My GF and I were considering buying the new Lexus EV RZ450e. She currently drives a Lexus hybrid. Neither of us are environmentalists at all, the sole purpose of the EV was to have lower cost-per-mile as a commuter car & bc I didn't want her to get a Tesla.
But after I did more research - the huge battery pack in EVs does NOT last over long timeframes. You can still drive a ICE car that is 20 years old, no problem. But an EV isn't going to last because the battery degrades over time. And replacing the battery is so expensive it isn't realistic to do on an old, depreciated car anyway.
Even if you don't keep your car 10+ years, this still matters because it means EVs will depreciate far more aggressively than ICE cars, because the buyer knows that he's buying limited battery life.
She also got in an accident in her hybrid and what would have been maybe a $2k repair turned into an $8-9k repair, and on top of that a lot of repair shops wouldn't even touch it out of fear of dealing with the battery.
It's compartmentalized environmentalism. The child slaves mining the rare earth needed for EVs in African strip mines are intentionally left out by the 'carbon footprint calculations' and ESG posturing of the anointed. It's even blinder than business-as-usual, because everyone's eating the peeling lead-based green paint chips peeling off the greenwashed business model with gusto. It's sweet like candy and nobody wants to say that these new practices are at least equally destructive compared to traditional technologies.
All the Anointed want is a dream of a clean green grid, paid for by taxing the existing infrastructure past the point of collapse, so they can ride around in their carbon-neutral EVs which will be powered by wind, sun, and unicorn farts-- while the world spins ever closer to a Great Collapse.
I think I know how the rank and file Romans felt as their world teetered towards the trade collapse that preceded the Dark Ages.
And every video I've seen of Lithium mines is literally children just digging out of the ground with damn near their bare hands. Like that's the dirty secret behind all these EV batteries.
The quantity of lithium needed for 10 years of driving an EV vs the quantity of oil required for 10 years of driving an ICE vehicle is not really comparable.
Yea, batteries are consumables. That's the huge downside of all that electric mobility crap like cars and bikes.
That's IMHO what most of this "for the climate" nonsense is about: it's a grift, a money grab and further wealth redistribution from the bottom and middle to the top.
Between devaluation, planned obsolescence and making it economically unfeasible to resell used products those who are pushing these "green" energies are set up to profit MASSIVELY.
It's planned obsolescence on a massive scale. Apparently environment-death-cultists haven't figured out that the best way to preserve the environment is to build things that last.
First car I owned wasn't work fixing at 140k. Rust panels on the sides, alignment that couldn't be fixed so you had to drive with the wheel turned to one side, and like 6 other things wrong with it.
I bought a Prius...and the battery pack is still good 14 years later...I think it's at 250k now?
I don't really trust "research" on this stuff because it's typically a whole lot of crap. None of the b.s.ing on about the Prius turned out to be true. There's a couple of things I dislike about it...none of those things were what the online crowd was whining on about though. Literally all the things they said were bad about it weren't true, and all the things that actually were bad on it weren't mentioned online.
IMHO Hydrogen is the future, outside of Nuclear Fusion.
Since a decade or so back (think 15-20 years?), the electrical and mechanical portions are ready.
Problem at the time and still is, is managing a fuel supply that doesn't have exorbitant costs.
Hydrogen is always stuck onto something else so there needs to be a process to scrape it off and that means it's difficult to turn it into direct alternative for oil and gas.
The genius who manages to do that will become rich as fuck.
Not sure about the Rivian but the electric F-150 has 120v/240v outlets all over the place, so it's quite possible seemingly minor damage could lead to electrical fires.
That's one of the big problems with EVs is making them safe.
A normal gas car if it turns on and runs for a bit without catching fire you're probably fine, in an EV it might run fine for weeks before it spontaneously ignites in your garage.
Specialized body shop charging whatever they want. They rebuilt the car. Probably a lot of labor in that. I guess all Rivians are kinda new, so they didn't want to total it.
I don't really trust the anti-EV articles any more than the pro-EV ones.
This just sounds like he got ripped off by his repair place.
He went on to say that the insurance company for the woman who rear-ended him assessed the damage, estimated the repairs would cost $1,600 and wrote him a check for that amount.
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Turns out, they were more than $40,000 off the mark.
The shop he sent his truck to "completely disassembled" the back of the truck, according to Apfelstadt, and discovered much more damage than previously thought based on exterior inspection alone — so much more that the "final bill" for his fender bender came to more than $42,000. Apfelstadt told Just The News the "at-fault driver's insurance covered the entire repair bill" since her policy had a $50,000 cap.
Repair place saw big $$$ that would get covered automatically by the insurance company and moved in.
My GF and I were considering buying the new Lexus EV RZ450e. She currently drives a Lexus hybrid. Neither of us are environmentalists at all, the sole purpose of the EV was to have lower cost-per-mile as a commuter car & bc I didn't want her to get a Tesla.
But after I did more research - the huge battery pack in EVs does NOT last over long timeframes. You can still drive a ICE car that is 20 years old, no problem. But an EV isn't going to last because the battery degrades over time. And replacing the battery is so expensive it isn't realistic to do on an old, depreciated car anyway.
Even if you don't keep your car 10+ years, this still matters because it means EVs will depreciate far more aggressively than ICE cars, because the buyer knows that he's buying limited battery life.
She also got in an accident in her hybrid and what would have been maybe a $2k repair turned into an $8-9k repair, and on top of that a lot of repair shops wouldn't even touch it out of fear of dealing with the battery.
“Good luck everybody!”
“I turn now!”
Well lithium is strip mined, so no it's not better.
I love how people selectively ignore how some of these "green" things are actually made. And also what happens to them when they expire.
It's compartmentalized environmentalism. The child slaves mining the rare earth needed for EVs in African strip mines are intentionally left out by the 'carbon footprint calculations' and ESG posturing of the anointed. It's even blinder than business-as-usual, because everyone's eating the peeling lead-based green paint chips peeling off the greenwashed business model with gusto. It's sweet like candy and nobody wants to say that these new practices are at least equally destructive compared to traditional technologies.
All the Anointed want is a dream of a clean green grid, paid for by taxing the existing infrastructure past the point of collapse, so they can ride around in their carbon-neutral EVs which will be powered by wind, sun, and unicorn farts-- while the world spins ever closer to a Great Collapse.
I think I know how the rank and file Romans felt as their world teetered towards the trade collapse that preceded the Dark Ages.
Lithium mining also requires ridiculous amounts of water.
And every video I've seen of Lithium mines is literally children just digging out of the ground with damn near their bare hands. Like that's the dirty secret behind all these EV batteries.
We had a lithium battery factory go up in flames here last week. big fire hazards
Lithium mining is much worse.
The quantity of lithium needed for 10 years of driving an EV vs the quantity of oil required for 10 years of driving an ICE vehicle is not really comparable.
Yea, batteries are consumables. That's the huge downside of all that electric mobility crap like cars and bikes.
That's IMHO what most of this "for the climate" nonsense is about: it's a grift, a money grab and further wealth redistribution from the bottom and middle to the top.
Between devaluation, planned obsolescence and making it economically unfeasible to resell used products those who are pushing these "green" energies are set up to profit MASSIVELY.
It's planned obsolescence on a massive scale. Apparently environment-death-cultists haven't figured out that the best way to preserve the environment is to build things that last.
First car I owned wasn't work fixing at 140k. Rust panels on the sides, alignment that couldn't be fixed so you had to drive with the wheel turned to one side, and like 6 other things wrong with it.
I bought a Prius...and the battery pack is still good 14 years later...I think it's at 250k now?
I don't really trust "research" on this stuff because it's typically a whole lot of crap. None of the b.s.ing on about the Prius turned out to be true. There's a couple of things I dislike about it...none of those things were what the online crowd was whining on about though. Literally all the things they said were bad about it weren't true, and all the things that actually were bad on it weren't mentioned online.
One of the many reasons that Japan is betting on hydrogen instead of lithium
It's also easily retrofitted with existing internal combustion engines, unlike the brick-on-wheels EVs.
You mean hydrogen combustion or??? Fuel cells just generate electricity, so you need an electric motor.
IMHO Hydrogen is the future, outside of Nuclear Fusion.
Since a decade or so back (think 15-20 years?), the electrical and mechanical portions are ready. Problem at the time and still is, is managing a fuel supply that doesn't have exorbitant costs.
Hydrogen is always stuck onto something else so there needs to be a process to scrape it off and that means it's difficult to turn it into direct alternative for oil and gas.
The genius who manages to do that will become rich as fuck.
I have a revolutionary idea where we can store hydrogen on long chains of carbon.
Enlightened! What shall we call these... hydro-carbons?
EVs are a con job. Only rich people can afford them and they buy them as status symbols.
But muh federal tax breaks.
The government loves giving tax breaks to relatively rich people.
Not sure about the Rivian but the electric F-150 has 120v/240v outlets all over the place, so it's quite possible seemingly minor damage could lead to electrical fires.
That's one of the big problems with EVs is making them safe.
A normal gas car if it turns on and runs for a bit without catching fire you're probably fine, in an EV it might run fine for weeks before it spontaneously ignites in your garage.
Okay...so what exactly is the $42,000 for? Or does the "hidden costs" in the headline mean hidden from the reader?
It's to buy another car that will tow this one.
Specialized body shop charging whatever they want. They rebuilt the car. Probably a lot of labor in that. I guess all Rivians are kinda new, so they didn't want to total it.
I don't really trust the anti-EV articles any more than the pro-EV ones.
This just sounds like he got ripped off by his repair place.
Repair place saw big $$$ that would get covered automatically by the insurance company and moved in.
Sounds like a combination of Rivians being sucky to repair and the repair shop running up the bill.
I'd charge copious amounts of money to repair an 800V death brick too. That's fucking hazard pay.