Mario exists at all because Peach does not protect her people. That's the entire premise behind the series lmao. She's a weak and ineffective ruler so she has to rely on foreign mercenaries.
The official canon actually clears up this contraction, although very little is ever more than just hinted at. It would be impossible to explain away all the inconsistencies of the franchise at this point, so we're left with vague connections and hand waves.
First, despite being called the "Mushroom Kingdom", it's actually a principality. Principalities are ruled by a prince or princess. So Peach is the head of state. Mario 1's manual states that Peach does, or did, have a father who was king. Perhaps he abdicated and Peach decided to downgrade her kingdom into a principality because she liked the title of princess better, but they kept the name Mushroom Kingdom because it's what people were familiar with. Or perhaps it's all just dumb made up bullshit from a 40 year old game.
Second, the rulers you rescue in 3 are kings of various kingdoms in the confusingly named Mushroom World, which is apparently a geographical region that you can only access via the Mushroom Kingdom. The Mario series takes place on an unnamed earth-like planet containing, among other things, the Mushroom Kingdom, Mushroom World, and Dinosaur World.
As to how the topography of Mario's planet seems to change every game, that's never brought up. There are many theories, but the fact is we're simply not meant to think about it.
The only "information" we have about him is that Peach is his daughter. He also only exists in the US version of the manual, so even if he is canon, he most likely died before or during SMB1, which would explain his complete absence afterwards.
We know that at some point the king left her in the care of that brown mushroom guy that's in the Mario and Luigi RPG games because she wasn't ready to rule
She's supposed to be the "damsel in distress" archetype. That's the character. Obviously they add a little depth in other media or games where you could pick her as a playable character, but she mainly exists as an object of Mario's affection or alternatively his liege.
Yes, she inherently fails the "Bechdel Test". That's perfectly fine for anyone who isn't a cultist. The game's called Mario not Mario and The Princess.
I wouldn't mind her being strong or capable if they just kept her charm. The taunts, the refined posture, the wacky weapons, the hyper girlish behavior, all gone and replaced with Captain Marvel #286.
I don't know how you make a Mario movie where bumbling goofball Mario has to be guided by brave hero Princess Peach to save Luigi without somebody saying something. You have the right personalities on completely wrong characters. Heroic Mario and goofy comic relief Luigi go save the princess!
Seemed like a good opportunity to use those AI image generators to see what a "roided out princess Peach with a five o'clock shadow" would look like. But damn, they either suck hard or require login.
Peach protects her people the only way she knows how: By spreading her legs to her conqueror while a hairy simp "saves" milady from her "captor." Another reason why Daisy is best girl and Luigi is a winner in life.
:( This sucks, I wanted to take the kids to see this one. They've been super enthusiastic although the only Mario games we played are Mario party and Mario kart.
Mario And Luigi: Superstar Saga felt like the perfect template for an ideal Mario movie. You have both brothers going on an action and slap stick filled road trip to save the princess while bickering in gibberish Italian along the way, and Luigi even has an arc where he overcomes his cowardice nature to save his brother.
This game felt like the most cinematic of all the Mario games to me because it fleshed out all the personalities of all the characters while staying faithful to how the games originally depicted them.
They think that's a unique take on Peach but that's been her personality since Mario RPG almost Thirty years ago. But she still only deals with other Royals. For the fodder she uses Mario.
I've not read that comic book, that seems very niche. I do know her from the main game where she is rescued by Mario as the main "plot", if you can call it a plot.
I find modern day girl boss trope to be incredibly annoying, modern writers can't seem to write a likable woman.
And if I have to chose Mario and a goofy Luigi going to rescue Peach is a lot more appealing then marry sue Peach and goofy Mario saving Luigi.
I'd bet 9/10 people who are fans of the series never read it. Most people just think of the games.
Its like when people were confused about Metroid Other M depicting Samus as a helpless trauma victim despite every other game depicting her as a badass. It was based on the manga which nobody other than the most hardcore autists read.
Yup, I just played Prime Remastered recently which takes place very early in the timeline (between Metroid 1 and 2), and Samus immediately readies for battle both times she comes face to face with Ridley, by Other M she should be able to deal with him in her sleep.
Basically.. dont want girls that watch the movie to feel that peach is subservient to mario and is an equal. Same shit like ashley in re4 asks leon to come work for her, but leon says shes a strong wahman.
Except Toadstool is a shit leader canonically. If she was, she wouldn't be kidnapped and invaded every other day. This kingdom's entire existence relies on a random fucking plumber fixing every problem constantly. Her people are a bunch of mushrooms with vacant eyes that nobody cared when they were all turned into bricks. And she never thought about employing an army to defend herself, or at least make Mario and Luigi royal guards.
Mario exists at all because Peach does not protect her people. That's the entire premise behind the series lmao. She's a weak and ineffective ruler so she has to rely on foreign mercenaries.
The official canon actually clears up this contraction, although very little is ever more than just hinted at. It would be impossible to explain away all the inconsistencies of the franchise at this point, so we're left with vague connections and hand waves.
First, despite being called the "Mushroom Kingdom", it's actually a principality. Principalities are ruled by a prince or princess. So Peach is the head of state. Mario 1's manual states that Peach does, or did, have a father who was king. Perhaps he abdicated and Peach decided to downgrade her kingdom into a principality because she liked the title of princess better, but they kept the name Mushroom Kingdom because it's what people were familiar with. Or perhaps it's all just dumb made up bullshit from a 40 year old game.
Second, the rulers you rescue in 3 are kings of various kingdoms in the confusingly named Mushroom World, which is apparently a geographical region that you can only access via the Mushroom Kingdom. The Mario series takes place on an unnamed earth-like planet containing, among other things, the Mushroom Kingdom, Mushroom World, and Dinosaur World.
As to how the topography of Mario's planet seems to change every game, that's never brought up. There are many theories, but the fact is we're simply not meant to think about it.
Did Bowser kill him off? If so, it would make sense why he keeps trying to kidnap Peach
The only "information" we have about him is that Peach is his daughter. He also only exists in the US version of the manual, so even if he is canon, he most likely died before or during SMB1, which would explain his complete absence afterwards.
Didn't it also say that Bowser turned the Toads into fucking cubes or some nightmarish shit like that?
Yes that's canon, Kamek did that
Didn't know Kamek was even a concept that early on. Thought his debut was Yoshi's Island.
So the Mushroom Kingdom is essentially Belgium…
Or Luxembourg, if you prefer.
Interesting outcome that!
Bowser must be German, then, taking this analogy to its logical conclusion lol…
We know that at some point the king left her in the care of that brown mushroom guy that's in the Mario and Luigi RPG games because she wasn't ready to rule
To be fair, Toads are basically just less competent minions. They can't fucking do anything right.
She's supposed to be the "damsel in distress" archetype. That's the character. Obviously they add a little depth in other media or games where you could pick her as a playable character, but she mainly exists as an object of Mario's affection or alternatively his liege.
Yes, she inherently fails the "Bechdel Test". That's perfectly fine for anyone who isn't a cultist. The game's called Mario not Mario and The Princess.
The bechdel test is a meme that people made up to make fun of representation bullshit and the left somehow took seriously
They just described fucking Daisy.
this was my first thought. Daisy was always the more tomboyish one of the two.
Daisy rules! She's always been Number 1 for me.
This fills me with joy.
No wait, the other thing. Dread.
I wouldn't mind her being strong or capable if they just kept her charm. The taunts, the refined posture, the wacky weapons, the hyper girlish behavior, all gone and replaced with Captain Marvel #286.
We've had so many years of insufferable girlbosses that it would actually be subversive to see an attractive woman being rescued.
You can't have "Girlboss" without "Gaslight".
Pretty sure there is a "Gatekeep" component to that as well.
A lack of Gatekeeping is how we got here.
But we had plenty of "Girlboss" and "Gaslight" so more of one is a solution to the other two.
I don't know how you make a Mario movie where bumbling goofball Mario has to be guided by brave hero Princess Peach to save Luigi without somebody saying something. You have the right personalities on completely wrong characters. Heroic Mario and goofy comic relief Luigi go save the princess!
But that wouldn't be S U B V E R S I V E
Seemed like a good opportunity to use those AI image generators to see what a "roided out princess Peach with a five o'clock shadow" would look like. But damn, they either suck hard or require login.
Skynet has a long way to go.
All my prompts in Stability Diffusion make her look like a Dragonball character.
Plot twist: the super sand vegetarian was Princess Peach all along!
It's Super Sans Lesbian, you philistine.
Here you go.
Those look like really bad Jojo villains lmao
Thanks, the second or fourth look closest to what I had in mind. All that's missing is a golf club and Mario better watch his back.
Really looking forward to not paying a cent to watch this movie.
Peach protects her people the only way she knows how: By spreading her legs to her conqueror while a hairy simp "saves" milady from her "captor." Another reason why Daisy is best girl and Luigi is a winner in life.
Daisy was kidnapped by an alien
Again?
No, just in Mario Land. I just wanted to point out that her origins were just being a peach clone until Mario Tennis 64 gave her a makeover.
So… Mario without the entire premise of any of the Mario games (excluding Mario Kart, where I suppose it is irrelevant)…
Yup, got it.
Very Current Year TM…
:( This sucks, I wanted to take the kids to see this one. They've been super enthusiastic although the only Mario games we played are Mario party and Mario kart.
Mario And Luigi: Superstar Saga felt like the perfect template for an ideal Mario movie. You have both brothers going on an action and slap stick filled road trip to save the princess while bickering in gibberish Italian along the way, and Luigi even has an arc where he overcomes his cowardice nature to save his brother.
This game felt like the most cinematic of all the Mario games to me because it fleshed out all the personalities of all the characters while staying faithful to how the games originally depicted them.
If she could keep her legs together instead of acting like a vampire leech everytime she saw a lizard, there would be no series.
They think that's a unique take on Peach but that's been her personality since Mario RPG almost Thirty years ago. But she still only deals with other Royals. For the fodder she uses Mario.
So I guess they told Daisy to just go fuck herself then? That's literally her thing.
Ever read the Super Mario Adventures comic from 1993?
Ran in Nintendo Power for a year?
She was like this there too. And she was awesome.
I've not read that comic book, that seems very niche. I do know her from the main game where she is rescued by Mario as the main "plot", if you can call it a plot. I find modern day girl boss trope to be incredibly annoying, modern writers can't seem to write a likable woman. And if I have to chose Mario and a goofy Luigi going to rescue Peach is a lot more appealing then marry sue Peach and goofy Mario saving Luigi.
Am I seriously the only one that read that?
There's a complete fandub on Youtube. Check it out sometime.
I'd bet 9/10 people who are fans of the series never read it. Most people just think of the games.
Its like when people were confused about Metroid Other M depicting Samus as a helpless trauma victim despite every other game depicting her as a badass. It was based on the manga which nobody other than the most hardcore autists read.
Even factoring that in, it makes no sense. At that point she had bitchslapped ridley multiple times. It's after super metroid.
Yup, I just played Prime Remastered recently which takes place very early in the timeline (between Metroid 1 and 2), and Samus immediately readies for battle both times she comes face to face with Ridley, by Other M she should be able to deal with him in her sleep.
Basically.. dont want girls that watch the movie to feel that peach is subservient to mario and is an equal. Same shit like ashley in re4 asks leon to come work for her, but leon says shes a strong wahman.
I guess this is better than her having a single braincell like in Sunshine, but 'girlboss' isn't what comes to mind when thinking of her
Except Toadstool is a shit leader canonically. If she was, she wouldn't be kidnapped and invaded every other day. This kingdom's entire existence relies on a random fucking plumber fixing every problem constantly. Her people are a bunch of mushrooms with vacant eyes that nobody cared when they were all turned into bricks. And she never thought about employing an army to defend herself, or at least make Mario and Luigi royal guards.