As a life long comic books reader and collector I know that for a lot of female super heroes the majority of the readers are male. Makes sense when you look at the male/female ratio of comic book readers. Of course there are women who read comics and there are comics made for a female audience. But I’m tired of these statements because they have a problem with a majority make hobby. I remember reading an essay about why super heroes appeal to boys/men more than women.
It’s been noted before but I didn’t hear any grumbling about female heroes until marvel chose to hire feminists who hated the audience and pushed comics like America Chavez that bombed. Or crapping on your actual fans to court this mythical female audience that so many companies think are out there. Granted if you can expand your audience that’s great but don’t do it at the expense of actual fans
Or the 999,999 times they rebooted captain marvel, but not real captain marvel, but with carol danvers evil twin Carl Manvers….. for real Carol Danvers had 2 important roles prior to being shoehorned into captain marvel and that was giving Rogue her powers, and showing up in tight clothes in the avengers. That’s it. Sue storm, Rogue, Scarlet witch, Jean grey, all vastly more important to marvel stories than Carol ever was.
I never saw Captain Marvel but I was highly annoyed when I heard they gender swapped the original one. I didn’t mind Ms Marvel in the old comics but didn’t care for the manly version
I don't read comics, but I was playing a game, and I looked up Captain Marvel, and Carole Danvers dated to the 60s or something. When was Captian Marvel gender-swapped?
I’m not too familiar with the character but I thought it was in the 70s she took over for Captain Marvel when he died. The Death of Captain Marvel was a big issue. But Captain Marvel goes back to the 30s or 40s with DC if I’m not mistaken. But I didn’t mind her til they made her look like a dude.
Good post, but you've only just grazed that the fundamental reason these shows don't succeed is because women don't want to watch them.
It's not difficult to get men to watch women in shows. You simply make the character female, somewhat attractive, and have a slightly feminine attitude, and men will jump all over themselves to watch.
I chose this picture because the one on the left has an aburdly sexual outfit - but the one on the right is the main character that guys watched week after week after week - despite wearing what are basically men's casual military clothes. Put a woman who's somewhat attractive, a little feminine, and men will watch.
It's the female audience that you have an issue with. Women aren't interested in watching other women in fight/combat/action roles.
And if you try to push the show mostly to men, then feminists show up and absolutely destroy your female characters. If she's sexy they attack that. If she talks a lot they'll attack anything her character says they don't agree with which is basically everything. If she doesn't talk they'll complain about that as well.
And importantly - if the female superhero engages in the same violence that the male superheros do - they'll have an absolute fit. This is why it's impossible to write a female superhero that men will watch even if she is attractive.
Take the elevator fight scene in captain america "So 15 men attack and try to dogpile on our female hero?".
The problem is always that the moment you add women to a movie, you're opening yourself up to every single thing the female character does being critisized and bemoaned, and 50%-90% of the things a male character would do being off limits even to reasonable people.
The only reason why buffy the vampire slayer exists is because feminist were not around to fuck that up.
And they still went after joss later so look how that goes for films that include women in them.
Very well said. Also with something like James Bond they don’t get the tried and true formula where men want to be him and women want to be with him. Watching Bond take on bad guys and bed sexy women has an appeal factor for both. Or look at the show Remington Steele
As a life long comic books reader and collector I know that for a lot of female super heroes the majority of the readers are male. Makes sense when you look at the male/female ratio of comic book readers. Of course there are women who read comics and there are comics made for a female audience. But I’m tired of these statements because they have a problem with a majority make hobby. I remember reading an essay about why super heroes appeal to boys/men more than women.
It’s been noted before but I didn’t hear any grumbling about female heroes until marvel chose to hire feminists who hated the audience and pushed comics like America Chavez that bombed. Or crapping on your actual fans to court this mythical female audience that so many companies think are out there. Granted if you can expand your audience that’s great but don’t do it at the expense of actual fans
Or the 999,999 times they rebooted captain marvel, but not real captain marvel, but with carol danvers evil twin Carl Manvers….. for real Carol Danvers had 2 important roles prior to being shoehorned into captain marvel and that was giving Rogue her powers, and showing up in tight clothes in the avengers. That’s it. Sue storm, Rogue, Scarlet witch, Jean grey, all vastly more important to marvel stories than Carol ever was.
I never saw Captain Marvel but I was highly annoyed when I heard they gender swapped the original one. I didn’t mind Ms Marvel in the old comics but didn’t care for the manly version
I never bothered seeing it either.
I don't read comics, but I was playing a game, and I looked up Captain Marvel, and Carole Danvers dated to the 60s or something. When was Captian Marvel gender-swapped?
I’m not too familiar with the character but I thought it was in the 70s she took over for Captain Marvel when he died. The Death of Captain Marvel was a big issue. But Captain Marvel goes back to the 30s or 40s with DC if I’m not mistaken. But I didn’t mind her til they made her look like a dude.
Good post, but you've only just grazed that the fundamental reason these shows don't succeed is because women don't want to watch them.
It's not difficult to get men to watch women in shows. You simply make the character female, somewhat attractive, and have a slightly feminine attitude, and men will jump all over themselves to watch.
https://c4.wallpaperflare.com/wallpaper/707/688/37/stargate-stargate-sg-1-amanda-tapping-samantha-carter-wallpaper-preview.jpg
I chose this picture because the one on the left has an aburdly sexual outfit - but the one on the right is the main character that guys watched week after week after week - despite wearing what are basically men's casual military clothes. Put a woman who's somewhat attractive, a little feminine, and men will watch.
It's the female audience that you have an issue with. Women aren't interested in watching other women in fight/combat/action roles.
And if you try to push the show mostly to men, then feminists show up and absolutely destroy your female characters. If she's sexy they attack that. If she talks a lot they'll attack anything her character says they don't agree with which is basically everything. If she doesn't talk they'll complain about that as well.
And importantly - if the female superhero engages in the same violence that the male superheros do - they'll have an absolute fit. This is why it's impossible to write a female superhero that men will watch even if she is attractive.
Imagine the fit feminists would have if in this scene loki was a woman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31ZjnrHR8EA&t=41s
Take the elevator fight scene in captain america "So 15 men attack and try to dogpile on our female hero?".
The problem is always that the moment you add women to a movie, you're opening yourself up to every single thing the female character does being critisized and bemoaned, and 50%-90% of the things a male character would do being off limits even to reasonable people.
The only reason why buffy the vampire slayer exists is because feminist were not around to fuck that up.
And they still went after joss later so look how that goes for films that include women in them.
Very well said. Also with something like James Bond they don’t get the tried and true formula where men want to be him and women want to be with him. Watching Bond take on bad guys and bed sexy women has an appeal factor for both. Or look at the show Remington Steele