli shit then sperging when people rightly react negatively. The posts are still there so why are you trying to lie?
I never said or implied there aren't instances of people bringing up loli in a non-negative light. What I said was that people have made anti loli posts that aren't just merely in response to pro loli posts.
But you seem to be pretty emotional about it so I don't expect you to be able to comprehend that level of nuance.
No they don't you lying faggot. They literally defend it as not being pedophilia. Nobody even brings up legality except for the pro pedos
I don't necessarily think they are pedos, just degenerate coomers who are in the stage of their addiction where they need a higher level of transgression to get the same feels.
But I also don't want to hear about it.
IMO the first person who brings it up in a neutral space is the pedo.
For example the OP didn't need to mention it at all and his post would convey the exact same info, yet he did mention it "offhandedly" in order to push his agenda. That makes me suspicious.
You betcha! I hate lolicon. I think it's more accurate to say people at the intersection of anti-loli and pro-trans are suspicious. Which is basically saying that pedos are pedos.
I never heard of this place but the first thing that comes to mind upon reading your account of the matter is who has the time or inclination to even do this crap?? Like how can you spend this much time on the computer meddling and pissing around like this? Quite aside from the pederasty and corruption, like don’t these people have lives? Don’t people need to go do their laundry and go to work and cook dinner? This site is the only “social media” I use. I just can’t imagine finding the time or motivation to do anything like this, even if I was a depraved sick piece of shit.
You're gonna throw up in your ears a little, but there's a reason. My understanding is that "fresh" CP on darknet trading hubs is said to be worth more than cocaine on a pic-for-gram basis. These people are NEETs with unlimited free time because of how much money they make on the side from exploiting kids like this. If you want to know how bad it is, apparently the confirmed suicide was a 13 year old girl.
And while I described the soyjak site as "small" it was only so compared to 4chan. It had 40k regular daily users and over a million pageviews a day. Last I saw the bidding for someone to buy the domain from the head pedo was approaching $10,000.00.
Imagine if we had legitimate law enforcement, instead of an agency more concerned with protecting deviants from concerned parents, holding on to CP for leverage, and making sure the president's son has access to as many children as he wants.
We've seen what 'law' enforcement gets us. We need 'Justice' enforcement. Hand of God style.
The dangerous degenerates are the ones who make their whole lives about degeneracy.
That is why there was always historical social opposition to open homos.
Jesus Fucking Christ. Manmade horrors.
huh, are there any reason why these servers are used instead of setting up something more hardened?
traceability. set up your own servers and there is a paper trail back to you. there is nothing strange about connecting to a gaming chat server, so find a random abandoned one and join it and you are anonymous and disappear into the noise. They used to used video game text chat room until companies started keeping text chat logs and turning them over to law enforcement.
Nothing for sure, but my personal guess would be that its the equivalent of an outlaw gang holing up in a ghost town. Someplace theoretically in the open so nobody is suspicious of it, but also abandoned and uninteresting so no one pays attention to whats going on there.
Lol.. so basically cartoon loli is bad, but then they groom kids. Its like the same dynamic with sexy video gamr chars is bad, but can dress like a 2 dollar whore in real life.
Serious question, how of the anti-lolicon crusading is directed at clothed depictions, moes/chibis/-chans and other casual anime norms? That shit is more suspect than anything. I still object to nude and hardcore lolicon (along with abominable fetishes like tranny and scat), but desiring to criminalize it is arrogant and imprudent.
On this board none. I literally specify that I mean loli porn and im not asking for it to be banned just acknowledged they're degenerate pedos. They still go foaming at the mouth and love making false equivalences between porn and video games
You only think the equivalence is false because it torpedos your entire stance, and you know it. Playing Postal never made anybody want to go murder real people, and liking Prisma Illya cheesecake never made anyone want to abuse a real child. The entire argument is retarded on its face, which is why you knew you had to try and pre-emptively deflect it.
What I don't understand is why lolicon fans are attracted to it. Like what is sexually attractive about a hipless and breastless 5-year old character with all the physiological cues that say "protect and take care of me" instead of "fck me in the ass" like what happens in the doujins?
I'm not some big loli fan, though there are a handful of works and a couple specific artists that I've liked over the years. And as best I know its, "loli is just a subgenre of hentai, with the same appeal that normal hentai has." Nobody conflates it with actual kids any more than anyone conflates any other hentai with actual women, or poorly drawn Scooby Doo porn cartoons from the 90s with actual bestiality. Where it gets weird is when normalfags come out of the woodwork who clearly do conflate it with actual kids, which marks them as having some fucked up mental issues because lines on paper aren't people, and then these crazy people start yelling and judging and it gets ugly.
Imagine a bunch of old ladies barging in here yelling at everyone at how videogames are satanic and evil because you can play a mage in Skyrim "and thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." And fully and completely expected and demanded that you take them seriously. It comes across as the same level of insanity, but some normalfags are actually willing to lend an ear to their argument. Its dangerous not just to the Internet, but the whole scope of artistic freedom. And worse, it enables the pedos in their attacks on that subculture but the fart-huffing moralfags are too busy being smug to care.
Bro you wrote two paragraphs and never answered my question, which was what makes people find animated depictions of children sexually attractive? Like I'm setting aside my disgust for a second to just ask, "why?"
I answered you directly in the second sentence. People like it because its hentai, and they like hentai. If you're fishing for a philosophical dissertation on "why do people like a given genre of porn" I think you're looking for the meaning of life in a pile of leaves. Someone who likes hentai, and also likes Prisma Illya, is probably going to like Prisma Illya hentai (which would be loli) provided the specific work they're looking isn't using that person's anti-fetishes.
You didn't answer shit lol. Dudes like hentai because they're attracted to pretty girls with nice hips and/or big breasts. Depictions of sexual maturity. The vast majority of people who watch hentai (or porn) don't touch lolicon.
The rough equivalence to gratuitous violence is ephebophilia. We all joke about scoring points by running down pedestrians, and a man who finds no physical attraction to 17 years 364 days 23 hours 59 seconds 999 miliseconds old women has no inner monologue. Those are healthy impulses or invasive thoughts that don't correlate or have a common cause with other undesirable traits. You've got a dependable record of contribution to gamergate, so I trust that your occasional loli appreciation (iirc from one of your comments on this site) isn't anything more. However, the average person isn't dependable, and thus a random with a severe perversion is a danger of particular untrustworthiness. Be wary of unhinged individuals hijacking your website, just as normies have eternal september'd every sizable social phenomenon.
A fury gives off similar red flags to an HR drone putting up motivational posters and requesting pronouns; a lack of discernment, taste, or awareness, with a propensity for impressionability. Similarly, my concern with lolicon enthusiasts is that their minute preferences leak into other facets of their life, more than that a few can't separate fantasy from real life.
Don't give the pedos that inch. "But she's 17 years, 11 months, and 29 days old bro so I guess you're a pedo too bro." They want that so fucking badly, because they want to twist the label to cover as many human beings as possible instead of just their fucked up, child abusing selves. If everyone is a pedo then no one is, and that's what all their cage rattling is trying to accomplish because they know that it'll eventually get them a blank check, like how the blacks and the gays and the trannies have now.
Right, physical attraction. I wouldn't be involved with anyone under the age of 23. Heck, I couldn't stand most school-age girls when I was the same age. Many women remain emotionally immature past adolescence.
Ah yes, the old “people who object to animated child porn are the real pedophiles” gambit. Just like the old “people who object to the degenerate homosexual lifestyle are all closeted homos” chestnut.
Of course pedos try to obscure their perversion and degeneracy by pretending to aggressively oppose child pornography. And of course this would manifest as opposition towards the only moderately socially acceptable form of child porn, which is lolicon.
But this doesn’t excuse lolicon. The vast majority of people are disgusted by both pedophilia and animated depictions of pedophilia. The fact that pedos attack lolicon in order to hide their own sins is immaterial to any discussion about the evils of lolicon.
Two things can be bad at the same time. And just as it is convenient for pedos to point to lolicon say “look at that evil shit”, lolicon enthusiasts are latching on to a convenient narrative that redirects attention away from their own evil.
You degenerates are not mounting any kind of legitimate defense when you say “these pedos lied about hating loli porn, therefore anyone who opposes loli porn is a pedo, therefore loli porn is fine”. Pedos don’t actually hate loli porn, the vast majority of people who oppose loli porn are not pedos, and loli porn isn’t fine.
I've said it before but I feel the anti-loli shit is the wedge on the door they want to use to crack down anime. They'll complain about underage, aka 16-17 anime characters too, then about just any "young looking character", maybe also about extreme content like rape or sexual harrasment.
If you don't believe me there was some aussie politician complainig Harley Quinn was loli
It has been moving this way for a long time. Paying attention to various sites over the years where user-added tags are a critical aspect of how to search and find things has shown a very clear trend of the "loli" tag expanding in scope over time. It used to be just blatantly pre-pubescent girls. Like 12 and under. Now you are liable to see the tag on anything where one could potentially suspect a girl to be under 18.
Loli is absolutely what they want to be the first major domino to get their foot in the door to police anime. It's absolutely reasonable to think its disgusting but anyone letting them take an inch is a fool because there is zero way it stops there.
Fun fact: a lot of those anti lolis have 15 year old anime characters being sexualised in their twitter likes(Usually Marin Kitagawa from the anime my dressup darling). It's not even funny anymore, every single time. If we hold them by their standard they're doing the exact same thing they claim to fight against(which is still retarded but whatever).
Except pedo fags on here defend actual loli porn of characters that are clearly depicted as young children
This is reasonable, as is your close "the vast majority of people who oppose loli porn are not pedos", if by oppose you mean you polled them and they said "yes it should be illegal." But not if you mean setting up "anti-loli brigades" and raiding 4chan boards which this is about. The thing is, how many normal non-pedos have the time or inclination to actively campaign against the stuff when it doesn't involve real children? Unless they are working for the feds or some NGO, I doubt people are going to obscure imageboards to lecture people about the sins of cartoon porn. We would rather avoid those places. So no I don't think it's an understatement to claim "anyone who vocally hates anime lolis... is guaranteed to be a fucking pedophile". If only because normal people don't have time for that shit.
On the other hand normal people bringing up our disgust when the topic arises (as in right now) seems perfectly fine. Claiming "you're anti-loli you must be the real lolicon" is indeed an extreme take, and possibly projection.
To add to that, lolicon bans don't impact the groomer pathway because that's based on identity and sexuality. So it's a safe, no-cost cover for them.
Also the vast majority of people would line up on the anti-loli side, but most of them are effectively neutral because they simply don't know about its existence. Like Tucker Carlson has no idea what a loli is. And why is that? Because loli has no institutional champions and lacks the popular support of other fandom, so it is one of the only true fringe subcultures left.
You're completely fucked in the head because you think there's an equivalence of evil in looking at drawings of imaginary characters and sexually exploiting real, living, thinking, feeling children. You sit there and let that sink in for a second. Take in the scope of that delusion.
If your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. You ought to stop, but you get to live.
Child abuse? Jesus Christ himself passed judgement on that one, and his recommendation was you kill yourself because there are worse sins than suicide.
Your inability to say "these two things are bad, but this one is far worse" belies a complete disinterest in moral thought.
Elephants mourn for lost loved ones. Squirrels 'plan' for the future. Dogs dream about chasing prey - they 'practice'. The only human behavior that has no equivalent in the animal kingdom is abstraction.
If you cannot see how desiring childlike appearance and behavior sexually is bad for you and should be abhorred, perhaps you are incapable of that abstract thinking.
Before a monster preys on a child, s/he desires to do so. If you feel even a shadow of that same desire, it is your moral obligation to fight against it, not to exercise it for the brief moment of gratification it brings you, you self-righteous twat.
DRAWINGS ARE NOT CHILDREN. You definitely need Jesus but not in the way you're trying.
Sure, and corpses aren't people. I reserve my right to call necrophiliacs disgusting abominations.
There are phrases for certain personalities - Zealots, Fanatics, Psychopaths.
There is a difference between normal people who simply dislike lolicon vs people who use popular dislike of it to mask their real obsessiveness where they need to periodically conquer and destroy something to feel like they're important. They destroy all the normal people who want to live normal lives, those people find they have to become a fanatic about something in order to stay afloat.
I've been called out for being neutral to loli on here before because apparently not wanting to ban/censor a form of drawing makes me as bad as a child abuser. I have the feeling it's a lot more people who are either projecting or hopefully just not seeing reason than just those 500 such cases.
Also, sauce on those 500 cases? I wanna read up on those cases, seems very useful for discussions on the topic.
Found it, courtesy of 8chan anon: https://archive.fo/Ia5ZH
Someone on Twitter started it a while back, and some of our friends have kept it mostly up to date.
Original sadly got nuked but I am not surprised. Anything that isn't pro "THE MESSAGE" gets nuked on imgur now.
Unrelated but good band name
I understand the sentiment but it depends on the context. There are many factions.
If the person is very vocally anti loli and is a leftist, then 95% chance they are either a pedo or just a fat ugly feminist who doesn't like things that guys find cute. If they are more right leaning then its likely they are just beating the moralistic drum over it because they consider it analagous to CP; it's annoying and they're dumb but I wouldn't consider it likely to be projection in their case.
A gross oversimplification but over the years it's hard not to notice these pretty noticeable groups.
So, fedbois at it again or...?
I honestly think the same type of regreesive leftist sick fucks are what led to Kiwifarms owner Joshua Conner "null" Moon to shut down his personal chan site 9chan.tw. He thinks pissed off loli lovers did it because he is a retard, and thus became an anti-loli sperg dispite previously admiting to liking it, also the other possibility was his site got spammed by corrupt government agents.
That was a really long winded defense of cartoon child porn and a truly unsubtle attack on anyone who is against promotion of cartoon child porn.
Why can't you disgusting people just not talk about your gross fetishes?
Seriously nobody would care about homos or trannies if they didn't constantly try to justify themselves and inflict their deviance on normal people who want nothing to do with it.
Seriously. The state of people in the world is scary. Not being able to tell fantasy from reality is insanity, but what do you call putting fantasy as being more important than reality? It's some blue-and-orange shit.
Where did he call for censorship. This is just an obvious deflection on your part. One set of pedos doesn't make another set of pedos any better
Extended exposure to porn does have negative effects on the brain, so maybe, just possibly it could have something to do with that?
Edit: Mainly talking about the whole desensitization thing
Because the media was freaking out years and years ago I played that Rape game once out of curiosity(I forgot the name, was pretty meh)...I never raped anyone in my life. Same as with shooters. I've probably caused multiple genocides, I've hunted animals to extinction and have committed war crimes beyond believe. Yet, I'd never do something like that IRL. It's the exact same argument and I wholeheartedly agree with you.
Deviant sexual arousal literally increases the likelihood of committing sexual crimes but sure pedo you shouldn't be condemned for you sick shit.
I don't have to accept one group of pedos just because a worse group exist. You people would literally get curb stomped in real life and you know it. You're a fucking degenerate
Literally the same logic used by the "MAP" movement because yall are the same