this. just like asians and latinos are allowed to get uppity for people not being specific, or when people call jews white and get corrected or called racist...
Might be sensible in Europe, in America we're all mutts with the exception of being of European descent.
It's like saying "Black descendents of slaves should opt out of being black and identify with their original tribes"; most of us don't even know where we come from or what our people are even like.
About half of the US was German at one point, which is why it's sad anyone was convinced to go to war against our brothers, in any war.
“No Rothschild is English. No Baruch, Morgenthau, Cohen, Lehman, Warburg, Kuhn, Kahn, Schiff, Sieff or Solomon was ever born Anglo-Saxon. And it is for this filth that you fight. It is for this filth that you murdered your Empire. It is this filth that elects, selects, your politicians.'”
-- Ezra Pound radio speech, 1941
That movie true romance where dennis hopper tells the sicillians that were gonna him the history of sicillians where the moors invaded sicilly and fucked all the women. And all sicillians are part "eggplant" lol.
"White" is a reference to a species whereas Italian is a subspecies. Preferring your more specific label to differentiate you from all the rest makes sense.
You can literally tell the difference between mongoloid, negroid, and caucusoid skulls once you've been taught, just like you can tell a man from a man based on bones. The only reason we stopped using it was because after WW2 and eugenics it became "wacist" to even acknowledge biological race instead of "social race."
As far as the global war on my existence goes, I'll accept the millennial American perspective that White is a skin color.
In a perfect world, though, Meds (among others) are definitely out. The folks who get such a kick out of quoting "13/60" have a real hard time with the fact that the FBI exists because of the organized crime of a demographic that was 2% of the population at the time (and for once we're not talking small hats).
According to government documents Italians were considered to be a distinct race. This largely fell out of favor after the 1970s. But even in some categories they'll count as a minority for college admissions in some states.
Prior to the 1970s, once again depending on state, had races listed as white, black, Italian, or Puerto Rican. Just based on population and frequency.
I have heard of Italian people so dark they are routinely mistaken for the Mestizo kind of nonwhite though. (not getting into an argument about whether Italian people are white).
Depends on who you ask. If you'd ask back around the early 1900s, you'd get a resounding no. In fact, Italian immigration was opposed by White Americans.
But now? Even some Aryans will tell you they're White.
I guess it comes down to whether you're needed or not.
For example, Nick Fuentes and Jon Minadeo have Mexican ancestory and they're leaders of White Nationalism and not many White Nats/Nat Socs seem to care.
But if the White Nat/Nat Soc movement were a lot stronger, I doubt they'd even be allowed anywhere near.
Fuentes has always gotten some degree of shit for being Mexican. He became the "leader" of White Nationalism because...the alt-right guys who rose to prominence around 2016 got kicked off everything. The audience moved to him because he was one of the few guys left standing.
He's also been all over the place politically. He spouted WN talking points, even flirting with Holobunga denial but also ends up working with Milo (gay Jew), Loony Loomer (Psychotic Jewess), and Ali Akbar (literal niggerfaggot). Then, he comes all the way back around to Ye 2024, running on the "I Love Hitler" platform, which for some reason also had Milo on its staff. You can read more about the rise and fall of Fuentes and his conflicts with other White Nationalists here.
I actually don't disagree with what you're saying about Fuentes other than
He became the "leader" of White Nationalism because
To be clear I never said he was "the leader," just one of many.
With that said, he's mostly had a pretty strong Pro-White America stance and built his rep off of that but, like you said, he is all over the place and generally can't be trusted.
Complex question historically, depends how tightly you define it. There are, and were, those who would exclude Italian from that definition. Irish too.
Hey Schlomo, why are you repeating talking points of communist, white-hating Jew Noel Ignatiev? He's always been full of shit. These people were allowed in whites-only institutions unless specifically excluded (i.e. "No Irish"). WASP might have considered them lowly and in doing so, call them not white, but they were always white.
PS: Try not to cowardly delete your anti-white comment this time.
That's just a way of insulting them, like calling a man who everyone knows is straight a faggot. The bad actors who make this argument equate white with WASP. That's not accurate.
If you have a chance to pass as non-white you need to take it. Victimhood by association. I can see why they would jump at the opportunity.
There is little to no chance it will work but worth a try.
I haven’t heard anyone do that, but it wouldn’t be surprising. In this day and age with the progressive stack rankings, people are gonna try and finagle their way up the stack, even if only slightly, because of the better treatment you receive in their lefty bubbles. I’m sure we’ll hear an increase in talk you used to hear, like “the Italians and Irish weren’t really considered white until 1900” — people will make any claim to get away from the standard white guy base of the stack, if they believe in the stack to begin with. Of course the WASPs are stuck, they’re only option is to go trans.
Didn't the largest lynching event in American history involve hanging a bunch of Italians?
Even HP Lovecraft's autistic racism was directed in large part against non-English immigrants, commonly seen as anarchists and other troublemakers (not without a reason, for example a Polish anarchist shot dead an American president and there were a lot of bombings and riots and such), not to mention common and organised criminals.
Didn't the largest lynching event in American history involve hanging a bunch of Italians?
It was, though its worth noting that it was over a police chief being killed and them thinking it was "organized crime" was the problem.
So less racism against Italians and more "the mafia is basically an Italian Supremacist terrorist group and we are scared of them." Because you can't have a crime ring that only lets your people in and then get mad people don't like your people. Which sucks for those not in it.
Because when it happened and for the next several decades, the organized crime problem in America was as big as the problem with blacks today in terms of "constant horrors upon every community they touch." And the biggest one was usually the Italians, who were pretty specific about that as well.
All whites should opt out of racial categorization and into their ethnic tribes.
this. just like asians and latinos are allowed to get uppity for people not being specific, or when people call jews white and get corrected or called racist...
when someone calls you white, correct them.
Might be sensible in Europe, in America we're all mutts with the exception of being of European descent.
It's like saying "Black descendents of slaves should opt out of being black and identify with their original tribes"; most of us don't even know where we come from or what our people are even like.
About half of the US was German at one point, which is why it's sad anyone was convinced to go to war against our brothers, in any war.
“No Rothschild is English. No Baruch, Morgenthau, Cohen, Lehman, Warburg, Kuhn, Kahn, Schiff, Sieff or Solomon was ever born Anglo-Saxon. And it is for this filth that you fight. It is for this filth that you murdered your Empire. It is this filth that elects, selects, your politicians.'” -- Ezra Pound radio speech, 1941
American ancestry chart
Dunno, maybe this junkie Hitler shouldn't have declared war on America then.
Racial politics work great if you’re allowed to participate in them.
Prison is a microcosm proving multiculturalism doesn't work.
Races in general need to be separated for the sake of peace, allowing for exceptions.
Multiculturalism is a globalist communist scam by central bankers to weaken nations so they collapse into chaos can be more easily ruled (enslaved).
demographics is destiny, an politics should protect racial boundaries as they once did in the US.
The Irish for example need someone who's Irish to look out for them, not a brown guy who has no racial ties and will replace/harm them, no loyalty.
Ah yes, tribalism, one of the oldest instincts we have and still seen in most animals just "doesn't work" because women somehow hacked the code.
Of course they're not white. They're part eggplant.
That movie true romance where dennis hopper tells the sicillians that were gonna him the history of sicillians where the moors invaded sicilly and fucked all the women. And all sicillians are part "eggplant" lol.
Some are Mediterranean but those still fall under Caucasian. This has to be some neo liberal shit.
Caucasians are on the other side of the Black Sea, quite far from the Med.
"White" is a reference to a species whereas Italian is a subspecies. Preferring your more specific label to differentiate you from all the rest makes sense.
White is a species. There's about 4 distinct species of humans:
Everything else is a hybrid and/or subspecies more-or-less.
You can literally tell the difference between mongoloid, negroid, and caucusoid skulls once you've been taught, just like you can tell a man from a man based on bones. The only reason we stopped using it was because after WW2 and eugenics it became "wacist" to even acknowledge biological race instead of "social race."
Source?
As far as the global war on my existence goes, I'll accept the millennial American perspective that White is a skin color.
In a perfect world, though, Meds (among others) are definitely out. The folks who get such a kick out of quoting "13/60" have a real hard time with the fact that the FBI exists because of the organized crime of a demographic that was 2% of the population at the time (and for once we're not talking small hats).
"But the poverty of the Mezzo-Giorno...."
The New York Italian Mob wanted to emulate the small hat crowd so they started like the Italian Anti-Defemation League or something.
According to government documents Italians were considered to be a distinct race. This largely fell out of favor after the 1970s. But even in some categories they'll count as a minority for college admissions in some states.
Prior to the 1970s, once again depending on state, had races listed as white, black, Italian, or Puerto Rican. Just based on population and frequency.
Nope. That's crazy.
I have heard of Italian people so dark they are routinely mistaken for the Mestizo kind of nonwhite though. (not getting into an argument about whether Italian people are white).
Sounds like you've heard of Sicilians.
Depends on who you ask. If you'd ask back around the early 1900s, you'd get a resounding no. In fact, Italian immigration was opposed by White Americans.
But now? Even some Aryans will tell you they're White.
I guess it comes down to whether you're needed or not.
For example, Nick Fuentes and Jon Minadeo have Mexican ancestory and they're leaders of White Nationalism and not many White Nats/Nat Socs seem to care.
But if the White Nat/Nat Soc movement were a lot stronger, I doubt they'd even be allowed anywhere near.
I don't think you follow White Nationalist politics very much. XD
I don't think you refuted any of my claims XD
Fuentes has always gotten some degree of shit for being Mexican. He became the "leader" of White Nationalism because...the alt-right guys who rose to prominence around 2016 got kicked off everything. The audience moved to him because he was one of the few guys left standing.
He's also been all over the place politically. He spouted WN talking points, even flirting with Holobunga denial but also ends up working with Milo (gay Jew), Loony Loomer (Psychotic Jewess), and Ali Akbar (literal niggerfaggot). Then, he comes all the way back around to Ye 2024, running on the "I Love Hitler" platform, which for some reason also had Milo on its staff. You can read more about the rise and fall of Fuentes and his conflicts with other White Nationalists here.
https://dailyrake.ca/2021/11/28/kiwifarms-felts-e-boy-nick-fuentes-part-1/
I actually don't disagree with what you're saying about Fuentes other than
To be clear I never said he was "the leader," just one of many.
With that said, he's mostly had a pretty strong Pro-White America stance and built his rep off of that but, like you said, he is all over the place and generally can't be trusted.
He is so much worse than can't be trusted. He's had a pedo scandal with that Ali faggot.
America First is a federal honeypot filled with jews, gays, niggers, pedophiles, and various combinations of the aforementioned.
In the exact same way that French people aren't white because their immigration was opposed in Canada...
Complex question historically, depends how tightly you define it. There are, and were, those who would exclude Italian from that definition. Irish too.
Hey Schlomo, why are you repeating talking points of communist, white-hating Jew Noel Ignatiev? He's always been full of shit. These people were allowed in whites-only institutions unless specifically excluded (i.e. "No Irish"). WASP might have considered them lowly and in doing so, call them not white, but they were always white.
PS: Try not to cowardly delete your anti-white comment this time.
That's what he said.
(He was probably mistaken about the Scots. It's like not many cared about the Welsh, despite them being even more Celtic and not Germanic.)
That's just a way of insulting them, like calling a man who everyone knows is straight a faggot. The bad actors who make this argument equate white with WASP. That's not accurate.
The Scottish had upwards mobility in the UK, had seats in the British parliament and one of them united the kingdoms by virtue of his royal lineage.
If you have a chance to pass as non-white you need to take it. Victimhood by association. I can see why they would jump at the opportunity. There is little to no chance it will work but worth a try.
[opera music starts playing]
[Dennis Hopper asks the mobsters for a cigarette]
I haven’t heard anyone do that, but it wouldn’t be surprising. In this day and age with the progressive stack rankings, people are gonna try and finagle their way up the stack, even if only slightly, because of the better treatment you receive in their lefty bubbles. I’m sure we’ll hear an increase in talk you used to hear, like “the Italians and Irish weren’t really considered white until 1900” — people will make any claim to get away from the standard white guy base of the stack, if they believe in the stack to begin with. Of course the WASPs are stuck, they’re only option is to go trans.
Didn't the largest lynching event in American history involve hanging a bunch of Italians?
Even HP Lovecraft's autistic racism was directed in large part against non-English immigrants, commonly seen as anarchists and other troublemakers (not without a reason, for example a Polish anarchist shot dead an American president and there were a lot of bombings and riots and such), not to mention common and organised criminals.
It was, though its worth noting that it was over a police chief being killed and them thinking it was "organized crime" was the problem.
So less racism against Italians and more "the mafia is basically an Italian Supremacist terrorist group and we are scared of them." Because you can't have a crime ring that only lets your people in and then get mad people don't like your people. Which sucks for those not in it.
Because when it happened and for the next several decades, the organized crime problem in America was as big as the problem with blacks today in terms of "constant horrors upon every community they touch." And the biggest one was usually the Italians, who were pretty specific about that as well.
Well I'm an European (in Europe).
Many Southern Italians are not white. Their ancestors were invaded and raped by Arabs.
I do the same. Who the hell identifies as white. Thats a scin pigment not my culture
This is just as retarded as saying Slavs aren't White, they're both White is the answer
Then Italians aren't black either.
Those are called Sicilians.