My grandparents always said that about the internet. They were right. Right for the wrong reasons, but still right.
I blame the smartphone myself. When the internet quit being something you go to and instead something you were always connected to everywhere, it started going downhill fast. Social media became something too easy to do, just snap a pic and blast it to the world. It's all so impersonal and people get so addicted to it. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the technology and it's been great to strengthen relationships that started in person as a better way to keep in touch. I'll kill the connected-anywhere smartphone and social media in a blink though, and wouldn't miss that part at all.
Your smartphone theory is pretty on the mark. It was a mix of giving every retard internet access and retard proofing all internet capable devices. Back in the day you needed a desktop to get online and you needed to be at least somewhat tech literate to deal with how wonky computers could be back then. The effect was gatekeeping based on IQ and interest in tech which put a floor on the quality of internet users. That floor was blown up between 2005 and 2010, although most places remained usable until around 2014. What made it worse was the rise of social media and the resulting centralization of conversations. That was the real death knell for the old Internet, because the tranny jannies only had to infiltrate around half a dozen platforms to control the discourse. Explaining how the internet essentially caused the tranny problem and thus created armies of tranny jannies would require its own post.
No, it's the opposite direction. It's because the real world is largely shit.
The reason it really picked up is that you don't have to see the swarms of immigrants or deal with traffic. People aren't choosing social media over vacations or even nice outings, they're choosing it over going to the shitty overpriced bar or restaurant which just microwaves food.
The sad truth of this is it seems that bars and restaurants have become the pinnacle of adult socialization. I don't really like bars and drinking that much, and it's definitely a pain to try to find other things. Then the Covid clown world killed off some of it even more.
The last century has been a long tumble down of "if you aren't drinking while doing it, its not fun." And the last half century or so added "if you aren't getting high instead then its no good."
Like, nearly every non-hobby socialization revolves around either alcohol, drugs, or food for most people. And nobody seems to recognize that is a problem.
That's because drinking, getting high, and taking meals are more enjoyable with company, and providing friends with booze, dope, or food is a time-honored way to express affection.
Absolutely. Women's suffrage (19th Amendment) came out of the temperance movement (18th Amendment), the latter led by "little old ladies in tennis shoes" and that utter cunt Carrie Nation. If only we could repeal the 19th Amendment like we did the 18th.
Fucking busybody hens will never rest until all Western men are feminized. Feminists need the sex enemy to provide them a reason to be. This is why they detest trannies--they don't want any of their team going over to the other side.
Well yeah, but the times of Prohibition is when it kicked into overdrive in American culture, as the banning of it created a whole new culture of being cool, edgy, and generally just marketing it to the high heavens.
Honestly, the level of response to Prohibition did more to convince me of its point than any of the arguments against it. The execution was horrendously retarded, but the sheer depths people went to in response proved there certainly was a problem.
The rampant alcoholism that garnered sympathy for the 18th Amendment was the result of brutal urban living/working conditions brought about by rapid industrialization. People still down on the farm drank their plum wine and corn squeezin's as always with no ill social effects. Quite the contrary.
What would have happened without Prohibition? In the short-term, continued widespread urban wife-beating/drinking away the week's pay. In the long-term, probably a lower level of public drunkenness as workers' conditions improved.
All time since September 1993. One of the seasonal rhythms of the Usenet used to be the annual September influx of clueless newbies who, lacking any sense of netiquette, made a general nuisance of themselves. This coincided with people starting college, getting their first internet accounts, and plunging in without bothering to learn what was acceptable. These relatively small drafts of newbies could be assimilated within a few months. But in September 1993, AOL users became able to post to Usenet, nearly overwhelming the old-timers' capacity to acculturate them; to those who nostalgically recall the period before, this triggered an inexorable decline in the quality of discussions on newsgroups.
By this definition I never experienced a non-degraded internet, since my family didn't get a computer capable of internet access until 1995.
Edit: then later on google groups allowing you to post on Usenet dealt what was probably its killing stroke, having already long been on life support due to all the spam posted to unmoderated groups making them all but useless.
The 20th century was just as narcissistic. The fact of the matter is the current US social climate is not far removed from Weimar Germany. What’s unique today is the enabling of self indulgence and degeneracy despite knowing full well the consequences. It’s like when Joe Rogan says he has nothing but respect for onlyfans whores, I doubt he would enable his own daughter to empower herself in that way, but liberals gonna lib.
the current US social climate is not far removed from Weimar Germany.
And when the economy crashes and burns people will be a lot less willing to put up with this cultural rot. Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch went nowhere. It wasn't until the Great Depression that he gained any traction. Considering the left's penchant for seeing the next Hitler around every corner you would think they would be more careful about promoting degeneracy and economic collapse. Maybe they think the commies will win the next time.
"No one learns from history" is the consistent lesson from history. Every time, every single fucking time, people will always say, "This time it's different."
Joe is sadly a feminist and tries to sell the stupidity that comes with it, like saying women are our equals but somehow only have the agency of a 5 year old when it suits them.
Commercial sports, Movies, are all the same. We let these entertainers out earn useful members of society, when their only ability is escapism, and outside the fabric of constructive society.
Once it was common knowledge that 'celebrity' is not a compliment. Today, it really is all that matter. Demagoguery is all that matters.
The internet allowed every fool with a phone to be such a clown. I will never forgive or forget the internet for the youtube cry baby bieber becoming "aspirational" to a generation. At least the shitshow vaccines finally did something useful there.
This doesn't sound surprising or like a problem at all. Do a poll and see how many people would like to win the lottery. Or 20 years ago, ask teenagers how many would like to be a movie star.
Of course young people want a glamorous, well paying lifestyle without having to work for it. Who wouldn't?
The issue is that kids in opposing countries like Russia or China, for all their faults, want to be pilots, engineers, scientists and doctors, not vapid shitheads on the internet.
No, they are told they will be a pilot, engineer, scientist, or doctor, and they will like it. Or else they go to the gulag. You dont have to do a good job. You just have to do a job. Which is why Russia cant build jet engines, and China needs to keep stealing everyone elses tech.
Meanwhile, in the US, the people who become those professions are people who want to do it, and are therefore actually interested in becoming competent (usually). Every generation has wanted to be famous. Zoomers are no different.
Yes, of course they're fucking told, that's the entire point. Children in non-western countries are told to be the best they can be. Children in progressive western countries are told to cut their genitals off.
And yet, those non-western countries aint producing shit, while the US and the West are still home of technological innovation changing the world.
Its worth remembering: The degeneration present is entirely concentrated in a handful of Left-Wing mega-cities, who also happen to be where the media is (Hence why they blast it out on 11 to the entire world). Meanwhile, in my town, people are still having children, girls still like pink princesses, boys still like dirt and cowboys, and my alma mater is still turning out engineers who go on to actually build shit.
Meanwhile, in China, it doesnt matter if they decide to use bamboo instead of steel to reinforce the concrete. Because the engineer was chosen for loyalty after all, and he says its good enough.
Listen, I don't think we really disagree, I mean, absolutely FUCK China. Have you ever read "Poorly Made In China" by Paul Midler? It's a fascinating read, the guy could really use an editor and the whole book should have been an article, but if you can get over it, it's a fascinating read.
Anyway, I'm really not defending China, or Russia, or India, or Best Korea, or any other shithole country like that at all. I'm just really mad about the state of western civilization. The "young kids want to be tiktokers" really rubs me the wrong way because I have seen this shit in person. The country I'm from used to be known as a technology powerhouse, we used to make our own shoes, cars, aircraft, firearms, entire fucking nuclear power plants. Nowadays, we're making, what, Scrum masters? It breaks my heart. I'm doing my best to keep the tradition, but it feels futile.
Perhaps the difference is where we are from. I live in Kansas in the US, and as famous as we are for our agricultural production, we actually make aircraft as our #1 export, because Wichita is still the Air Capital of the World even after Boeing left (...then its every type of Ag product you can think of...). And while there are plenty of kids who want to become tiktokers, they see that as a hobby, not a job. Most of them still are working toward doing something actually useful. Hell, I know some of them who want to use things like TikTok to show of what farming is actually like, because they think a lot of people dont know anything about it.
Yes, the West is in a bad place, Europe especially. But I think we are turning a corner. History shows that people in decline generally dont accept it, and will seek a way out of it, one way or another. What others see as the Woke and the Left doing whatever they want because they will never lose again, I see as their last desperate gasp at power as they loot everything that isnt nailed down before they go running to their artisanal doomsday bunkers in New Zealand.
I found a similiar poll conducted by Gallup in 2005. Teacher was their top choice at 11%. However, there are some unrealistic glamorous jobs on the list too like working in a sports field or being a fashion designer.
I wouldn't doubt nearly all young boys born after 1985 wanted to be a video game designer at some point. I know it was such an issue at my public school that they would use it to promote specific classes, and the local community college had a literal waitlist on its animation department.
Don't forget that "influencer" encompasses such a broad range of topics that it also has the "get paid to do what you love."
Boys love it because they get paid to play video games, girls love it because they get paid to take selfies. Its really not hard to see why that sounds great.
Maybe not colleges, but I would bet there are 'digital marketing' or 'entrepreneurship' courses centered on this already. Social media "business" has been around long enough to get a decent idea of what works and teach it.
I guess it's a survey of teenagers, but I don't think they say. I wouldn't be as concerned with little kids outside of the fact they are aware of the existence of social media influencers at such a young age. If it's older ones, then I guess beyond social media addiction, did no one guide them towards something realistic. The whole nonsense of you can do whatever you want is BS, but something I've tried to point out to young people before is they can find something they like well enough for income and sustenance, and still "do whatever they want" on the side while still being a stable functioning adult.
One other tip for them, if they are all going to be influencers, then there is no one left to be influenced. Therefore no one is going to need influencers. I'm not sure how many of them are smart enough to get that anymore.
I can see some of this in some slightly older people too. I've got a friend that I guess would fall into the super-young millenial category. Mid-20s. Spent way too much time trying to be a "MLG pro" and ended up never working towards something else. I tried to tell him, but they don't listen. He's a good guy and not even that lazy at work, but essentially stuck in dead end jobs at this point I'm sure until he gets to be a 30-something and realizes WTF he's done.
I mean. I don't necessarily blame them considering how glamourous it's made out to be. It's the modern equivalent of wanting to be a movie star or singer, where you have this weird wealth and status about you for what is very little work. That doesn't make it good, but I can understand the naive, childish appeal to such a situation.
I'd also wonder what "social media influencer" covers. Is it just the weirdly cult-like social media circles like Instagram "famous", or is it stuff like streamers, YouTubers, political commentators, etc, etc, etc. Because the category could be broad, and the article does say things like Youtube. I don't think it's unreasonable to understand what the draw of this is. It's about the glamourous lifestyle at the end of the day, the same thing that in years gone past would draw kids to wanting to be or at least be like various celebrities.
Just the newest iteration of "anything to be on television".
Some people just want to be "famous" for the sake of being famous. Doesn't hurt that there's money and other rewards attached to becoming famous. Doesn't even matter what you're famous for, you don't even have to be famous "for" anything beyond the fact that you got famous (the Kardashians come to mind ...)
The real question is, why does society keep rewarding this shit? Do they also give their kid a cookie every time it takes its diapers off and shits on the floor?
I really don't understand this mentality. I get not knowing what you want at that age and even having outlandish ideas at some points. Still, the craziest thing I wanted as a kid was to be an astronaut, and that was only crazy because of how hard it is to get selected. I just never understood the appeal of professional athletics or acting. Maybe I just knew I wanted to use my brain and I lacked the narcissism needed to see the appeal.
Initially, the internet focused on knowledge, services, utilities. Things.
Now, the internet focuses on personalities,validation, the self. People.
This transition was, essentially, the feminization of the internet.
Combine your comment and u/GoldenPlains and we have the Fall from Eden of the Internet.
My grandparents always said that about the internet. They were right. Right for the wrong reasons, but still right.
I blame the smartphone myself. When the internet quit being something you go to and instead something you were always connected to everywhere, it started going downhill fast. Social media became something too easy to do, just snap a pic and blast it to the world. It's all so impersonal and people get so addicted to it. Don't get me wrong, I like some of the technology and it's been great to strengthen relationships that started in person as a better way to keep in touch. I'll kill the connected-anywhere smartphone and social media in a blink though, and wouldn't miss that part at all.
Your smartphone theory is pretty on the mark. It was a mix of giving every retard internet access and retard proofing all internet capable devices. Back in the day you needed a desktop to get online and you needed to be at least somewhat tech literate to deal with how wonky computers could be back then. The effect was gatekeeping based on IQ and interest in tech which put a floor on the quality of internet users. That floor was blown up between 2005 and 2010, although most places remained usable until around 2014. What made it worse was the rise of social media and the resulting centralization of conversations. That was the real death knell for the old Internet, because the tranny jannies only had to infiltrate around half a dozen platforms to control the discourse. Explaining how the internet essentially caused the tranny problem and thus created armies of tranny jannies would require its own post.
No, it's the opposite direction. It's because the real world is largely shit.
The reason it really picked up is that you don't have to see the swarms of immigrants or deal with traffic. People aren't choosing social media over vacations or even nice outings, they're choosing it over going to the shitty overpriced bar or restaurant which just microwaves food.
The sad truth of this is it seems that bars and restaurants have become the pinnacle of adult socialization. I don't really like bars and drinking that much, and it's definitely a pain to try to find other things. Then the Covid clown world killed off some of it even more.
The last century has been a long tumble down of "if you aren't drinking while doing it, its not fun." And the last half century or so added "if you aren't getting high instead then its no good."
Like, nearly every non-hobby socialization revolves around either alcohol, drugs, or food for most people. And nobody seems to recognize that is a problem.
That's because drinking, getting high, and taking meals are more enjoyable with company, and providing friends with booze, dope, or food is a time-honored way to express affection.
The only problem is excess.
This has been an issue for the last several hundred years not just the last hundred. It got so bad they even banned alcohol for a while
Bars and taverns are basically the only places men can be honest with each other, and even then under a veil of In vino veritas.
Of course, women saw that drunken camaraderie and banned it the moment they got the vote.
Absolutely. Women's suffrage (19th Amendment) came out of the temperance movement (18th Amendment), the latter led by "little old ladies in tennis shoes" and that utter cunt Carrie Nation. If only we could repeal the 19th Amendment like we did the 18th.
Fucking busybody hens will never rest until all Western men are feminized. Feminists need the sex enemy to provide them a reason to be. This is why they detest trannies--they don't want any of their team going over to the other side.
Well yeah, but the times of Prohibition is when it kicked into overdrive in American culture, as the banning of it created a whole new culture of being cool, edgy, and generally just marketing it to the high heavens.
Honestly, the level of response to Prohibition did more to convince me of its point than any of the arguments against it. The execution was horrendously retarded, but the sheer depths people went to in response proved there certainly was a problem.
The rampant alcoholism that garnered sympathy for the 18th Amendment was the result of brutal urban living/working conditions brought about by rapid industrialization. People still down on the farm drank their plum wine and corn squeezin's as always with no ill social effects. Quite the contrary.
What would have happened without Prohibition? In the short-term, continued widespread urban wife-beating/drinking away the week's pay. In the long-term, probably a lower level of public drunkenness as workers' conditions improved.
Butlerian Jihad against smart phones when?
Eternal September:
By this definition I never experienced a non-degraded internet, since my family didn't get a computer capable of internet access until 1995.
Edit: then later on google groups allowing you to post on Usenet dealt what was probably its killing stroke, having already long been on life support due to all the spam posted to unmoderated groups making them all but useless.
Remember, remember, Eternal September.
The 20th century was just as narcissistic. The fact of the matter is the current US social climate is not far removed from Weimar Germany. What’s unique today is the enabling of self indulgence and degeneracy despite knowing full well the consequences. It’s like when Joe Rogan says he has nothing but respect for onlyfans whores, I doubt he would enable his own daughter to empower herself in that way, but liberals gonna lib.
And when the economy crashes and burns people will be a lot less willing to put up with this cultural rot. Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch went nowhere. It wasn't until the Great Depression that he gained any traction. Considering the left's penchant for seeing the next Hitler around every corner you would think they would be more careful about promoting degeneracy and economic collapse. Maybe they think the commies will win the next time.
"No one learns from history" is the consistent lesson from history. Every time, every single fucking time, people will always say, "This time it's different."
Top tier retard take from Rogan
Joe is sadly a feminist and tries to sell the stupidity that comes with it, like saying women are our equals but somehow only have the agency of a 5 year old when it suits them.
My face when
Fascinating lol
Holy shit
Its just regular society on steroids.
Commercial sports, Movies, are all the same. We let these entertainers out earn useful members of society, when their only ability is escapism, and outside the fabric of constructive society.
Once it was common knowledge that 'celebrity' is not a compliment. Today, it really is all that matter. Demagoguery is all that matters.
The internet allowed every fool with a phone to be such a clown. I will never forgive or forget the internet for the youtube cry baby bieber becoming "aspirational" to a generation. At least the shitshow vaccines finally did something useful there.
This doesn't sound surprising or like a problem at all. Do a poll and see how many people would like to win the lottery. Or 20 years ago, ask teenagers how many would like to be a movie star.
Of course young people want a glamorous, well paying lifestyle without having to work for it. Who wouldn't?
The issue is that kids in opposing countries like Russia or China, for all their faults, want to be pilots, engineers, scientists and doctors, not vapid shitheads on the internet.
No, they are told they will be a pilot, engineer, scientist, or doctor, and they will like it. Or else they go to the gulag. You dont have to do a good job. You just have to do a job. Which is why Russia cant build jet engines, and China needs to keep stealing everyone elses tech.
Meanwhile, in the US, the people who become those professions are people who want to do it, and are therefore actually interested in becoming competent (usually). Every generation has wanted to be famous. Zoomers are no different.
Yes, of course they're fucking told, that's the entire point. Children in non-western countries are told to be the best they can be. Children in progressive western countries are told to cut their genitals off.
And yet, those non-western countries aint producing shit, while the US and the West are still home of technological innovation changing the world.
Its worth remembering: The degeneration present is entirely concentrated in a handful of Left-Wing mega-cities, who also happen to be where the media is (Hence why they blast it out on 11 to the entire world). Meanwhile, in my town, people are still having children, girls still like pink princesses, boys still like dirt and cowboys, and my alma mater is still turning out engineers who go on to actually build shit.
Meanwhile, in China, it doesnt matter if they decide to use bamboo instead of steel to reinforce the concrete. Because the engineer was chosen for loyalty after all, and he says its good enough.
Listen, I don't think we really disagree, I mean, absolutely FUCK China. Have you ever read "Poorly Made In China" by Paul Midler? It's a fascinating read, the guy could really use an editor and the whole book should have been an article, but if you can get over it, it's a fascinating read.
Anyway, I'm really not defending China, or Russia, or India, or Best Korea, or any other shithole country like that at all. I'm just really mad about the state of western civilization. The "young kids want to be tiktokers" really rubs me the wrong way because I have seen this shit in person. The country I'm from used to be known as a technology powerhouse, we used to make our own shoes, cars, aircraft, firearms, entire fucking nuclear power plants. Nowadays, we're making, what, Scrum masters? It breaks my heart. I'm doing my best to keep the tradition, but it feels futile.
Perhaps the difference is where we are from. I live in Kansas in the US, and as famous as we are for our agricultural production, we actually make aircraft as our #1 export, because Wichita is still the Air Capital of the World even after Boeing left (...then its every type of Ag product you can think of...). And while there are plenty of kids who want to become tiktokers, they see that as a hobby, not a job. Most of them still are working toward doing something actually useful. Hell, I know some of them who want to use things like TikTok to show of what farming is actually like, because they think a lot of people dont know anything about it.
Yes, the West is in a bad place, Europe especially. But I think we are turning a corner. History shows that people in decline generally dont accept it, and will seek a way out of it, one way or another. What others see as the Woke and the Left doing whatever they want because they will never lose again, I see as their last desperate gasp at power as they loot everything that isnt nailed down before they go running to their artisanal doomsday bunkers in New Zealand.
I found a similiar poll conducted by Gallup in 2005. Teacher was their top choice at 11%. However, there are some unrealistic glamorous jobs on the list too like working in a sports field or being a fashion designer.
I wouldn't doubt nearly all young boys born after 1985 wanted to be a video game designer at some point. I know it was such an issue at my public school that they would use it to promote specific classes, and the local community college had a literal waitlist on its animation department.
Don't forget that "influencer" encompasses such a broad range of topics that it also has the "get paid to do what you love."
Boys love it because they get paid to play video games, girls love it because they get paid to take selfies. Its really not hard to see why that sounds great.
Well yes, you get paid to be a NEET. Who wouldn't want such a job?
How long before colleges offer social media influencer degrees?
Maybe not colleges, but I would bet there are 'digital marketing' or 'entrepreneurship' courses centered on this already. Social media "business" has been around long enough to get a decent idea of what works and teach it.
And the kids who failed to become social media influencers can teach it.
When everyone's is an influencer, no one is an influencer.
I welcome this.
I guess it's a survey of teenagers, but I don't think they say. I wouldn't be as concerned with little kids outside of the fact they are aware of the existence of social media influencers at such a young age. If it's older ones, then I guess beyond social media addiction, did no one guide them towards something realistic. The whole nonsense of you can do whatever you want is BS, but something I've tried to point out to young people before is they can find something they like well enough for income and sustenance, and still "do whatever they want" on the side while still being a stable functioning adult.
One other tip for them, if they are all going to be influencers, then there is no one left to be influenced. Therefore no one is going to need influencers. I'm not sure how many of them are smart enough to get that anymore.
I can see some of this in some slightly older people too. I've got a friend that I guess would fall into the super-young millenial category. Mid-20s. Spent way too much time trying to be a "MLG pro" and ended up never working towards something else. I tried to tell him, but they don't listen. He's a good guy and not even that lazy at work, but essentially stuck in dead end jobs at this point I'm sure until he gets to be a 30-something and realizes WTF he's done.
The digital revolution and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
I'm 27 and I'm planning on starting it too, hopefully this year, though I do feel a bit of anxiety about being a bit old for it.
I mean. I don't necessarily blame them considering how glamourous it's made out to be. It's the modern equivalent of wanting to be a movie star or singer, where you have this weird wealth and status about you for what is very little work. That doesn't make it good, but I can understand the naive, childish appeal to such a situation.
I'd also wonder what "social media influencer" covers. Is it just the weirdly cult-like social media circles like Instagram "famous", or is it stuff like streamers, YouTubers, political commentators, etc, etc, etc. Because the category could be broad, and the article does say things like Youtube. I don't think it's unreasonable to understand what the draw of this is. It's about the glamourous lifestyle at the end of the day, the same thing that in years gone past would draw kids to wanting to be or at least be like various celebrities.
Just the newest iteration of "anything to be on television".
Some people just want to be "famous" for the sake of being famous. Doesn't hurt that there's money and other rewards attached to becoming famous. Doesn't even matter what you're famous for, you don't even have to be famous "for" anything beyond the fact that you got famous (the Kardashians come to mind ...)
The real question is, why does society keep rewarding this shit? Do they also give their kid a cookie every time it takes its diapers off and shits on the floor?
Does wanting to become a political commentator count?
I really don't understand this mentality. I get not knowing what you want at that age and even having outlandish ideas at some points. Still, the craziest thing I wanted as a kid was to be an astronaut, and that was only crazy because of how hard it is to get selected. I just never understood the appeal of professional athletics or acting. Maybe I just knew I wanted to use my brain and I lacked the narcissism needed to see the appeal.
Hahahaha! Bbbutt . . . the children are our future!
>asking people with literally no life experience what they want to do with the rest of their life
Jeeze, I wonder.