Conservatives are not the ones who terrorise authors and get them to be ACTUALLY banned, like dropped by their publishers or removed from retailers. That's absolutely the left.
What the right does, namely having books removed from school mandatory reading lists and children's reach at libraries, is not book banning. You can buy your little Timmy any books with explicit sex acts and transgenderism and other degeneracy! Do it if you wish. But he won't be forced to read it at school or get handed by some school librarian they/them freak.
It's also different in the sense that parents should absolutely have the right to monitor what their children are learning. Like how is it that lib parents have aneurysms if the kids at school learn about Christianity in a positive way, yet normal parents have to let their kids be shown pornography and other disturbing content?
When liberals attack, they are random human wastes bullying people on twitter and contacting their publishers. Quite different from a parent whose child if the one being actively shown things.
One of several reasons. They're lying, they're stupid, or both.
If you can buy it for yourself it's not banned. If it's taken out of a children's library because it's blatantly pedophilia, that's not banned. That's just basic human decency, and these freaks can't even manage that.
Whoever you're talking to is a leftist subhuman. You won't win an argument with them whether you're right or not, because they wouldn't know good faith if it threw them out of a helicopter.
So why do I see people on twitter and instagram making this argument.
Uh, because they think they can use such arguments to (continue to) get their way culturally.
People can argue anything they want. And it might seem to have merit if you see that argument over and over, but it doesn't mean it's not bullshit fed from their handlers and thought leaders.
"How come I hear leftists say that conservatives are bad and wrong?" Uh, because they need to paint them that way to move things in the directions they want.
No having books in a school library is not banning them. Any teacher who hands “gender queer” to a student is no different than handing them a playboy magazine. Also hilarious coming from the political movement than banned everything from Mein Kampf to The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, while rewriting every classic that could be considered problematic.
All exercises of government power are authoritarian
If people just voluntarily did the right thing all of the time we wouldn't need a government
The whole point of a government is to cause harm to the people who don't do the right thing, as defined by the people who control the government.
They say it is authoritarian to not show gay porn to little kids, I say it is authoritarian to do so. The person who has the power to enforce his will is the one who is "right".
If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. -- James Madison, The Federalist No. 51, 6 February 1788
they would point out that they're preventing extremely sexual content reaching children who have barely entered puberty and then show examples as DeSantis did
As DeSantis did. It's been done, it's being done. The problem is the left doesn't agree that doing this is a problem. In fact it's quite the opposite
If they had any balls they'd actually fully ban those books and tell the leftists to fuck themselves, instead of kids
It's largely bullshit. The only place conservatives are doing anything close to this are in public schools.
Meanwhile, leftists will outright target books for modification or outright elimination at multiple levels. Whether that be going after the author, the publisher, distributors, etc.
Providing minors with pornographic material is a crime.
taxes should not be used to finance groomers and the above mentioned crime.
tell the soycucks that a loading question isn't an argument.
tell the soycucks that if they argue in bad faith you automatically are the winner of the argument.
tell the soycucks that if they don't stop lying to try to come out right from every issue, then debating will fail to solve the problems, when debating fail, old good primeval violence comes back.
First, we have to look at scale. Who is using the State to push more language conformity? The left has been politicizing public (aka government) schools for decades. The right is finally fighting back and trying to remove some of the things that never belonged in that government/public setting in the first place. Which is also, importantly, not a "book ban."
If "freedom" is letting the leftists in power control everything and dictate our values...I'm shelving the last of my libertarian ideals. It's standard leftist modus operandi; step all over everyone, then call the other side a tyrant when they eventually fight back. "You're only a good person if you conform to my paradigm, if not you're a hypocrite due to your own ideals."
No, the leftists need a cultural beatdown. It's got nothing to do with free speech. Undoing leftists intrusions is good. These locusts can get fucked.
Did anyone else listen to Adventures in Odyssey as a kid? There was an episode about this exact situation with a slanderous liberal accusing a teacher of "not respecting freedom of speech" when she was trying to get inappropriate books out of the school library. And that episode aired in back in '93!
A distinction has long been drawn between educational materials and those that serve the prurient interest, ie fap fuel. One may disagree about where that line lies. It doesn't make the people who disagree with you book burners. It simply means you disagree about the character of certain materials.
To fight monsters you'll have to become a Claymore. I don't care about the methods or moral high ground anymore. Trying not to stoop down to their level is why we are losing. No more! Ban books, cancel and censor leftists whenever we can.
There are two types of freedom. These are "advanced" freedom discussion topics. Your pioneers in the subject of liberalism were well-aware of the two types of freedom.
There is negative liberty which is being unrestrained from doing anything. Generally, when most people discuss liberty, they are only aware of negative liberty.
There is positive liberty which is the ability to reach your fundamental purpose. Positive liberty is the hardest to define and most controversial aspect of liberty. It is this aspect that earlier liberals were more concerned with not negative liberty which is what more people generally care about today.
An argument where a person says they believe in freedom but then believes drugs should be made illegal because drugs are harmful to people, even if it's people who make the choice to use them is a classic framing of positive liberty over negative liberty.
The argument that you can't be pro-freedom and in support of banning books that promote sexual promiscuity in children is an argument rooted only in the concept of negative liberty. A proponent of positive liberty would likely make the argument that banning such books from being taught to children in public schools would actually promote positive liberty.
Truthfully, I think the concepts most people have of "liberty" are flawed nor do I think "liberty" is actually something worth having for the sake of it. The freedom to be evil is not useful in a society of good people. What is good or evil? That is the pertinent question and the pursuit of good the more important over the pursuit of liberty though both often overlap. In the words of Benjamin Franklin: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.” In my own words. Only good people deserve freedom to do good and evil people do not deserve freedom at all.
Conservatives are not the ones who terrorise authors and get them to be ACTUALLY banned, like dropped by their publishers or removed from retailers. That's absolutely the left.
What the right does, namely having books removed from school mandatory reading lists and children's reach at libraries, is not book banning. You can buy your little Timmy any books with explicit sex acts and transgenderism and other degeneracy! Do it if you wish. But he won't be forced to read it at school or get handed by some school librarian they/them freak.
It's also different in the sense that parents should absolutely have the right to monitor what their children are learning. Like how is it that lib parents have aneurysms if the kids at school learn about Christianity in a positive way, yet normal parents have to let their kids be shown pornography and other disturbing content?
When liberals attack, they are random human wastes bullying people on twitter and contacting their publishers. Quite different from a parent whose child if the one being actively shown things.
One of several reasons. They're lying, they're stupid, or both.
If you can buy it for yourself it's not banned. If it's taken out of a children's library because it's blatantly pedophilia, that's not banned. That's just basic human decency, and these freaks can't even manage that.
Whoever you're talking to is a leftist subhuman. You won't win an argument with them whether you're right or not, because they wouldn't know good faith if it threw them out of a helicopter.
"Gradually I began to hate them."
Being on twitter and saying things doesn't mean they are intelligent, worthwhile or correct things.
Midwits, retards, bots, and no bad tactics, only bad targets.
Ask those self-same individuals if they think the word 'nigger' should be taken out of the old Mark Twain books, and see how they react.
Uh, because they think they can use such arguments to (continue to) get their way culturally.
People can argue anything they want. And it might seem to have merit if you see that argument over and over, but it doesn't mean it's not bullshit fed from their handlers and thought leaders.
"How come I hear leftists say that conservatives are bad and wrong?" Uh, because they need to paint them that way to move things in the directions they want.
Because they're lying or too stupid/lazy/ideologically obsessed to bother looking into the truth.
No having books in a school library is not banning them. Any teacher who hands “gender queer” to a student is no different than handing them a playboy magazine. Also hilarious coming from the political movement than banned everything from Mein Kampf to The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, while rewriting every classic that could be considered problematic.
Genderqueer is worse as it's terrorist propaganda.
All exercises of government power are authoritarian
If people just voluntarily did the right thing all of the time we wouldn't need a government
The whole point of a government is to cause harm to the people who don't do the right thing, as defined by the people who control the government.
They say it is authoritarian to not show gay porn to little kids, I say it is authoritarian to do so. The person who has the power to enforce his will is the one who is "right".
If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. -- James Madison, The Federalist No. 51, 6 February 1788
That's exactly what's happening.
As DeSantis did. It's been done, it's being done. The problem is the left doesn't agree that doing this is a problem. In fact it's quite the opposite
If they had any balls they'd actually fully ban those books and tell the leftists to fuck themselves, instead of kids
It's largely bullshit. The only place conservatives are doing anything close to this are in public schools.
Meanwhile, leftists will outright target books for modification or outright elimination at multiple levels. Whether that be going after the author, the publisher, distributors, etc.
Arguments require substance.
This is not an argument, it is a REEEEEEE.
anyone who makes it is a gay commie and you can add them to your enemies list
"Face the wall please."
I wish they were actually banning and burning books.
Removing sexually explicit books from children's libraries is not the same thing as banning books.
IF
I
CAN
BUY
IT
ON
AMAZON
IT
IS
NOT
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YOU DO NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE YOUR DEGENERATE PORNOGRAPHY PUT IN SCHOOLS AND LIBRARIES AT TAXPAYER EXPENSE
And truly one should look at that which Amazon bans if you want to see real censorship... at least attempted.
Amazon banning a book does far more to make it unavailable than banning it from a school library.
"We're not banning them. We're deplatforming them."
"we're localizing them for modern audiences"
Providing minors with pornographic material is a crime.
taxes should not be used to finance groomers and the above mentioned crime.
tell the soycucks that a loading question isn't an argument.
tell the soycucks that if they argue in bad faith you automatically are the winner of the argument.
tell the soycucks that if they don't stop lying to try to come out right from every issue, then debating will fail to solve the problems, when debating fail, old good primeval violence comes back.
Argument? What is this, 2014? You tell them to fuck off and you cut ties.
First, we have to look at scale. Who is using the State to push more language conformity? The left has been politicizing public (aka government) schools for decades. The right is finally fighting back and trying to remove some of the things that never belonged in that government/public setting in the first place. Which is also, importantly, not a "book ban."
If "freedom" is letting the leftists in power control everything and dictate our values...I'm shelving the last of my libertarian ideals. It's standard leftist modus operandi; step all over everyone, then call the other side a tyrant when they eventually fight back. "You're only a good person if you conform to my paradigm, if not you're a hypocrite due to your own ideals."
No, the leftists need a cultural beatdown. It's got nothing to do with free speech. Undoing leftists intrusions is good. These locusts can get fucked.
My thoughts are that it's absurd.
Ask these retards if we should give every 6th grader a copy of Mein Kampf.
Tells me libs haven't decided reading is racist yet
Did anyone else listen to Adventures in Odyssey as a kid? There was an episode about this exact situation with a slanderous liberal accusing a teacher of "not respecting freedom of speech" when she was trying to get inappropriate books out of the school library. And that episode aired in back in '93!
This is retarded. Plenty of books are banned from schools. Playboy mags.
A distinction has long been drawn between educational materials and those that serve the prurient interest, ie fap fuel. One may disagree about where that line lies. It doesn't make the people who disagree with you book burners. It simply means you disagree about the character of certain materials.
To fight monsters you'll have to become a Claymore. I don't care about the methods or moral high ground anymore. Trying not to stoop down to their level is why we are losing. No more! Ban books, cancel and censor leftists whenever we can.
There are two types of freedom. These are "advanced" freedom discussion topics. Your pioneers in the subject of liberalism were well-aware of the two types of freedom.
There is negative liberty which is being unrestrained from doing anything. Generally, when most people discuss liberty, they are only aware of negative liberty.
There is positive liberty which is the ability to reach your fundamental purpose. Positive liberty is the hardest to define and most controversial aspect of liberty. It is this aspect that earlier liberals were more concerned with not negative liberty which is what more people generally care about today.
An argument where a person says they believe in freedom but then believes drugs should be made illegal because drugs are harmful to people, even if it's people who make the choice to use them is a classic framing of positive liberty over negative liberty.
The argument that you can't be pro-freedom and in support of banning books that promote sexual promiscuity in children is an argument rooted only in the concept of negative liberty. A proponent of positive liberty would likely make the argument that banning such books from being taught to children in public schools would actually promote positive liberty.
Truthfully, I think the concepts most people have of "liberty" are flawed nor do I think "liberty" is actually something worth having for the sake of it. The freedom to be evil is not useful in a society of good people. What is good or evil? That is the pertinent question and the pursuit of good the more important over the pursuit of liberty though both often overlap. In the words of Benjamin Franklin: “Only a virtuous people are capable of freedom. As nations become corrupt and vicious, they have more need of masters.” In my own words. Only good people deserve freedom to do good and evil people do not deserve freedom at all.
points to endless list of ruined lives for saying truths about women under a real name.
At this point I'm starting wonder if it might be a sexual fetish.
You asked me to give an argument against "leftists being pro free speech".
The number of men who lost their careers because they said something women didn't like is an argument.
No, it was about right-wingers being anti-free speech...
It's the same thing...
No.