Talk about getting high on your own supply. She's the literal first example of the "tiny women tossing around grown men" trope. As a superhero she is responsible for a lot of the things people hate most about female characters in modern fiction.
Oh and speaking of norms. She was an accomplice to Whedon molesting the other women in the cast, because of course a man who looks like that is a prolific pervert.
In case anyone who was unbanned from twitter wanted to toss that in her face.
I think Twitter is pretty fun. I don't use it a lot, but I got mad that I was constantly getting tweets shoved at me, and I couldn't go back and tell those people on Twitter what I think of them. So, I got an account.
He's jewish and identifies as "atheist" .... I guess so Wikipedia doesn't have to have the "Early Life" trope and leftists can say "See!!!" ... when it's all just pilpul.
Yes, and while multi-generation links to Hollywood may be disproportionately Jewish, do you have any evidence that Whedon is--or his family is--Jewish?
The entire Buffy franchise is built on one single trope, and that is that Whedon imagined the stereotypical horror movie archetype screaming blond high school girl running away from the monster turning around and beating the shit out of him instead.
It's not bad, but I think it's also a show that hasn't aged that well... or at least, I really liked it when I was a teen, but it doesn't do anything for me now.
Joss really invited the modern "quippy" style of movie dialogue.
As much as I dislike Whedon, the show is not bad (though Season 4 and 6 are very very weak seasons, and 7 fixes them).
Though Buffy was a small woman, the show multiple times shows that she is superpowered with enhanced strength (she sometimes accidentally breaks stuff), durability, and healing. So she is not just a standard issue 80lb woman whooping up on 200lb men ala Black Widow.
It is also filled with lot of 90s/early 00's pop culture references, so it is a trip down memory lane.
Its alright if you had seen it at that time when it wasn't feminist/woke nonsense all around you. Mind you, I couldn't stand it even then because it was way too hard for me to believe "am slayer so magic martial arts that can beat all vampires - teehee".
I can't even contemplate watching it today after all the Mary Sue Media. Not especially without the lens of nostalgia to soften it.
Try it out and maybe you will like it, but for an online influencer to peddle this today, is odd. Or oddly appropriate depending on your view of the world I guess.
The Calisto Protocol has a 105lb tiny Asian woman throw around a 200lb muscular man.
It's ridiculous.
There is also a scene when she catches the 200lb man's arm to save him from a fall and hold-on to him for a while.
... Instead of a physics-compatible scenario where they both instantly drop down (if she somehow summons the grip strenght to hold onto him at the start, which isn't believable either ).
I know Gal Gadot got some minor heat when that pedoy leftist literal rape-cult leader tried to get her to step on him and give some man-hating voiceclips but she was just weirded out and wouldn't indulge him in the interview.
As a life long comic books reader and collector I know that for a lot of female super heroes the majority of the readers are male. Makes sense when you look at the male/female ratio of comic book readers. Of course there are women who read comics and there are comics made for a female audience. But I’m tired of these statements because they have a problem with a majority make hobby. I remember reading an essay about why super heroes appeal to boys/men more than women.
It’s been noted before but I didn’t hear any grumbling about female heroes until marvel chose to hire feminists who hated the audience and pushed comics like America Chavez that bombed. Or crapping on your actual fans to court this mythical female audience that so many companies think are out there. Granted if you can expand your audience that’s great but don’t do it at the expense of actual fans
Or the 999,999 times they rebooted captain marvel, but not real captain marvel, but with carol danvers evil twin Carl Manvers….. for real Carol Danvers had 2 important roles prior to being shoehorned into captain marvel and that was giving Rogue her powers, and showing up in tight clothes in the avengers. That’s it. Sue storm, Rogue, Scarlet witch, Jean grey, all vastly more important to marvel stories than Carol ever was.
I never saw Captain Marvel but I was highly annoyed when I heard they gender swapped the original one. I didn’t mind Ms Marvel in the old comics but didn’t care for the manly version
I don't read comics, but I was playing a game, and I looked up Captain Marvel, and Carole Danvers dated to the 60s or something. When was Captian Marvel gender-swapped?
I’m not too familiar with the character but I thought it was in the 70s she took over for Captain Marvel when he died. The Death of Captain Marvel was a big issue. But Captain Marvel goes back to the 30s or 40s with DC if I’m not mistaken. But I didn’t mind her til they made her look like a dude.
Good post, but you've only just grazed that the fundamental reason these shows don't succeed is because women don't want to watch them.
It's not difficult to get men to watch women in shows. You simply make the character female, somewhat attractive, and have a slightly feminine attitude, and men will jump all over themselves to watch.
I chose this picture because the one on the left has an aburdly sexual outfit - but the one on the right is the main character that guys watched week after week after week - despite wearing what are basically men's casual military clothes. Put a woman who's somewhat attractive, a little feminine, and men will watch.
It's the female audience that you have an issue with. Women aren't interested in watching other women in fight/combat/action roles.
And if you try to push the show mostly to men, then feminists show up and absolutely destroy your female characters. If she's sexy they attack that. If she talks a lot they'll attack anything her character says they don't agree with which is basically everything. If she doesn't talk they'll complain about that as well.
And importantly - if the female superhero engages in the same violence that the male superheros do - they'll have an absolute fit. This is why it's impossible to write a female superhero that men will watch even if she is attractive.
Take the elevator fight scene in captain america "So 15 men attack and try to dogpile on our female hero?".
The problem is always that the moment you add women to a movie, you're opening yourself up to every single thing the female character does being critisized and bemoaned, and 50%-90% of the things a male character would do being off limits even to reasonable people.
The only reason why buffy the vampire slayer exists is because feminist were not around to fuck that up.
And they still went after joss later so look how that goes for films that include women in them.
Very well said. Also with something like James Bond they don’t get the tried and true formula where men want to be him and women want to be with him. Watching Bond take on bad guys and bed sexy women has an appeal factor for both. Or look at the show Remington Steele
When Princess Fantastica and her ability to swallow entire cars and firehydrants with her vagina to queef them at her enemies at the speed of light gets made into a movie by Marvel or DC, I will watch it and fully embrace I was whatever cockamamie shit this dumb bitch has to say.
Such a disappointingly surface take. There are actual nuanced and quite frankly valid reasons why people don't like that.
Let's explore just one of them in this rant. Here we go.
In the past, literally no one cared. Not the audience that propped you up in the 90s, not the everything has to be female or POC or it's horrible and we don't like it crowd.
Fucking no one cared.
Now that it all has to be that way because of some vocal chucklefucks who don't understand what they're asking for, and their enablers, we all know now to avoid it because it's going to be a poorly written writer self insert take on what they think a tiny select group of the definitely not part of the audience wants, and not what everyone actually wants. The characters are capable of so much more, with decent writers who care about the material. We know this to be true. We've seen good movies, and read books/comics with great female leads who were more than one dimensional mary sue joy toys for the writers.
It's now a warning sign that you've taken a character, skinned it and put something else inside it, and are pretending everything is fine. Everything is not fine. We've seen through this dozens of times already, and it continues to happen because for some reason, people are listening to you, instead of the audience that actually cares about the characters that are on screen.
And you can tell they know, and that they don't care because their arguments do not hold water. Every time it comes up it almost always goes back to this old dodge. "Women were here from the start, even if it was a boys club hostile to women in every single way, but we're here now and it's our thing now boys."
You contradict your own argument with every single word. You were either here from the start and you enjoyed the same things we did, or you're new and you hate everything you saw from the past and want it changed, meaning you don't care and want it destroyed.
And people are fucking tired of it. We see it. We know to avoid it. It's not a female lead problem, it's an entitlement issue. Some think they can lay claim to an intangible thing like a part of a fandom and just ... claim it and kick out the established audience who enjoyed it for what it was. You can't claim something you hate, and fuck it rotten and claim it's the same thing as before when you know deep in your cold dead hearts that you're masquerading just so that you can ruin something that someone else enjoys.
Am I wrong? Let's look at how they turned on a dime over their precious beloved Harry Potter franchise. If that's not collective group think over a 25 year spanning fandom that is only just recently realizing that the creator is not in complete lock step with the good thought patrol and has stepped out of line and must be destroyed always. It had nothing to do with the characters or the lore of the series, it was a comment about a group of people outside the fiction, but inside that group's little narrative fiction in reality that you just can't say.
And that, ladies and gentlemen is why you do not capitulate. They'll like you until they hate you, and they'll never let you forget it, and they'll hate you for the rest of time ... until something else grabs their 15 minute attention spans.
This is why I don’t take seriously when writers are hired for something like Disney Star Wars who insist they love Star Wars but want to change it. You see it in comic books too
I have many many issues dating back to the mid 70s. I enjoyed comics until they got ahold of them and felt the need to destroy everything they touch.
But they can't ruin what it was, just what they're distorting it to be.
They'll eventually be given the boot, and someone with some level of talent will pick up the pieces and rebuild the ashes. We're already seeing parts of that with the independent scene, as well as a single manga trouncing all of western comic sales, selling out in record time with their fun and imaginative creations, while Marvel and DC have to force comic book stores to close because no one is buying those anymore.
Bingo. I only buy older marvel and dc comics now but I bought Eric July’s comic along with Alterna and will look for more indies to buy. Also bought my first mangas a few weeks ago abc will be diving into that.
No Sarah, it's that the writers' room is now full of weirdo political apparatchiks who are now incapable of writing a female character anyone wants to see.
Buffy was a massive success because Joss Whedon could, back then, freely admit that he wanted to see a nubile 16 year old piece of ass beating up vampires who all want to fuck her before they eat her.
Buffy can't be made again today because that open, honest, simple, straight-to-the-point hook is now a no-go with fat, blue-haired commies who cant stand looking at a better looking girl than themselves. They would mandate that Buffy be recast some as some unfuckable black chick with a weird shaped head and no ass or tits. Everyone knows that that would be a complete fucking bomb, and that's why we haven't seen a buffy remake.
Now go back to baking cakes rather than speaking about things you haven't thought about in 20 years.
The undeniable fact is that the audience for these movies is mostly male. And they're not going to pay money to sit and watch a homely woman lecture them about how bad they are just because she's wearing a cape.
They need to fix their "backwards way of thinking" about what's classified as entertainment.
Yeah but I think you're close but not quite there.
The average women does not want to watch women in superhero roles.
Women makes up 49% to 51% of the population based on where you are, a purely female audience will absolutely do great at the box office. Women don't want to watch it.
Feminism can convince women to say they want to watch it...can convince them to watch it once or twice...but that's where their influence over women ends, women simply don't like watching women in a superhero roles.
You nailed it. I never had a problem with female leads until this obsession with pushing women into male spaces started or like you pointed out they just turned into lectures and they seem to hate attractive women
And notice how they HATED that. The sheer hate and frothing rage the left had for Alita Battle Angel, a mid-tier live-action anime adaptation, was incredible. The idea that a movie could feature a woman action MC and be liked by a primarily male audience, with a target audience that was male, was so anathema to their ideology that they just broke into a wrathful mess.
Talk about getting high on your own supply. She's the literal first example of the "tiny women tossing around grown men" trope. As a superhero she is responsible for a lot of the things people hate most about female characters in modern fiction.
I know people who enjoy it but when it came out it wasn’t the norm. Now like you said it’s the template
Oh and speaking of norms. She was an accomplice to Whedon molesting the other women in the cast, because of course a man who looks like that is a prolific pervert.
In case anyone who was unbanned from twitter wanted to toss that in her face.
I still have 3 days on my sentence. They really don't like you using the "homos" and "AIDS" in the same tweet
My lifetime ban for using multiple accounts to spam Leslie Jones with Harambe memes was not lifted.
You guys were on Twitter? Huh... I'm like 7-Up. Never had it. Never will.
I mean ... I have an account, I just never liked the interface so ... it's dusty.
I tried it for the first time post-musk. Triggering gay commies is good entertainment.
Other that trolling my "noble purpose" is exposing normies to outside-of-overton ideas.
I think Twitter is pretty fun. I don't use it a lot, but I got mad that I was constantly getting tweets shoved at me, and I couldn't go back and tell those people on Twitter what I think of them. So, I got an account.
Thank you for your service.
You should test if GRIDS get you the same punishment. It is the original name after all
He's jewish and identifies as "atheist" .... I guess so Wikipedia doesn't have to have the "Early Life" trope and leftists can say "See!!!" ... when it's all just pilpul.
Jews gotta jew.
I don't think Whedon is Jewish.
He's 3rd generation TV show writer.
Yes, and while multi-generation links to Hollywood may be disproportionately Jewish, do you have any evidence that Whedon is--or his family is--Jewish?
Looks like what?
The entire Buffy franchise is built on one single trope, and that is that Whedon imagined the stereotypical horror movie archetype screaming blond high school girl running away from the monster turning around and beating the shit out of him instead.
I haven’t watched it yet but I plan too. One of my favorite YouTubers is Nerdrotic and he loves it so I’ll give it a chance.
It's not bad, but I think it's also a show that hasn't aged that well... or at least, I really liked it when I was a teen, but it doesn't do anything for me now.
Joss really invited the modern "quippy" style of movie dialogue.
Says more about him than anything else.
The show is that bad?
As much as I dislike Whedon, the show is not bad (though Season 4 and 6 are very very weak seasons, and 7 fixes them).
Though Buffy was a small woman, the show multiple times shows that she is superpowered with enhanced strength (she sometimes accidentally breaks stuff), durability, and healing. So she is not just a standard issue 80lb woman whooping up on 200lb men ala Black Widow.
It is also filled with lot of 90s/early 00's pop culture references, so it is a trip down memory lane.
Its alright if you had seen it at that time when it wasn't feminist/woke nonsense all around you. Mind you, I couldn't stand it even then because it was way too hard for me to believe "am slayer so magic martial arts that can beat all vampires - teehee".
I can't even contemplate watching it today after all the Mary Sue Media. Not especially without the lens of nostalgia to soften it.
Try it out and maybe you will like it, but for an online influencer to peddle this today, is odd. Or oddly appropriate depending on your view of the world I guess.
I dunno. It's definitely a bit stereotypical, but it had a lot of good bits in it too that I vaguely remember. Lots of character interaction
Gotcha. Thanks. I did want to see Angel as well so I do need to see Buffy
To be fair, I don't object to this if the tiny woman canonically has super powers.
I object to it when they have it happen in something that's supposed to be grounded in reality.
The Calisto Protocol has a 105lb tiny Asian woman throw around a 200lb muscular man.
It's ridiculous.
There is also a scene when she catches the 200lb man's arm to save him from a fall and hold-on to him for a while.
... Instead of a physics-compatible scenario where they both instantly drop down (if she somehow summons the grip strenght to hold onto him at the start, which isn't believable either ).
Hopefully no one does object. Spider man is like canonically a tiny dude. It doesn't make sense he can throw guys around without super powers.
She's seems to be trying to appeal to Hollywood. Most likely she is angling for a role in a Marvel film. I can't think of any other explanation.
"the powers of the slayer" is the origin of girlbossing. That's the point here.
holy fuck did she ever slam headlong into the wall. mega yenta face activated.
I know Gal Gadot got some minor heat when that pedoy leftist literal rape-cult leader tried to get her to step on him and give some man-hating voiceclips but she was just weirded out and wouldn't indulge him in the interview.
I’ll check it out. Never heard of it. Also there was a game for PS1 called urban chaos where you played as a black female cop. It was a fun game.
Or maybe because movies with female leads are routinely feminist propaganda lectures about how we are subhuman compared to the female elite.
Who then go on to complain that nobody watches their movies.
As a life long comic books reader and collector I know that for a lot of female super heroes the majority of the readers are male. Makes sense when you look at the male/female ratio of comic book readers. Of course there are women who read comics and there are comics made for a female audience. But I’m tired of these statements because they have a problem with a majority make hobby. I remember reading an essay about why super heroes appeal to boys/men more than women.
It’s been noted before but I didn’t hear any grumbling about female heroes until marvel chose to hire feminists who hated the audience and pushed comics like America Chavez that bombed. Or crapping on your actual fans to court this mythical female audience that so many companies think are out there. Granted if you can expand your audience that’s great but don’t do it at the expense of actual fans
Or the 999,999 times they rebooted captain marvel, but not real captain marvel, but with carol danvers evil twin Carl Manvers….. for real Carol Danvers had 2 important roles prior to being shoehorned into captain marvel and that was giving Rogue her powers, and showing up in tight clothes in the avengers. That’s it. Sue storm, Rogue, Scarlet witch, Jean grey, all vastly more important to marvel stories than Carol ever was.
I never saw Captain Marvel but I was highly annoyed when I heard they gender swapped the original one. I didn’t mind Ms Marvel in the old comics but didn’t care for the manly version
I never bothered seeing it either.
I don't read comics, but I was playing a game, and I looked up Captain Marvel, and Carole Danvers dated to the 60s or something. When was Captian Marvel gender-swapped?
I’m not too familiar with the character but I thought it was in the 70s she took over for Captain Marvel when he died. The Death of Captain Marvel was a big issue. But Captain Marvel goes back to the 30s or 40s with DC if I’m not mistaken. But I didn’t mind her til they made her look like a dude.
Nvm I misinterpreted Wikipedia because the Carol Danvers character is older than her being Captain Marvel.
Like I said I liked her up until the feminists took over in comics.
Good post, but you've only just grazed that the fundamental reason these shows don't succeed is because women don't want to watch them.
It's not difficult to get men to watch women in shows. You simply make the character female, somewhat attractive, and have a slightly feminine attitude, and men will jump all over themselves to watch.
https://c4.wallpaperflare.com/wallpaper/707/688/37/stargate-stargate-sg-1-amanda-tapping-samantha-carter-wallpaper-preview.jpg
I chose this picture because the one on the left has an aburdly sexual outfit - but the one on the right is the main character that guys watched week after week after week - despite wearing what are basically men's casual military clothes. Put a woman who's somewhat attractive, a little feminine, and men will watch.
It's the female audience that you have an issue with. Women aren't interested in watching other women in fight/combat/action roles.
And if you try to push the show mostly to men, then feminists show up and absolutely destroy your female characters. If she's sexy they attack that. If she talks a lot they'll attack anything her character says they don't agree with which is basically everything. If she doesn't talk they'll complain about that as well.
And importantly - if the female superhero engages in the same violence that the male superheros do - they'll have an absolute fit. This is why it's impossible to write a female superhero that men will watch even if she is attractive.
Imagine the fit feminists would have if in this scene loki was a woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ZjnrHR8EA&t=41s
Take the elevator fight scene in captain america "So 15 men attack and try to dogpile on our female hero?".
The problem is always that the moment you add women to a movie, you're opening yourself up to every single thing the female character does being critisized and bemoaned, and 50%-90% of the things a male character would do being off limits even to reasonable people.
The only reason why buffy the vampire slayer exists is because feminist were not around to fuck that up.
And they still went after joss later so look how that goes for films that include women in them.
Very well said. Also with something like James Bond they don’t get the tried and true formula where men want to be him and women want to be with him. Watching Bond take on bad guys and bed sexy women has an appeal factor for both. Or look at the show Remington Steele
When Princess Fantastica and her ability to swallow entire cars and firehydrants with her vagina to queef them at her enemies at the speed of light gets made into a movie by Marvel or DC, I will watch it and fully embrace I was whatever cockamamie shit this dumb bitch has to say.
Is that a real character? You never know today
No. But I would like to see it.
That sounds pretty cool, actually.
female "hero" not being insufferably smug challenge (impossible)
Such a disappointingly surface take. There are actual nuanced and quite frankly valid reasons why people don't like that.
Let's explore just one of them in this rant. Here we go.
In the past, literally no one cared. Not the audience that propped you up in the 90s, not the everything has to be female or POC or it's horrible and we don't like it crowd.
Fucking no one cared.
Now that it all has to be that way because of some vocal chucklefucks who don't understand what they're asking for, and their enablers, we all know now to avoid it because it's going to be a poorly written writer self insert take on what they think a tiny select group of the definitely not part of the audience wants, and not what everyone actually wants. The characters are capable of so much more, with decent writers who care about the material. We know this to be true. We've seen good movies, and read books/comics with great female leads who were more than one dimensional mary sue joy toys for the writers.
It's now a warning sign that you've taken a character, skinned it and put something else inside it, and are pretending everything is fine. Everything is not fine. We've seen through this dozens of times already, and it continues to happen because for some reason, people are listening to you, instead of the audience that actually cares about the characters that are on screen.
And you can tell they know, and that they don't care because their arguments do not hold water. Every time it comes up it almost always goes back to this old dodge. "Women were here from the start, even if it was a boys club hostile to women in every single way, but we're here now and it's our thing now boys."
You contradict your own argument with every single word. You were either here from the start and you enjoyed the same things we did, or you're new and you hate everything you saw from the past and want it changed, meaning you don't care and want it destroyed.
And people are fucking tired of it. We see it. We know to avoid it. It's not a female lead problem, it's an entitlement issue. Some think they can lay claim to an intangible thing like a part of a fandom and just ... claim it and kick out the established audience who enjoyed it for what it was. You can't claim something you hate, and fuck it rotten and claim it's the same thing as before when you know deep in your cold dead hearts that you're masquerading just so that you can ruin something that someone else enjoys.
Am I wrong? Let's look at how they turned on a dime over their precious beloved Harry Potter franchise. If that's not collective group think over a 25 year spanning fandom that is only just recently realizing that the creator is not in complete lock step with the good thought patrol and has stepped out of line and must be destroyed always. It had nothing to do with the characters or the lore of the series, it was a comment about a group of people outside the fiction, but inside that group's little narrative fiction in reality that you just can't say.
And that, ladies and gentlemen is why you do not capitulate. They'll like you until they hate you, and they'll never let you forget it, and they'll hate you for the rest of time ... until something else grabs their 15 minute attention spans.
This is why I don’t take seriously when writers are hired for something like Disney Star Wars who insist they love Star Wars but want to change it. You see it in comic books too
Agreed. I was a huge comic fan.
I have many many issues dating back to the mid 70s. I enjoyed comics until they got ahold of them and felt the need to destroy everything they touch.
But they can't ruin what it was, just what they're distorting it to be.
They'll eventually be given the boot, and someone with some level of talent will pick up the pieces and rebuild the ashes. We're already seeing parts of that with the independent scene, as well as a single manga trouncing all of western comic sales, selling out in record time with their fun and imaginative creations, while Marvel and DC have to force comic book stores to close because no one is buying those anymore.
Bingo. I only buy older marvel and dc comics now but I bought Eric July’s comic along with Alterna and will look for more indies to buy. Also bought my first mangas a few weeks ago abc will be diving into that.
Oh no, it's retarded.
I had fun watching The Vampire Slayer. Except the eye-rolling "Im' gay now." Willow. At least she still had a character going on after that.
Except that was just whendon being wanting the girls to kiss. Complete fan service.
Yeah ngl it worked
And he was absolutely right about it.
No Sarah, it's that the writers' room is now full of weirdo political apparatchiks who are now incapable of writing a female character anyone wants to see.
Buffy was a massive success because Joss Whedon could, back then, freely admit that he wanted to see a nubile 16 year old piece of ass beating up vampires who all want to fuck her before they eat her.
Buffy can't be made again today because that open, honest, simple, straight-to-the-point hook is now a no-go with fat, blue-haired commies who cant stand looking at a better looking girl than themselves. They would mandate that Buffy be recast some as some unfuckable black chick with a weird shaped head and no ass or tits. Everyone knows that that would be a complete fucking bomb, and that's why we haven't seen a buffy remake.
Now go back to baking cakes rather than speaking about things you haven't thought about in 20 years.
I really think the lesson seems to be that the only force that makes big interesting things - is horny men striving to get laid.
The only thing (outside of the 1% or less random outliers).
The undeniable fact is that the audience for these movies is mostly male. And they're not going to pay money to sit and watch a homely woman lecture them about how bad they are just because she's wearing a cape.
They need to fix their "backwards way of thinking" about what's classified as entertainment.
Yeah but I think you're close but not quite there.
The average women does not want to watch women in superhero roles.
Women makes up 49% to 51% of the population based on where you are, a purely female audience will absolutely do great at the box office. Women don't want to watch it.
Feminism can convince women to say they want to watch it...can convince them to watch it once or twice...but that's where their influence over women ends, women simply don't like watching women in a superhero roles.
Now if only marvel and dc understood that…. Funny how she is coming to the correct conclusion for the wrong reasons.
Lean into the turn boys!
It's not backwards to want your warriors to be men.
That dumb cunt was only relevant when AOL discs were a thing.
Link / proof?
You're wrong. Whedon is not Jewish.
https://archive.is/71MuH
You nailed it. I never had a problem with female leads until this obsession with pushing women into male spaces started or like you pointed out they just turned into lectures and they seem to hate attractive women
And notice how they HATED that. The sheer hate and frothing rage the left had for Alita Battle Angel, a mid-tier live-action anime adaptation, was incredible. The idea that a movie could feature a woman action MC and be liked by a primarily male audience, with a target audience that was male, was so anathema to their ideology that they just broke into a wrathful mess.
I remember being so co fused about Alita. I enjoyed it but was surprised how the shills hated it