Stonetoss on AI-generated art
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The best modern "art" I've ever come across is early videogame soundtracks. Uematsu is unironically the best composer of our time.
Visual art? Barely exists as a medium anymore. It's a vehicle for money laundering and fraud, wrapped up with a pretty little bow of pretentious fart sniffing. The closest thing you can get to a real artist in the modern world is Ansel Adams and he's been dead for half a century. Miss me with that schizophrenic, soup can bullshit.
I can't remember where I saw it, but someone was lambasting the death of progression in the classical music genre, AKA symphonies and stuff like that, before someone else chimed up and said that all major progression or further exploration of that genre in the modern era has been in video game soundtracks. Even modern soundtracks are doing more for symphonic music than anyone else. I think Nier Automata is a decent example of that.
Yep, classical music has been completely absorbed by the Japanese, who carry that particular torch with video games. Dancing Mad from FF6 for example, is Mozart quality and they made it with chiptunes.
I haven't played Nier but I have heard good things.
I love piano arrangements of those soundtracks which really bring out how 'classical' they are. This Chrono Trigger one is excellent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3_MJnL_e9I&t=1142s
Nier music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPZekUCTMx8&list=PLrt6E1gMfuuBYMwITXmssW7AmcthummzS&ab_channel=DeaconofZoknoraam
An analyses on Nier automata music : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfskxqaY2d8&ab_channel=Polygon
That analysis missed some really important points.
What I loved about the nier soundtrack was its adaptive/dynamic system. Each of these already amazing songs had 4 (5 really) versions that vary in intensity, as more and more enemies join the fray the orchestra picks up, the chorus swells, and then seamlessly fades back down to gentle when things are less tense. It's not just that the songs are great, its that they swell and change in time with your actions as you play, 11/10
It's got a plethora of 'epic' scores, truely amazing battle tunes I could listen to endlessly https://soundcloud.com/schwarzwald/nier-automata-a-beautiful-song , some of the most amazing orchestral 'epic' songs around. Carmina burana and 1812 overture friendship is over, nier is my best friend now. The nier expansion to final fantasy also has some bangers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GidkSDUMI8E
It's one of the only games I own the soundtracks for, and one of the only soundtracks without a weak one. Oh sure I don't listen to the kid villiage song often, but in game it absolutely fits.
I think what's really interesting is that he's been playing with properly good sound for a while, going back to the drakengard soundtrack. I've never heard a more disjointed, tense, and hard to listen to battle theme. If reality is breaking, the drakengard ost is how it will sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLSmHwihXrg . It's a cacophonous halting skipping mess and it works perfectly. Experimental and doing something new without sticking a banana on the wall. Just enough oddity to be memorable, but good. The game as a whole was too expierimental and didnt hit the mark, but the ost hit that sweet spot I think.
All sampling and using classical music.
Japan really is carrying on the tradition, and they are doing so admirably.
You've got me sat here nerding out and ranting about all its good qualities and the lore. It's that good, cmon.
I think it worked better than people think, the parts people hate about it are necessary for the "theme" to work as intended. The issue is that the mark isn't congruent with "want to play."
And yet, unlike most others in that category where people watch an LP of it, playing through that psychodrama is necessary to actually appreciate it.
Ok yeah you're right, that's a better way to put it. It did hit a mark, its own goals to match its themes. But it didn't then hit what most consumers would be after, so I'm still going to put it in the 'too experimental isle'.
But even there, its an example of only just going too far over the line. It's still got a lot of good music, story, ideas, that are 100x better than a turd-in-a-can modern art.
Drakengard OST - Twelfth Chapter - In the Sky is kinda creepy. Like the sound moving from one ear to the next i dont know how they make that effect. The only other song i've heard that does that is Ultimecia Boss Theme from ff8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhat6WJN_L0&ab_channel=JoshB
A lot of the soundtrack is like that yeah, very unnerving and jarring. Effective for the mood they are trying to set.
The effect is called panning IIRC. It just uses the same systems all soundtracks and games use for directionality. Using one headphone more than the other, and adding a slight delay to one ear. Gives a sense of directionality and things moving (if you have your headphones or speakers set up to take advantage of it)
The one you linked is really interesting, its like a mix of diablo's tristram track meets tubular bells (the classic exorcist segment of it) before shifting to classic rpg battle theme that is slightly disjointed.
If you've never heard the Metal Gear Solid 4 Main Theme, it's an incredible piece of art.
the Chinese or at least yu peng chen/hoyomix have been doing the same
as much as I hate the idea of the gatcha monetization system and the entire east taiwan thing I have to say genshin impact has some top tier music
Movie soundtracks too. Howard Shore's work for Lord of the Rings is excellent.
Nier Gestalt/Replicant had a woman invent an entire language that she never revealed to anyone and use it to sing the entire soundtrack.
Drakengard 1 took short 6-15 second clips of classical music, layered and warped them, and created a soundtrack that was meant to make you intentionally feel like you were going insane the entire time (it worked).
Taro has been using music in progressive and interesting ways long before Automata.
Yeah. I love early game composers. Terran themes for starcraft. Tiberian sun ost for command and conquer. Golden eye 64 track too.
Uematsu is an absolute genius. I'm also personally quite partial to Yoko Shimomura's stuff. Her music is way better than FF15 deserved, and KH music blows me away time and time again.
And then about 3 years ago, I found out she was also responsible for a lot of Street Fighter 2 music.
Apparently she also composed a single song for Mega Man 5--the theme to the Wily levels.
But it was never confirmed if it was her.
It IS known she worked for Capcom at the time, however.
She did the Adventures in the Magic Kingdom OST, meaning she covered the Mickey Mouse Club theme decades before she touched Kingdom Hearts.
I adore her work on the SMRPG and Mario and Luigi RPG OSTs.
It's a tough call between Uematsu, Koji Kondo, Yuzo Koshiro, David Wise and Motoi Sakuraba, in my eyes.
But I 100% agree otherwise.
I like Yuki Kajiura's music
Gave me a good chuckle, so I thought I'd post it here considering we had some AI-generated art posts lately, like these AI boobs.
Edit: In case you don't get the banana reference.
or the "take the money and run" guy.
You mean the greatest thing I've seen in a long time?
Seems like a rehash of Yoko Ono's "art".
And that's just a rip-off of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Treachery_of_Images
Seems like the further we "progress" the less effort the "artist" puts in to his work and the more pretentious the "message" gets.
That banana seems sus...
Not as sus as that power outlet.
Shouldn't be shocked that "artists" (who are overwhelmingly leftoids) are malding over the fact that technological progression makes it easier for more people to create art. It's like being mad that digital tablets exist.
to be fair i dont really like this new technology either. I appreciate good artists , and good artists are not usually leftoids(or at least they are less likely to be extremists) because they put in work. This technology is just going to discourage people from becoming good artists.
Photoshop didn't stop people from drawing with a pencil.
It actually caused the invention of digitizer tablets like Wacom tablets so people could draw in photoshop with a stylist
It did, though I know many who hate stylus drawing, and stick with their paper and pencil instead.
It’s also not so much an issue of opening up access to creating art to the masses vs how this is making art. The ai is limited to what’s being fed into it, which is other artists work. I consider ai art the same as someone tracing a bunch of images and compiling them together. It’s cool but it is limited. And unfortunately those who do not understand what goes into creating new and unique art will not understand why the concept artist is charging so much more than the ai company.
Mass Manufacturing of plates and cups did not destroy the profession of the potter completely. But it did make buying hand made plates and cups significantly more expensive with way less people doing the craft.
Bro, this technology isn't FOR people who want to be "good at art".
Good artists can spend days on a artwork, they'd get demorolized if you can do the same thing in a few seconds using a machine.
Depends on the genre and style of the art in my experience.
Is a banana taped to a wall art?
Is a crucifix submerged in a jar of piss art?
Is it art when Basquiat signs his name to random objects he comes across on the street which he does not own?
This AI-generated crap is assuredly as soulless as anything being churned out of CalArts; however it is soulless in 4k resolution. This is the logical conclusion of modern pop art.
Soulless and unlike modern woke art, gives us something we want: big boobs. It's hard to complain.
Oh yeah the booba generator is a plus, though I guess someone's been feeding it images of Ranni because there's usually way too many fingers for a two-handed woman.
Anyone can come up with these punclines. Dude's losing it.
Then do it. Force him to be better.
I'm not Stonetoss, why should I force him to be better?
People like his comics no matter how boomer-esque and predictable the punchlines have become. That's good enough for him as whatever money he makes is rolling in.
I enjoyed his old cartoons, I just feel that the new ones are lame.
And just like how pointing out Trump was a sellout back in 2017 was an unpopular opinion that eventually became acceptable and then popular, people will realize that Stonetoss comics are becoming lame, and those people downvoting me will look like stupid.
This analogy falls flat because Trump was never an ideological purist, let alone on the side of right-wingers or conservatives. He's just a pro-American businessman who wants everyone's vote. His attitude is "I don't care if you're conservative or liberal, give me a chance. Let's make a deal." People act like he was on the Right because he's the first guy in decades who doesn't treat them like deplorables.
Probably got downvotes because people enjoyed the joke and think it's a good comic, not because they disagreed with your particular critique of "early Stonetoss" vs. "modern Stonetoss". Even if he's becoming lame, this was pretty good.