Honestly, they get that part pretty bang-on. They're all about elaborate humiliation rituals as apologies for arbitrary actions, which they find out they do on the regular. And unfortunately, many modern churches fall right into this sin-and-repent cycle (and many old ones, too, buying penitence and lenience, not just "blaming the youth" on this one, bad elements have been in the system a long time).
Being a Christian shouldn't be about repentance. It should be about rehabilitation. "Sin no more". There's no "go sin again, then get repentance again" in that order. You fuck up once, learn not to fuck up, and then don't fuck up again. And even that is sub-optimal, better yet to not fuck up in the first place.
Everyone sins, of course. The First Sin is being born at all, to some. But not everyone ELECTS to sin. There are sins you cannot control, and ones you can. If you can't control it, sure, rub some beads and do some bows and chant some songs, whatever makes you feel better, The Lord is all-forgiving so if you don't rub the beads just right He will probably give you a pass. But if you can control the action of the sin, and choose not to control yourself, to engage in sin willfully, that is a very different story.
They're all about elaborate humiliation rituals as apologies for arbitrary actions, which they find out they do on the regular.
The actions aren't arbitrary if they are specifically proscribed by scripture or church custom. Or at least they may be arbitrary in the mind of the sinner who might be outside or ignorant of the various Christian doctrines.
There have always been blasphemers and heretics as well as your run-of-the-mill sinners.
You are taking the Protestant point of view here, which is fine. Lots of blood and ink have been spilled to advance the righteousness of works over grace, of individual contrition over official Church-prescribed penance. After all, the Catholics don't have the only game in town.
You're not getting the metaphor then. These freaks have irrevocably defiled themselves. They have turned their entire existence into a sin, and defined themselves solely by it.
The Communist is attempting to make gullible Christians cater to their subversives by claiming that having standards, and expelling people for a) violating those standards, and b) encouraging others to violate those standards, is something Christ would never do because his single highest virtue was "inclusivity"
This is why I'm saying that when the Social Justice Racket dies, it will morph into Liberation Theology.
The Christian concept of forgiveness and charity does not include forgiveness and charity who continue to attack your children and openly refuse to repent.
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
Or send back one of the many Bible passages that contradict the comic's message. Then (it/she) will cry that (it/her) family members are pushing religion down (it/her) throat.
I know! They love to point out that Jesus dined with prostitutes and other sinners while conveniently ignoring that he was there to encourage them out of their sinful lifestyle
7 “Woe to the world for temptations to sin[b] For it is necessary that temptations come, but woe to the one by whom the temptation comes! 8 And if your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life crippled or lame than with two hands or two feet to be thrown into the eternal fire. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into the hell[c] of fire.
Jesus created reproductive sex, advocates co-creation with him, and repopulated the earth TWICE, via his design. This is not "belief in Jesus Christ". We worship different gods. --MyResponse
That's funny, because actual Jesus' advice to the current-day analogue of the transgenders was 'Kill yourself before you corrupt a child, and the Almighty will take it easier on you in the afterlife.'
The transgender issue is really coming up a lot in the various synods, conventions, and what have you. I'm not sure they quite know how to tackle the problem.
I was at a day long apologetics conference held by the Southern Baptists in my state and one of the workshops I attended dealt with transgenderism.
This was 3 or 4 years ago so I don't remember much but I do distinctly remember how one of the "in's" was latching onto a transgender person's conception of their mind being separate from their body. (The in being that the Southern Baptists hold the soul as separate from the body).
Well intentioned but in retrospect this line of thinking strays way too close to the Gnostic rejection of our mortal bodies. They forget Jesus is fully God and fully Man. This is my understanding anyway. Can't say I had much theology in the Southern Baptist tradition so I'm learning things Christians have known for millennia as I go.
That aside, I'm not sure tackling transgenderism from a religious angle is the way to go. If anything it's coming from a mix of depression, alienation, predation by weirdos online, and being so stuck to a screen that they see themselves completely separate from their body. Can't have the sense they're one and the same when they aren't even using it. Get the person off the screen and change their lifestyle to a more healthy one and they will more than likely grow out of it.
Looking at this comic itself, it plays into popular idea that congregations are rejecting and casting out young people. What this usually means ime is some kid gets angry about having to get up early to go to church or is terminally online, gets preyed upon by others and so cuts themselves off from their old circles in favor of newer, cult-like ones.
The mind being separate from the body is actually very common across all kinds of religions and sects, the difference is in how the concept is handled. The one-and-done physical-body rejectionists see existence in and of itself as some kind of punishment, and I don't think that's where the trans-sexuals are actually coming from. Seems more to be where the emos come from. :P
They're more of the "I was born into the wrong body" camp, but without the concept of reincarnation to give them the idea that god or nature will get it right next time (never mind the idea that maybe being in the wrong body - especially a human one - is a deliberate punishment .....) SO they disfigure themselves. Though Tigerman supposedly was a reincarnationist, too, and he went the body-mod route, too, so. Some people just like the excuse to do shit to themselves (and some don't need excuses, like the ones that have all the tattoos and piercings just because it pleases them.)
Well intentioned but in retrospect this line of thinking strays way too close to the Gnostic rejection of our mortal bodies.
The body is a holy vessel for the soul. It is the temple of God, as the Bible says. So it is important, as a kind of gift that we should cherish, but we are also not our bodies at the same time.
That aside, I'm not sure tackling transgenderism from a religious angle is the way to go. If anything it's coming from a mix of depression, alienation, predation by weirdos online, and being so stuck to a screen that they see themselves completely separate from their body.
It's all alienation from God, which results in an addiction to material things as a way of trying to replace God. (material things being the polar opposite of the spiritual) Drugs, porn, overeating, obsession with physical appearance or owning lots of stuff, desiring wealth or power; all are examples of the things people worship in the place of God, but physical pleasures can only distract you for a time. They can't replace eternal peace.
Teaching acceptance of your own body will literally kill off the entire transgender movement. Body dysphoria is a moral imperative to them, because it is better that thousands of people kill themselves, rather than one ounce of political power be lost from a lack of activism.
Being a Christian is contingent on repentance. You cannot willfully and unrepentantly sin and still follow Christ.
Of course, the other side never understood Christianity so it’s no surprise they get this wrong.
What's the point indeed. That of course is their entire and only goal.
Cue: “Imagine” by John Lennon
Honestly, they get that part pretty bang-on. They're all about elaborate humiliation rituals as apologies for arbitrary actions, which they find out they do on the regular. And unfortunately, many modern churches fall right into this sin-and-repent cycle (and many old ones, too, buying penitence and lenience, not just "blaming the youth" on this one, bad elements have been in the system a long time).
Being a Christian shouldn't be about repentance. It should be about rehabilitation. "Sin no more". There's no "go sin again, then get repentance again" in that order. You fuck up once, learn not to fuck up, and then don't fuck up again. And even that is sub-optimal, better yet to not fuck up in the first place.
Everyone sins, of course. The First Sin is being born at all, to some. But not everyone ELECTS to sin. There are sins you cannot control, and ones you can. If you can't control it, sure, rub some beads and do some bows and chant some songs, whatever makes you feel better, The Lord is all-forgiving so if you don't rub the beads just right He will probably give you a pass. But if you can control the action of the sin, and choose not to control yourself, to engage in sin willfully, that is a very different story.
The actions aren't arbitrary if they are specifically proscribed by scripture or church custom. Or at least they may be arbitrary in the mind of the sinner who might be outside or ignorant of the various Christian doctrines.
There have always been blasphemers and heretics as well as your run-of-the-mill sinners.
You are taking the Protestant point of view here, which is fine. Lots of blood and ink have been spilled to advance the righteousness of works over grace, of individual contrition over official Church-prescribed penance. After all, the Catholics don't have the only game in town.
You can always switch to a denomination that approves of your degeneracy.
My degeneracy? Whassamadda U? You got Tourettes? Are you calling Protestants "degenerates"? Or are you using the generic "you" instead of "one"?
Not you, specifically. I meant it as a generic you, referring to the sodomites. I suppose that wasn't very clear.
I thought so. Just being a wise ass. Thanks for being a good sport.
My rebuttal:
"Go forth, and sin no more.".
~Jesus of Nazareth.
I can get behind Jesus bringing the fag sheep back if He's gonna show him the right path and make sure he's ok.
You're not getting the metaphor then. These freaks have irrevocably defiled themselves. They have turned their entire existence into a sin, and defined themselves solely by it.
Go forth and sin no more, not "eh, fuck it."
Forgiveness requires contrition.
Yeah I agree. The comic is shit because it condones sin.
It condones the worst sort of sin, the defilement of God's temple in the human body.
The Communist is attempting to make gullible Christians cater to their subversives by claiming that having standards, and expelling people for a) violating those standards, and b) encouraging others to violate those standards, is something Christ would never do because his single highest virtue was "inclusivity"
This is why I'm saying that when the Social Justice Racket dies, it will morph into Liberation Theology.
The Christian concept of forgiveness and charity does not include forgiveness and charity who continue to attack your children and openly refuse to repent.
The Early Church actively exiled degenerates who refused to repent.
So did the Catholic Church, until the Modernists took over. Where's Saint Nicholas when you need him?
I may be wrong but isn't there something about how your body is a temple to the lord and you shouldn't profane it
1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.
yeah, cutting it up seems to go against that
Theres also a passage saying that those who make themselves Eunuchs will not make it Heaven.
Yes.
And Jesus literally whipped some people just for changing money near a temple building.
"you should let in more refugees because jesus said to be compassionate in the bible somewhere.
no i'm not a christian and i have nothing but contempt for your backward religious beliefs
so yeah, this argument wouldn't work on me but maybe if i use it on you, you'll do what i want"
Odds are that sheep was trying to hang itself
Your Christian family members are going to mildly roll their eyes then get on with their day.
Or send back one of the many Bible passages that contradict the comic's message. Then (it/she) will cry that (it/her) family members are pushing religion down (it/her) throat.
It cracks me up how these people don’t believe but frequently cite Jesus
All while thinking Jesus "go and ho no mo'" Christ was tolerant of sin.
I know! They love to point out that Jesus dined with prostitutes and other sinners while conveniently ignoring that he was there to encourage them out of their sinful lifestyle
Even they recognize the power of Jesus, despite rejecting him.
I remember some Canadian police officer cackling "Render unto Caesar!" to the preacher they were arresting for holding church services.
Best reply;
Mathew 18 7-9 (All of 18 is applicable, too.)
Sadly the troon will just take that passage at face value and claim that it removed its penis because "it caused it to sin".
Jesus actually wanted to destroy Christianity and society in general, he also hated normal people and wanted them all replaced by niggers and faggots.
Source: it makes me feel good so it's true.
You had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
Don't forget the trans-lesbian part. Nothing says 'lesbian' like a penis.
That's funny, because actual Jesus' advice to the current-day analogue of the transgenders was 'Kill yourself before you corrupt a child, and the Almighty will take it easier on you in the afterlife.'
The transgender issue is really coming up a lot in the various synods, conventions, and what have you. I'm not sure they quite know how to tackle the problem.
I was at a day long apologetics conference held by the Southern Baptists in my state and one of the workshops I attended dealt with transgenderism.
This was 3 or 4 years ago so I don't remember much but I do distinctly remember how one of the "in's" was latching onto a transgender person's conception of their mind being separate from their body. (The in being that the Southern Baptists hold the soul as separate from the body).
Well intentioned but in retrospect this line of thinking strays way too close to the Gnostic rejection of our mortal bodies. They forget Jesus is fully God and fully Man. This is my understanding anyway. Can't say I had much theology in the Southern Baptist tradition so I'm learning things Christians have known for millennia as I go.
That aside, I'm not sure tackling transgenderism from a religious angle is the way to go. If anything it's coming from a mix of depression, alienation, predation by weirdos online, and being so stuck to a screen that they see themselves completely separate from their body. Can't have the sense they're one and the same when they aren't even using it. Get the person off the screen and change their lifestyle to a more healthy one and they will more than likely grow out of it.
Looking at this comic itself, it plays into popular idea that congregations are rejecting and casting out young people. What this usually means ime is some kid gets angry about having to get up early to go to church or is terminally online, gets preyed upon by others and so cuts themselves off from their old circles in favor of newer, cult-like ones.
The mind being separate from the body is actually very common across all kinds of religions and sects, the difference is in how the concept is handled. The one-and-done physical-body rejectionists see existence in and of itself as some kind of punishment, and I don't think that's where the trans-sexuals are actually coming from. Seems more to be where the emos come from. :P
They're more of the "I was born into the wrong body" camp, but without the concept of reincarnation to give them the idea that god or nature will get it right next time (never mind the idea that maybe being in the wrong body - especially a human one - is a deliberate punishment .....) SO they disfigure themselves. Though Tigerman supposedly was a reincarnationist, too, and he went the body-mod route, too, so. Some people just like the excuse to do shit to themselves (and some don't need excuses, like the ones that have all the tattoos and piercings just because it pleases them.)
The bible is quite clear in both the old and new testament: Catamites should be stoned.
The body is a holy vessel for the soul. It is the temple of God, as the Bible says. So it is important, as a kind of gift that we should cherish, but we are also not our bodies at the same time.
It's all alienation from God, which results in an addiction to material things as a way of trying to replace God. (material things being the polar opposite of the spiritual) Drugs, porn, overeating, obsession with physical appearance or owning lots of stuff, desiring wealth or power; all are examples of the things people worship in the place of God, but physical pleasures can only distract you for a time. They can't replace eternal peace.
Trans, lesbian, communist. And what's the red book icon?
Ah, so not just any communist.
Needs a rope attached to a millstone
Jesus had some choice words to say about groomers.
He also wasnt too fond of people defiling His Temple.
It's the duty of the shepherd to keep the wolves away from the flock.
Teaching acceptance of your own body will literally kill off the entire transgender movement. Body dysphoria is a moral imperative to them, because it is better that thousands of people kill themselves, rather than one ounce of political power be lost from a lack of activism.
It should have been. Excommunication is the proper response to unrepentantly sinful behavior.
Blindness is a symptom of sin.