I would say that back in around 2010 to a few years ago, on the topic of "transgenderism" and other sorts of nonsense, I got the sense that the leftists who I was arguing with didn't really believe their own bullcrap. It was like, they know that I know, but they want the power that they want and so they're going to play make believe.
Essentially they were just following the rules for radicals playbook and knew what they were doing.
What I find troubling, and I'm curious if you've encountered this also, is like on places like Reddit, when it comes to all sorts of craziness such as men being women, or men getting pregnant or take your pick, the leftists now, I suppose from being so thoroughly insulated in all their spaces, or because we're seeing the younger generations who are essentially brainwashed, I get the sense that they truly do believe these things.
Before it was like a culture war against a radical sect using radical tactics.....and now it's like encountering inhabitants of Alice in Wonderland who sincerely hold the beliefs despite the beliefs being completely detached from reality and bonkers.
This is what happens when the institutions responsible for disseminating culture remain in the hands of your enemies for multiple generations. Eventually there will come a group of young people who never knew a world without this insanity, and they will treat it as legitimate simply because it was entrenched before they were born.
It’s similar to DLC and micro transactions in video games. No one liked or wanted that shit when it was first introduced, but they kept pushing it until the customer base turned over. Now kids think these predatory anti consumer practices are industry standard.
The lesson is this: you have to crush these things utterly, without mercy, at the first sign of incursion. If you ignore the problem and assume reality will take care of it, you will live to regret your inaction.
"these college kids will grow out of it when they enter the workforce"
and then the seas fucking parted for them
That's because they were designed to enter the workforce as a the suicide bombers that they are.
It's directly analogous to a child that grows up in an abusive household. They don't question it because they have no frame of reference. Abuse is simply "normal" to them. Then they grow up to be abusers themselves - again, because it's normal.
Zoomers have never known a world that wasn't defined almost entirely by anti-white hatred.
"Everybody wanna be a gangsta until it time to do gangsta sheeit" - Chinese Philosopher Ma Ni Ga
I'm an avid scholar of Oswald Spengler's works, and I believe we are witnessing the era of "second religiousness" that he predicted would occur in all Late Civilizations.
It's almost cliche and trite now to point out the seemingly religiousness nature of the woke, with the extremes of the trans stuff being arguably the most cult like. But I don't think most people appreciate the degree to which this is, quite literally, a new faith that has emerged.
Some people interpreted the age of second religiousness to mean a revival of Christianity. I think instead this new woke religion is what has emerged, with trans people the most extreme adherents. They've literally mutilated their bodies for their faith.
Christians will be upset to hear it, but this woke faith draws much from Judeo-Christian-Islamic traditions: they have their own prophets, martyrs, "holy" texts, rites, rituals, festivals, and symbols. It's essentially becoming the state religion too.
So yes, some of these people truly believe what they are saying, just as surely as a Christian will believe that Jesus is their lord and savior or a Muslim will believe that Muhammad is the prophet of God.
So many flagellates.
The current tranny thing reminds of the Russian Skoptsy. Warning: NSFL if you decide to look them up.
They self Eunuched? That's pretty hardcore.
Why would we be upset? What you really mean to say is that they are a religion. All religions have that stuff in one form or another. I would only be upset if you for some reason insisted them using religious benchmarks is somehow our fault.
The woke takes its forms of religious expression and thinking directly from those religions. Its metaphysical lineage comes straight through Christianity and Judaism in particular (see more below).
In other words, if there were no Magian religions, there would never have been a woke religion now (the West would likely have something else that would have contributed to its eventual decline though).
I don't really mean to say that they are religion. I explicitly called it a religion in my first post.
Many religions do NOT have all the things I cited, particularly martyrs or prophets, and no groups of religions insist on and develop them as strongly as the Magian religions and their descendants. And no priesthood, orthodoxy, or missionary zeal matches that of the Magian, and so the same with the woke.
The call to proselytize, the adherence to a strict orthodoxy, squabbling over the correct interpretation of the faith, great concern with sins and salvation, apocalyptic visions of the future unless one repents,...am I describing Christianity or the woke here?
It is no more your "fault" than Abraham's, Zoroaster's, Mithras', Jesus', or Muhammad's fault. It is simply a current of history that has come to its culmination and conclusion. But Christians in particular are very sensitive on the ties between their own faith and that of the left in general, and the woke in particular.
Hmmmm, could it be... satan?
we're still well into his age
You mean Abrahamic.
In any case. I agree with you, but I also believe that we are still going to see a "4th Great Awakening" of Christendom for the rest of the West. Just as the 2nd Great Awakening created a plethora of folkway religions in the US, there will also be more than one new religion in this wave.
No, I meant exactly what I wrote.
Okay, I'll bite, what's the difference?
If I was concerned with brevity, I would have stated "Magian" (Spengler's term for not just the Jewish, Christian, and Islamic religions, but also other contemporaneous faith like Zoroastrianism and the various mystery cults).
Rather, I explicitly stated Jewish, Christian, and Islamic together for the same reason that you cited them as Abrahamic. I find Christians are less comfortable when hearing their faith unequivocally stated side by side with Jews and Christians, and prefer the umbrella term "Abrahamic" instead. Your pedantic response lends credence to my observation.
Note, I have no particular problem with Christians. I simply don't have any interest in making them feeling comfortable on topics they may find unsettling.
I think that's a good observation. The subversives weren't really high on their own supply, they were cynically manipulating. Now, however we've got a generation that accepts critical theory instead of critical thinking.
It feels like less people than ever are questioning authority, power, 'academics' unless the corporate press gives them the go-ahead with whatever buzz word label is the most evil this week applied. I'll take skeptics in my life, anything, just not these true believers. Why are so many people such conformists now?
Is it education? Social media? Maybe social media is the ultimate peer pressure?
It's the information age.
People know that if they do research they'll find out the truth about anything. The upside to that is that you are reassured in your views that you already had. The downside is that you're wrong, you're going to have to admit you were wrong, you should have known better by researching it early, and probably it'll lead to finding out you're wrong about related things.
The downside is way, way worse than the upside because people hate being wrong. Even on disposable, nickname accounts like here or reddit it's really hard for people to admit being wrong about inconsequential stuff.
So they just turn off. Better to mindlessly believe authority than be informed.
You can't really make being wrong less hurtful because this is ingrained in our core psyche by evolution. What we can do instead is ruthlessly mock idiots so the upside of not being wrong is a bigger draw. For instance, never forgive the vax mandate people and always rub their noses in it that they should have known better.
They are authoritarians who use the appeal to experts fallacy to maintain control, of course they won't tear down the structure they're perched atop. Allowing questions is dangerous to their hegemony.
Agreed. Love your user name. Mama Tried
RIP The Hag.
In the JFK era they tried to make it seem like Russia was more dangerous than it was. Then they started to believe it. No one knows if they fell for it, or got new information that changed their opinions.
Now it's the reverse, where they make Russia out to be less dangerous than it is while also being far-reaching and influential (which they aren't). They have nuclear weapons, we can't bully them around the way we did Afghanistan and Iraq.
The boomers who grew up fearing the Russians under JFK are the ones in charge of everything today, 60 years later.
DONT take any queues on consensus from reddit. Reddit is filled with bots and shills whose foremost purpose is to practice Concensus Cracking. Basically a human brain hack that you can only conquer via awareness
I agree, but it does give us perspective into young people and blue-pillers. I still here similar narratives from both.
I've always believed that they truly did believe all the crazy shit they're saying and doing. It's the result of 100 years of feminist indoctrination in school.
1000 years ago, did tribesman believe it was evil spirits that caused diseases? You bet they did. We have the same situation here. Instead of evil spirits you have the patriarchy.
Social media and the internet being too accessible to people who don't have the mental fortitude to handle it correctly, combined with refinements in techniques and tools, mean that communist pathologies spread much, much quicker than ever before.
This is the essence of authoritarianism. This is also the point of propaganda in the reverse direction.
You can prove your unlimited power over someone when they choose to willingly believe something they know to be a lie.
You can prove your unlimited power over your vassals when they willingly repeat something they know to be a lie.
You can prove your unlimited power over your enemies when they willingly repeat something they know to be a lie, simply to 'keep the peace'.
Whatever you do, always remember that "Better Dead Than Red" isn't an ideological position, it's a statement of fact. The killing fields of Cambodia are filled to the brim with party loyalists. Anti-Leftists were forced into the ocean, and they still fared better than the people who stayed. Speak the truth, and only the truth. You will be kicked in the face for it by Leftists, their vassals, and their slaves; but you are going to be a lot better off than they will be.
Boomers and Gen X sad idly by while this stuff was marching through the institutions. Now we reap the collapse. The sooner the better.
As millennials and zed jack off on phones and cry about how they ‘inherited’ unsolvable problems as if they are somehow different than any other generation in that capacity. Cry harder faggot.
Because marxists run the education system, social emotional learning is marxist indoctrination.
I heard Yarvin call it the Cult of Overton, and I think that's a very fitting name.
It's clearly a cult.
They are fully brainwashed NPCs, only able to think within the confines of the dogma, an ever narrowing space.
In 2010 they were largely able to think for themselves. Thinking requires uncertainty, it requires openness - the building blocks of which are premises, hypothesis, theories, hypotheticals, etc.
But the cult demands conclusions. Whether that's "the word of God" or "settled science", appeals to authority or "common knowledge", "scientists agree" or "our priest says".
Like cancer the brain virus spreads. The cult demanding an ever increasing list of conclusions. And as the list grows, the space to think shrinks. Until eventually, all that is left is an NPC who just seems to know everything, have a rehearsed answer to everything; an answer that's repeated by all the other cult members. The metamorphosis is complete.
The change since 2010 is due to two things. Firstly that mass psychology, aka propaganda, is a new field barely over half a century old. There have been significant advances in the last few decades. The methods of the clergy class and the brainwashing itself are far more effective. Analogously, the field advanced from blood draining leeches in the 60s to echocardiograms and hip replacements in 2010 - and from that to laser surgery and crispr today. Reminds me of this text that u/Assassin47 shared here yesterday: https://files.catbox.moe/nv38ye.jpeg
And secondly it's social media. Brain viruses need a medium to spread through. Long ago that was conversations in the tribe, then through organized events the city, through the printing press the nation or the empire, and through radio and TV the world. But conversations, sermons, or books; none of it was nearly as effective as social media. Now people are plugged in from they wake up till they sleep, completely sequestered from opposing views, under huge group pressure, in a panopticon that scrutinizes their every word, surrounded by indoctrination on every side.
We're seeing the results and it's remarkable. The complete annihilation of the self - the total transformation of the individual into the redditor.
Moldbug is a faggot.
Why do I even bother.
Because the inverse offers even less hope.
Which is hilarious, because literally ALL of it is bullshit.
The whole tranny thing is completely astroturfed by powerful women on both sides. Pay no attention to any of the discussions until they involve directly calling this out. It's a civil war between feminists who want to castrate men and have those eunuchs as slaves, and feminists who want to kill men.
The only answer to the transgender problem is to kick women off their pedestal and out of education. The experiment of having women teach boys has ended exactly how "misogynists" predicted, with women psychologically harming the boys for the gain of the sisterhood.
Dear God, do you ever shut the fuck up?
He is the most demented, monomaniacal gimmick poster I've ever seen.
Well, we could talk about Pfizer engineering their own variants to sell more vaxxes.
You know, I could probably buy that argument…
I’m sure you’ll go off on a tangent, but yeah, this I could actually see as a reasonable, tbh…
That would be preferable, yes. That issue needs more circulation in the public consciousness. Reignite the public's mistrust of large corporations. That used to be a thing.