Trump separated himself from the pack in 2016 by campaigning on building the wall, deporting illegals, draining the swamp, and locking up Hillary.
If he tries running on the same or similar issues this time around, the stench of bullshit will be too much to ignore except for his most devoted followers.
IMO, he'll probably run on "I'm not Biden," and I'm sure with how bad Biden is, he'll win just off of that.
The sad part is, this will be another wasted election to try and get an actual change candidate who won't sell out as much. Too bad Rand Paul has a terrible sense of what grassroots Republican voters want. Last time around, he was pandering to try in bring in more black voters. Fucking eh, what a mess.
If I had to guess...
"Look at how good we've had it in 16-20, then the election was stolen and everything went to shit. How about we do 16-20 again?"
Well he is something of a lolbert. Libertarian values and Nationalist values don't clash well most of the time.
A lot of libertarians don't understand that in the real world libertarian governance can only exist with strong nationalism and border controls. ("communists must be physically removed")
Open borders only make sense within the confines of a protected territory, and only with voluntary support. Otherwise, collectivists and their slave armies invade and kill everyone and take our shit.
A libertarian argument against mass migration is rather simple, but I hardly see anyone making it. If you want to live some place, you have to: buy property and get a job.
That sounds pretty simple, but Corporate Colonialism is what supports mass migration, and what they do is colonize places to import people to in people movement schemes. If you try to come to America, the same way a Virginian might try to move to Pennsylvania, foreign migration to the US would fucking collapse. If you move from Virginia to Pennsylvania, you need to: know the laws, find a specific time, buy a house in PA, sell your house in VA, and have a brand new job waiting for you in PA, all at your own personal expense. It's a bitch and 2 halves.
Then you actually have to integrate. If you can't get along with your neighbors, even if it's their fault, you'll have to self-deport to somewhere else and start the whole process all over again.
Instead, corporations, governments and NGOs promise foreign colonists: jobs, movement, welfare, healthcare, subsidies, and property for merely existing. As for integration, you don't have to because the organizations will buy up land for you to colonize so you never have to integrate, or even interact, with the local community. Hell, you don't even have to learn the local dialect.
The perfect AnCapistan position would be that mass migration is utterly impossible because property rights are too well secured by individuals to even allow it, and no support would be given to foreigners who must integrate at cost. A Libertarian solution would require a minimum of national borders with an armed military prepared to defend those borders in order to protect the property rights of the individuals.
That's not the case in America. The US is an inherently philosophical liberal country. Libertarianism in the US is American Civic Nationalism by nature.
Koch Brothers Libertarianism is Corporatism wearing a Friedman skin-suit.
Nationalism in other countries isn't going to be inherently Libertarian or Liberal, like in Ireland where it would be a kind of Catholic Irish Nationalism.
Yeah! "Pursuit of happiness," baby! The Revolution was motivated by private property rights (or "greed" as your Fabian Socialists might put it).
The merchant stands shoulder-to-shoulder with the farmer and the tradesman, with everyone having the opportunity to prosper, participate in his own governance, practice his religion without molestation, and air his political opinions and grievances in a free press without fear of reprisal.
Jesus, how naieve and quaint that sounds today!
This concept of liberty was one of the themes in my elementary school Civics class. I imagine these days immigrants, queers, troons, and feminists are held up as the prototypical Americans and the state as savior/benign rich uncle who is beyond criticism has replaced the idea of self-reliance, what with self-reliance being "white" and all.
Absolutely fucking not.
The problem isn't that the central bank is controlled by oligarchs. The problem is that we have a central bank at all in defiance of the very premises of our republic.
Scatter to the winds. We don't need a new agency. The DIA, State, and DOJ can do that stuff, restricted by law and executive oversight. Get rid of FBI too. Simply replace with state agencies.
Sure at the federal level, because the federal government does not have the authority to regulate drugs. Which means states can and will continue to ban certain drugs. Not something the President should have any power over.
-Dissolve CIA & FBI, give their budgets to ICE & border patrol
-Abolish the Federal Reserve
-Reinstate Smith-Mundt
-Arrest all journalists
-Pull America out of NATO
-Re-criminalize weed, institute death penalty for drug dealers
Immigration will continue to be an issue, same with deporting illegals, which will be made easier by the depression we are in.
The economic depression will be the next issue.
Actually locking up some people from the current regime will actually be popular.
Getting the US out of a proxy war with Russia will be a successful campaign, and he's one of the only presidents in recent history with a real track record to prove that he can avoid war.
You're completely wrong on Rand Paul, and pulling blacks and latinos away from the democrats is actually a lethal strategy for the Dems, because they need near unanimous support. If black support for Dems dropped down to 70%, the Democrats literally couldn't win an election. And there is genuine room among blacks and latinos on: immigration, crime, and family values.
Mass deportations of illegals is what actually got Trump most of his support among blacks, because illegals are taking poor black men's jobs even more than they are taking poor white men's jobs.
Trump was the most pro-black republican president and he only pulled about 2% more black votes after all he did for them.
Chasing the black vote has always been a losing strategy for republicans and it just turns off White voters - the people actually voting for republicans.
Neither of these is true.
First off, it doesn't piss off white voters, white people really don't care that some people appeal to black voters. It's not a zero sum game.
Second, Trump wasn't anywhere near the most 'pro-black' or even the most popular among blacks. Instead, some of the polling shows that the gender divide was a hell of an issue. 45% support among black men, and 2% support among black women. Black National Socialism regarding George Floyd was a major effort to contain losses of the black vote. And we're assuming that what we have as accurate black vote statistics isn't entirely fraudulent (which it clearly fucking is given that it was predominantly ultra-blue urban cores which perpetuated most of the voter fraud, using dead, moved, or non-existent black voters). And like I said, the things swaying black votes are things that are already present in Conservative talking points, so there's not even an argument to change. All that said, support for Democrats among blacks continues to steadily decline since it's peak in the 70's.
Yes, it does. You can ask around in White Nat forums for people who voted for him in 2016 and if they voted for him again in 2020. The only reason they voted for him in the first place is because they thought he was pro-White. Once he exposed himself, the incentive to vote for him was gone.
In fact, the White voters he lost would've probably pushed him passed the margin of cheating.
And I'm not even going to debate the failures of chasing the black vote. That's well documented since republicans lost the black vote. Black people who would consider voting republican are already doing so and they're doing so because they believe in the principles of Conservatism.
Only leftists and insane shitlibs ever thought the man who won Jessie Jackson's rainbow award was specifically pro-White. He's not even conservative. These are mainstream media talking points. It's a joke how Chris Wallace repeatedly asks him to denounce white supremacist views (which is the same as white-nat to normies), but he always does denounce it.
In real life, there's definitely Whites who hate the Platinum plan and other appeals to the Black community, but that's not going to stop us voting for him. It's a complete non-issue.
If you are actually a legitimate White Nationalist, I hope you take what's discussed online with a grain of salt. Most of those places are honeypots for social justice activists conducting "research" on hate speech, if not run by the FBI itself. (even if you mod one, you can't guarantee that your most active users aren't feds or whatever unless you know them in person)
The idea that White Nationalist support for Trump, which is statistically insignificant due to being smaller than the confidence interval in any of his polls, should be taken as a representation of a lack of support among white people is retarded.
I don't even know how any WN's would have come to that conclusion anyway. The man has a long history of supporting black causes and being opposed to racism, even going back to the Central Park murder. It's like claiming Barry Goldwater was a staunch white nationalist. The only way you get to that idea is solely by listening to Leftist media.
Besides, there are fewer White Nationalists in America than gays. I know white racists who wouldn't support White Nationalism because it's stupid. There might be as many transpeople as WN's.
As far as anyone can tell, white support for Donald Trump hasn't really changed. White Leftists (including WNs) are obviously some of his biggest detractors. His biggest lack of support among white voters are white college educated suburban women (even the married ones). Exactly zero of whom are WNs. Being mean on Twitter did more to hurt his support among whites than anything else because of the sensibilities of middle-class suburban white women.
Yeah, and you can expand that number.
LOL bro, you're calling people retarded while thinking that blacks believe in Conservatism.
Stop it, just stop. Please. Go back to reddit where people actually believe this crap.
Ironically "Donald Trump courts the white nationalist vote" is precisely the kind of narrative that is allowed and encouraged on reddit. Not believing that, or promoting "Black Conservatism" is more likely to get you downvoted or banned there depending on the sub.
"Larry Elder doesn't real"
That's what I heard.
I heard all the same arguments about Latino's too, and DeSantis might win Miami-Dade county.
I actually remember Larry Elder talking to Candice Owens and saying: "I remember when Thomas Sowell and I were basically the entirety of the Black Conservative movement". Things have been steadily shifting in this direction.
Trump's idea of winning over black voters was the platinum plan.
Can there be at least one party that isn't trying to funnel white blood and treasure to the appeasement of black people?
This one might be easier said than done, due to the strangeness of the issue. Basically, everything we have seen thus far show that the majority of people, Left, Right, and Center, acknowledge that we are in a proxy war with Russia, but also say “That’s a good thing.” Their only real concerns I have found come from “What if it goes nuclear?” and “I like weapons, but why so much money?”
It’s one of those that I know rankles people on this board, but all of the evidence show the average American is very much on team “Fuck Russia, Slava Ukraine”. Before we continue, it is worth pointing out that while feelings are strong, it’s not so strong it will ruin anyones support. Which is why Rand Paul can take the radical (to the average) opinion of stopping support and not really move the needle on his popularity.
If Trump, or anyone else, wants to fulfill the standard of stopping the war, they would have do these things (as I have found):
Continue the weapon shipment, or even increase them. As most people I have talked to are in favor of even heavier firepower like tanks, jets, and cruise missiles. One absolute mad lad I met even suggested giving Ukraine their nukes back, but that was radical in the other direction from what I have found.
Stop money payments. It’s easy to corruption away money, a lot harder with physical supplies.
While finding peace is preferable, not at the expense of throwing Ukraine to the wolves. So any peace can’t let Ukraine just be turned into some rump state, and must be allowed to be a threat to Russia long term.
Russia must bleed. As long as Putin is in charge, people want to see him swing from a post, and won’t take no for an answer. Or at least isolate him from the global community (which I am sure the Ruskies are also fine with).
Make it obvious to China that if they try anything with Taiwan, they will suffer the same fate as above, or worse. Since most people still see China as the larger threat.
Very tall order, might be impossible. But if anyone can do it, it would probably be Trump (since he calmed both N.Korea and the Middle East), and not enough people think he is some Russian puppet to keep him from election.
Keep in mind that talking to people in real life (or on forums linked to their real identity) is going to introduce natural bias, because we HAVE to support Ukraine. You're not hearing opposition. If Ukraine wasn't the Current Thing the media was telling us to care about, you'd meet more people who don't care about either of those countries and don't want us involved. You might even find a few who like or respect Putin. But those opinions are unacceptable for patriotic Americans to have.
But these are people who distrust the media and wouldnt piss on a reporter if they were on fire. It has nothing to do with Ukraine being the Current Thing. It has to do with people genuinely enraged, mostly driven by them seeking out their own information with direct battlefield video and reporting (that never even touches the media in many cases), Many of them even go further than what the Media says.
In fact, I know people who were being tepid in the days before the invasion saying that it was a bad idea to keep poking the bear and that we should back off. Then the second Russian tanks rolled across the border, they said "I changed my mind. BURN RUSSIA TO THE GROUND!" I have also heard many a "the line must be drawn here" and comparing it to the Nazi's invading Poland, and how the French and British were cowards for not doing more and "We are going to show those Limey bastards and Frogs what a real ally looks like."
Same with the polling and surveys on the matter. Its one thing when you get a contentious issue, or one that is controversial. But when there is almost 70% approval across the board, that is not controversial and shows a definitive political direction.
I know its not what they want to hear, but the people on here are actually in the minority on the issue, by far.
EDIT: Another thing I just thought of. The media has been through about 3 or 4 different "Current Things" since Ukraine was invaded, but the support for Ukraine has remained high. Which tells me that rather than it being a media propped up "Current Thing", it was a genuine reaction that the media just happened to be on the same side as the general public on.
He can run on finishing the wall: no one in their right mind expected that to get finished in four years, and sane voters will find it perfectly reasonable if he promises to complete it in his second term.
With MAGA control of congress, the necessary bureaucratic purge and ramping up deportations will be much easier to achieve this time around.
He was also responsible for the best economy the US has had in this century, so if by "I'm not Biden", what he means is "I will at least do something to stop the bleeding after the current administration's attempt at economic suicide", then that will likely also be a winner.
"Never let 2020 happen again"
This encapsulates everything very neatly: Race riots. Media lies. Fraudulent election. Scam epidemic. Economic breakdown. Overt technocratic excess. Full and total assault on basic American rights (free speech, assembly, face your accuser, bear arms, and many others).
His only challenge will be to explain his part in the breakdown, but that is frankly a simple ask. Because the left has never let up on him and continue to blame him for every ill since he's been gone and continues their witch-hunt persecution of him in his own home years on, all he has to do is say:
"They began this in 2016. They were flummoxed and dismayed when we won. They schemed and seethed every day to destroy what we were trying to build. They ran a totally fraudulent congressionally backed quasi-legal assault against me personally for 4 solid years that started with them sending spies into my actual election campaign before I was even elected.
They failed at every turn. They tried impeachment after impeachment. Even attempted impeachment after I wasn't even president anymore, something that has never been done and likely isn't even technically possible, but they tried it. They failed. And failed and failed. And it drove them crazy.
In their totally deranged state, they unleashed every hellish and apocalyptic attack they could muster, not against me, but against you. They sent Antifa into your peaceful streets to loot and burn. They created a worldwide panic and engineered an economic collapse around a disease that we now know was not that bad, all for the sake of carnage. Misery and pain are their favorite weapons and they wield them mercilessly against the American people, not caring about the consequences so long as in all the havoc and mayhem they were able to Steal a Presidential Election.
Anyone who recognized what was going on, anyone who raised a hand in dissent, were quashed by Social Media Overlords working hand in hand with the American Government, the British Government, the CHINESE Government, who felt that bypassing the First Amendment was as easy as asking the 'private sector' to do it for them.
These Tech Tsars colluded to actively prevent ME, the actual current American President, from speaking truth to the public. That did not bother them in the slightest, they were gleeful and happy to do it. How much less, then, do you think they regard you individually? You are beneath their contempt. They wouldn't even care if you died.
As your next president, I promise you this: The gloves are off. We won't be draining the swamp this time. We'll be bulldozing it. No one guilty will be ignored, we will pursue justice for ourselves and all future generations. Elections will be made sacred. Law and Order will be restored. Big Media and Big Tech will be scrutinized, and their cushy deals and government connections will be laid bare and reconsidered publicly before you all.
We will not allow a culture of intimidation, bullying, fear, cancellation, fake-news, and fake-politics to become America's normal. We'll Make America Great Again. Again."
Just a little spitball though-experiment. I think it came out fairly well.
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You see, this is why I don't vote, because my question to him would be: as the chief law enforcer in the country, you were in position to do something about these riots and crack down on these organizations. So why didn't you do anything about it while you had the opportunity?
His answer (because I know all the angles) would be: because the system was corrupt and my hands were tied.
This is BS. He ran on draining the swamp and he had the authority to fire and pick both interim and permanent replacements (which he did). In both cases, he failed, and people still blame Barr and Wray even though Trump personally appointed them. The DOJ takes marching orders from the President and the FBI takes marching orders from the DOJ. He chose not to drain the swamp. Instead, he chose to fill the swamp and protect it ("The Clintons are good people, I don't want to hurt them"). No excuse, you don't have my vote.
I'd been thinking for at least two years that there wasn't a snowball's chance in hell Trump would run again or get reelected, and that the Democrats were being paranoid over nothing.
Only just occurred to me after that announcement that maybe the Democrats knew that and were intentionally baiting him into running, for some larger objective in-mind.
Likely something like a major false flag operation so they can truly advance a campaign against would-be "dissidents" and "treacherous rebels".
If I recall, in Timothy Zahn's EU books, there was a backstory where Palpatine had deliberately incited and sort of orchestrated the Rebel Alliance into forming a large rebellion, with the intent to crush all potential threats in a single crushing blow, and largely eliminate any potential opposition.
Good God we have to deal with two more years of this nonsense.
Already feels like we're 4 years in
If he is the nominee for 2024 he will mainly run on his personal grievances like "the election was stolen from me in 2020".
Trump will sadly turn off so many swing voters unnecessarily.
I don't think Trump can win a presidential race ever again with how many people now blindly hate him.
I pray our 2024 primary voters learn a lesson this Tuesday after they see Mastriano lose PA governor.
To maximize our chances of winning in 2024 we need someone new like Ron DeSantis or hell even Kari Lake or Glenn Youngkin.
Rand Paul is really bad at campaigning so he is not preferable at all.
I think he can, based on his track record with the economy and how bad Biden is.
And Biden didn't even win, they just rigged the election, but we haven't done much to crack down on voter fraud, so that'll be a hurdle.
I read your other post where you said he'll lose because he attended J6, but what is the lesson to be learned?
Sincere question, I haven't kept up with this race and I don't care too much for elections because I think they're rigged and the candidates usually sell out.
I wouldn't vote for any of those. In the case of DeSantis, IMO, he's better off as a Governor and we just dangle a carrot in front of him so he does a good job in Florida thinking he can run for President.
Yeah, sadly, and he doesn't have his ears to the ground. With that said, IMO, he would be the best choice if he could actually win.
When given a choice between Biden and Trump in 2024, most normies will foolishly choose Biden because they impulsively seethe when they even see the orange man.
Trump's chances of winning 2024 against even Biden are honestly quite abysmal.
In the dark timeline where he becomes the R nominee in 2024, I still would vote for Trump. I will vote for whoever the R nominee is in 2024 but I prefer someone new without Trump's baggage.
Look at my previous comment in another thread to see what Mastriano's problems in PA are:
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/16ZDcSGVd9/x/c/4TnOijacrKN
Trump will face the exact same problems in 2024 nationwide if he is the nominee.
You don't want candidates that are absolute poison to suburbs in swing states. Trump in 2016 didn't have the 1/6 stigma.
I like Rand Paul but even if he was excellent at campaigning he is not my favorite pick for 2024. I disagree with Rand Paul's libertarian views when it comes to big tech. Rand Paul believes that the govt should not regulate at all against their bias.
In terms of possible 2024 candidates:
Kari Lake would be the most based on policy and she has real charisma.
Glenn Youngkin would be okay on policy but he is excellent at campaigning.
Youngkin would also be the most palatable candidate to suburbs so he likely would have the highest electability.
Ron DeSantis is the balance between Lake and Youngkin. DeSantis fuses pretty good policy positions with a high level of electability. DeSantis lacks Lake's charisma though.
My personal ranking for 2024 would be
Big gap in quality
This reads like a press release straight from Con Inc. That is a gross underestimate of Trump's cult and overestimate of spreadsheet Americans. Trump isn't some great bastion of based, but his arc still has a third act.
I despise Con Inc and I just want to win 2024.
Don't you dare lump me in with scumbag Bushites who want someone for 2024 like Larry Hogan or Liz Cheney.
Trump's third act would end up ushering in a second term of Biden or whatever other shit Dem they run.
Trump's cult is absolutely delusional about his 2024 chances.
A 78 year old Trump running again is an asinine idea.
I agree 100%. He's running, though. His first shot at DeSantis came like yesterday or somewhere in the last few days, calling him "Ron DeSanctimonious." Trump is expected to declare after the midterms, but who knows whether or not DeSantis will run, though he's being courted by rich R donors.
A strong contender could actually discredit and defeat Trump in primaries. But if/when one does, he'd better lay off the bullshit scandals and especially the Jan 6 lie.
Who? Prior to Trump announcing in his run for 2016, many thought the Republican primaries were stacked. He dismantled them all thoroughly, so hard that Cruz almost lost to Beto afterwards. If you think that won't happen to DeSantis or whomever else wants to try, I've got a bridge real cheap
If Trump wants to run, he's the nominee
That was then. The Trump mystique has faded a bit, I think, and many (like me) who are voting anti-D want to see anyone but Trump as the R nominee, simply because he galvanizes progressives and Ds into going to the polls and his candidacy would INVITE cheating just as it did in 2020, an election in which people admitted to it in print.
Of course, if he's nominated I'll vote for him.
This is really the sticking part for me. If Trump were still in his 50s or even his early 60s I could see running him again. However, the dude's an old man at the end of the road now. He shouldn't be running simply due to how old he is.
Maybe, but we're still voting for the man. NO BRAKES ON THIS TRAIN! GIVE THIS PEDE A BRICK!
Saw some poll recently that said like 70%? of people (a lot whatever the % was) wouldn't want a candidate that claimed an election was stolen.
So I think you're right about that part and that Trump will run on being gyped out of 2020.
But on the other hand, over half of voters say the election was stolen. So it can be a case of people insisting they don't like what Trump is saying and then actually voting for him because of what he's saying. Like in 2016 when people said grabbing by the pussy was outrageous and then voted for him because they kinda liked that he grabbed pussies.
Given the continuing cheating and Trump running on being gyped I think the only hope is a Trump + DeSantis ticket with DeSantis being the security blanket.
god I really hope he doesn't run. The well is too thoroughly poisoned.
He sure sounds like he is.