This whole fucking tragedy would have been avoided if Ukrainian leadership had the common sense to stay neutral and if they didn't play along with NATO's attempt to use Ukraine as a bargaining chip against Russia.
Zelensky is a corrupt little bastard who is constantly using emotional appeals to try to rope the U.S into another world war.
A no fly zone means American planes downing Russian planes.
It is a declaration of war between nuclear powers.
Russian speakers (meaning preferring Russian, because everyone speaks Russian) are majority in Ukraine. It was Lenin-defender minority (and the "vacationers" from Russia).
Of course it's the most right wing thing to sympathise with people who took up arms to defend Lenin statues while flying Soviet flags.
I remembered wrong, majority among most urban populations. Including Kiev.
Except in Lviv and such in the former Austro-Hungarian areas (Galicia).
The peasants have opposed the Russification similar to how they resisted the Collectivisation (when millions have been killed as kulaks for the latter to prevail). It was also the peasantry that was the UON/UPA recruit pool during and after WWII.
A no fly zone means American planes downing Russian planes.
I'm not sure the US can. The US has generally achieved aerial dominance with fighters, not SAM systems. Russia has focused on SAM systems in opposition to this.
What will the US do about S-300 and S-400 systems, and god knows what else on the Russian side of the border?
What's your point? If we're shooting down their planes we've already committed to war against them. Doesn't really matter where the SAMs are at that point.
Or if Ukraine didn’t buy that nato and russia would actually protect them if they gave up their own nukes. It’s unlikely russia would have invaded if they thought a retaliation on their own soil would have been possible
"Their" nukes didn't have keys or launch codes, because the Soviets made sure to take those with them. Those were bargaining chips and nothing more, the Ukraine never could have used them.
Yeah, no way of removing weapons grade nuclear material and putting it into their own weapons. If they were useless no reason to make a deal with them to give them up.
Ukrainian leadership had the common sense to stay neutral
Define "neutral". If you think Russian imperial ambition can be negated by staying neutral, you are making the same mistake Zelenskiy did.
I agree that no fly zone is stupid though.
P. S. If you are scared of nuclear war, you are better off preparing some ways to annex or negate threat from Russian territories with nukes when Russia inevitably falls apart.
Also, how do you Yank accelbros feel about the Azov way when not hysterizing about your "drafts" and shit?
The Azov movement was founded in 2014 by Andriy Biletsky, former leader of the Ukrainian neo-Nazi group Patriot of Ukraine, during the battle for control of Kyiv’s central Independence Square during the Maidan Revolution against the country’s Russia-leaning, elected president Viktor Yanukovych. Back in 2010, Biletsky claimed that it would one day be Ukraine’s role to “lead the white races of the world in a final crusade… against Semite-led untermenschen“. The revolution, and the war which followed, would give him the national stage for which he had so long craved. (...)
In this, the current war has surely come as a blessed relief for Azov. Biletsky’s attempt to found a political party — the National Corps — met with almost zero success, with even a united bloc of Ukraine’s far- and extreme Right-wing parties failing to clear the very low hurdle for parliamentary representation in the last election: Ukrainian voters simply do not want what they are selling, and reject their worldview. Yet in time of war, Azov and similar groups come to the forefront, with the Russian invasion seemingly reversing the downward spiral that set in for them following Avakov’s resignation due to international pressure. Judging by their social media, Azov’s armed units are expanding: they’re forming new battalions in Kharkiv and Dnipro, a new special forces unit in Kyiv (where Biletsky is organising at least some aspects of the capital’s defence) and local defence militias in western cities such as Ivano-Frankivsk. Along with other extreme Right-wing groups such as Karpatska Sich (whose militancy against Western Ukraine’s Hungarian-speaking minority, including Roma, has drawn criticism from the Hungarian government), the Eastern Orthodox group Tradition and Order, the neo-Nazi group C14, and the extreme Right-wing militia Freikorps, the Russian invasion has allowed Azov to restore its earlier prominence, burnishing its heroic reputation with its dogged defence of Mariupol alongside regular Ukrainian marines. (...)
Senior Azov figures have been explicit, over the course of years, in stating that Ukraine has unique potential as a springboard for the “reconquest” of Europe from liberals, homosexuals and immigrants. While their broader contintental ambitions may have a very doubtful chance of success, a broken, impoverished and angry postwar Ukraine, or worse, a Ukraine suffering years of bombardment and occupation with large areas outside central government control, would surely be a fertile breeding ground for a form of extreme Right-wing militancy not seen in Europe for many decades.
Just like ISIS, Azov doesn't attack jewish targets because they're controlled by the CIA. There's no explanation for their bad optics being hand-waved away when we just lived through six years of everything that vaguely resembled a windmill being mistaken for a swastika. Suddenly all these jews who were very concerned about nazism are silent. Zelensky doesn't feel afraid at all of these people, why isn't he disavowing the neonazis in his military?
They're not in military, they're in police. But even Azov Regiment is actually lite, compared to the Azov movement (who work as only auxiliary police sometimes).
ISIS existed for less than 1 year, it's IS for almost 8 years now. They tried to set up in Lebanon and Palestine, they just got whacked by the rival Islamists and others.
"These Jews" (in America) were crying about Azov all the time. You had even people in the Congress who wanted to designate them International Terrorists.
But there won't be any "nuclear level world war". As always. Not even after Stalin estabilished his No-fly Zone over northernmost Korea, resulting only in a lot of early jet-on-jet dogfighting (and when MacArthur wanted to just nuke the northern side of the Chinese border clear with his novel No-life Zone concept, but was told he was being silly). Operation Unthinkable was named so because it couldn't happen, and thus didn't happen.
Any war between near-peer level countries with nuclear weapons has the potential to become a nuclear war you weirdo. I know you're just tryinb to gaslight people into supporting more American intervention so we can "completely demilitarize" Russia which is "the only true way to end this war", which is a pants on head retarded statement, but you cannot be this ignorant.
I wish the Moscow problem could be settled through talks and the implementation of agreements, but regrettably, this is no longer relevant. Everything can be reversed in a second if Russian and Chinese arms industries continue to pump the current Moscow authorities with state-of-art weapons. That is why the key point is a certain degree of demilitarization of today's Russia, because it is the only objectively controlled factor, which can be monitored and reacted to. Putin would resettle to Havana, Damascus or Beijing, while we would have a heavily armed 'anti-West' next door. This is absolutely unacceptable, in particular, now, that Russia's current leadership has declared its nuclear ambitions.
You think Russia can just nuclear blackmail other nuclear powers and it can be one sided. This is very silly. It's not how it works, it's not how it ever worked.
Because the Russians still aren't sure the Americans (British, French) wouldn't strike back at them. Putin's motto might be, as he says, "the weak get beaten", but after showing a whole lot of weakness over all these years NATO and friends also finally do start to show some strength.
Look at what Trump did when they tested him with their mercenary army by advancing on an American base. What did he do? He smoked them. How did they react? They backed away. The strong don't get beaten.
I only excepted them to hold out for 3 days maybe. It's been 3 weeks already.
The Azov guys just published a video of destroying a Russian tank, guest featuring another tank's crew member falling from the sky and splatting nearby like in a cartoon.
Possibly the best ground combat drone video of all time not from Syriaq (from where came a lot of even crazier stuff, like with tanks chasing individual people and running them over for example).
I just talked to someone here who advocated that America should go to war in all latin American countries to get rid of all the labs funded by China. From Mexico To Chile
Reminder: Grinnin_barret is full of shit and is literally gaslighting and lying about it all. He can not accept his narrative is worth literally nothing, and is very triggered when anyone questions it.
No, its both. They dont want maga to win in the midterms.
their uniparty might be fucked for once in its history.
and they made sure corona destroyed drumpf. this is no different. + bidens popularity is tanking, shitlibs are quoting his "ukraine approval scores" LOL
their uniparty might be fucked for once in its history.
How so? If unipolarity continues receding that will hurt them, but they aren't going to lose control of the US government for a while, definitely not in the upcoming midterms.
The globalists are scared about the rising populist and nationalist movements, and the well earned anti-globalist sentiments that are growing exponentially, all over the world. Even the "friends" to the globalists, like Saudi Arabia and China, are sick of it, which is why they're backing away from the U.S. currency dominance for trade and the petro dollar. Everyone with a modicum of wisdom is seeing the writing on the wall.
The globalists are accelerating as fast a possible to achieve their end goals before it's too late, which is showing their true colors, and waking even more people up, especially under the duress and mass misery that globalism creates. Essentially, the globalists are capable of anything right now. They always have been, but they're open about it now. The last 2 years should be ample evidence of that. The internet also gives people the tools and power to see behind the curtain, to avoid their propaganda outlets entirely.
Resource depletion means that the economy has to be scaled back.
It's not just 'useless eaters,' getting culled either. Lowering the level of economic activity to preserve depleted non-renewable resources in the name of 'sustainability' means fewer people across the board, Georgia Guidestone-style.
A nuclear exchange to achieve that end wouldn't be off the table.
I don' t think the anointed are actively planning WW3, but they've long ago proven that no crisis will be allowed to go to waste. I'm sure they've got contingencies for finding the silver lining of any irradiated mushroom cloud.
This whole fucking tragedy would have been avoided if Ukrainian leadership had the common sense to stay neutral and if they didn't play along with NATO's attempt to use Ukraine as a bargaining chip against Russia.
Zelensky is a corrupt little bastard who is constantly using emotional appeals to try to rope the U.S into another world war.
A no fly zone means American planes downing Russian planes.
It is a declaration of war between nuclear powers.
It must be avoided.
This whole tragedy would have been avoided if Victoria Nuland and friends hadn't overthrown the pro-nuetrality Yanukovych regime.
This. Not joining NATO isn't enough when the Ukrainian revolutionary government has been fighting a war against its Russian minority for eight years.
Russian speakers (meaning preferring Russian, because everyone speaks Russian) are majority in Ukraine. It was Lenin-defender minority (and the "vacationers" from Russia).
Of course it's the most right wing thing to sympathise with people who took up arms to defend Lenin statues while flying Soviet flags.
According to the 2001 census there were about twice as many Ukrainian-speaking Ukrainians as Russian-speaking Ukrainians, and 4.5 times as many ethnic Ukrainians as ethnic Russians.
I remembered wrong, majority among most urban populations. Including Kiev.
Except in Lviv and such in the former Austro-Hungarian areas (Galicia).
The peasants have opposed the Russification similar to how they resisted the Collectivisation (when millions have been killed as kulaks for the latter to prevail). It was also the peasantry that was the UON/UPA recruit pool during and after WWII.
I'm not sure the US can. The US has generally achieved aerial dominance with fighters, not SAM systems. Russia has focused on SAM systems in opposition to this.
What will the US do about S-300 and S-400 systems, and god knows what else on the Russian side of the border?
If we actually committed to this war? Destroy them with long range missle attacks like we did in Vietnam
"On the russian side of the border"
What's your point? If we're shooting down their planes we've already committed to war against them. Doesn't really matter where the SAMs are at that point.
By the same token, America is extremely well prepared for the mission of SAM suppression.
"On the russian side of the border"
Or if Ukraine didn’t buy that nato and russia would actually protect them if they gave up their own nukes. It’s unlikely russia would have invaded if they thought a retaliation on their own soil would have been possible
"Their" nukes didn't have keys or launch codes, because the Soviets made sure to take those with them. Those were bargaining chips and nothing more, the Ukraine never could have used them.
Yeah, no way of removing weapons grade nuclear material and putting it into their own weapons. If they were useless no reason to make a deal with them to give them up.
If they were usable there wouldn't have been a deal necessary in either direction.
Except nuclear powers frequently discourage countries from becoming nuclear powers and signing deals to reduce their own stockpiles.
Define "neutral". If you think Russian imperial ambition can be negated by staying neutral, you are making the same mistake Zelenskiy did.
I agree that no fly zone is stupid though.
P. S. If you are scared of nuclear war, you are better off preparing some ways to annex or negate threat from Russian territories with nukes when Russia inevitably falls apart.
Yeah just dragging 2 nations into war, and the epicenter of the whole conflict
Starting a war by invading a neighbor is evil. Inciting a world War among nuclear powers is monstrously evil.
Kind of my point, but ultimately the latter scenario would not be at such a high risk if the former never happened
I thought many of you guys were accelarationists. What happened to this all of sudden?
Because as we know, acceleration through social/political collapse is the exact same thing as nuclear level world war.
Certainly no difference in those two things that could allow for this difference of opinion in people, no sir.
Also, how do you Yank accelbros feel about the Azov way when not hysterizing about your "drafts" and shit?
https://unherd.com/2022/03/the-truth-about-ukraines-nazi-militias/
(Patriot of Ukraine was a more acceptable-sounding name of the Social-National Assembly.)
They’re useful idiots. Ukraine is in no position to ever play a meaningful part in world affairs. It’s just a pawn.
And yet it does now, according to you here even plunging the world into nuclear war no less (you're wrong on this one).
No, they’re just a pawn used by the United States to weaken Russia’s geopolitical position.
Weaken? This war can only truly end with the complete demilitarization and decommunization of Russia. The 1990s were a mistake.
Just like ISIS, Azov doesn't attack jewish targets because they're controlled by the CIA. There's no explanation for their bad optics being hand-waved away when we just lived through six years of everything that vaguely resembled a windmill being mistaken for a swastika. Suddenly all these jews who were very concerned about nazism are silent. Zelensky doesn't feel afraid at all of these people, why isn't he disavowing the neonazis in his military?
They're not in military, they're in police. But even Azov Regiment is actually lite, compared to the Azov movement (who work as only auxiliary police sometimes).
ISIS existed for less than 1 year, it's IS for almost 8 years now. They tried to set up in Lebanon and Palestine, they just got whacked by the rival Islamists and others.
"These Jews" (in America) were crying about Azov all the time. You had even people in the Congress who wanted to designate them International Terrorists.
But there won't be any "nuclear level world war". As always. Not even after Stalin estabilished his No-fly Zone over northernmost Korea, resulting only in a lot of early jet-on-jet dogfighting (and when MacArthur wanted to just nuke the northern side of the Chinese border clear with his novel No-life Zone concept, but was told he was being silly). Operation Unthinkable was named so because it couldn't happen, and thus didn't happen.
Any war between near-peer level countries with nuclear weapons has the potential to become a nuclear war you weirdo. I know you're just tryinb to gaslight people into supporting more American intervention so we can "completely demilitarize" Russia which is "the only true way to end this war", which is a pants on head retarded statement, but you cannot be this ignorant.
I wish the Moscow problem could be settled through talks and the implementation of agreements, but regrettably, this is no longer relevant. Everything can be reversed in a second if Russian and Chinese arms industries continue to pump the current Moscow authorities with state-of-art weapons. That is why the key point is a certain degree of demilitarization of today's Russia, because it is the only objectively controlled factor, which can be monitored and reacted to. Putin would resettle to Havana, Damascus or Beijing, while we would have a heavily armed 'anti-West' next door. This is absolutely unacceptable, in particular, now, that Russia's current leadership has declared its nuclear ambitions.
That is an incoherent, rambling mess. America should just occupy all of Russia huh?
I thought you said we would not get into a nuclear war? Where's the consistency?
How dare you say so about the wisdom of Vladimir Vladimirovich?
https://tass.com/russia/1408629
You think Russia can just nuclear blackmail other nuclear powers and it can be one sided. This is very silly. It's not how it works, it's not how it ever worked.
And it's not called "nuclear war", no.
How can you just blindly assume that there will never be any nuclear war risk if NATO joins Ukraine against Russia?
Because the Russians still aren't sure the Americans (British, French) wouldn't strike back at them. Putin's motto might be, as he says, "the weak get beaten", but after showing a whole lot of weakness over all these years NATO and friends also finally do start to show some strength.
Look at what Trump did when they tested him with their mercenary army by advancing on an American base. What did he do? He smoked them. How did they react? They backed away. The strong don't get beaten.
I am an accelerationist. Russia's defeat of the Ukraine will accelerate the defeat of globalism across the planet. Including here.
Azov just killed the general who commanded the same division that once captured the Reichstag and made fun with his body.
You might be disappointed with the results.
When the Ukrainians surrender before the end of April, please don't commit self harm out of sorrow.
I only excepted them to hold out for 3 days maybe. It's been 3 weeks already.
The Azov guys just published a video of destroying a Russian tank, guest featuring another tank's crew member falling from the sky and splatting nearby like in a cartoon.
I'm sure the pardoxical Jewish neo-Nazi group founded by the CIA are a trustworthy source.
Enjoy, fren!
Splat at 1.20, above Mr Crawler
Possibly the best ground combat drone video of all time not from Syriaq (from where came a lot of even crazier stuff, like with tanks chasing individual people and running them over for example).
I just talked to someone here who advocated that America should go to war in all latin American countries to get rid of all the labs funded by China. From Mexico To Chile
Reminder: Grinnin_barret is full of shit and is literally gaslighting and lying about it all. He can not accept his narrative is worth literally nothing, and is very triggered when anyone questions it.
Evidence proving he is utterly lying and nobody should take him seriously: https://archive.ph/wip/MBfyS
https://archive.ph/wip/MBfyS
What is this? Can you tell me what this links is?
Why do you need to lie so much?
What do you gain by lying?
Democrats are about to get slaughtered in the midterms unless they can concoct an excuse to suspend elections.
World War 3 should do the trick.
Elections aren't that important to them or their handlers. If they are doing this, it's because that's what their handlers want.
Yeah their handlers don't care which one of their puppets are in office. All the bureaucracy is entrenched.
No, its both. They dont want maga to win in the midterms.
their uniparty might be fucked for once in its history.
and they made sure corona destroyed drumpf. this is no different. + bidens popularity is tanking, shitlibs are quoting his "ukraine approval scores" LOL
How did Trump even win 2016 then?
I think they can only "fortify" when it is within a certain close margin like 2020 was in certain swing states.
You think 2020 was close. That’s cute.
How so? If unipolarity continues receding that will hurt them, but they aren't going to lose control of the US government for a while, definitely not in the upcoming midterms.
We have had elections during WWI and WWII and even during the "big scary coronavirus pandemic".
How the fuck are they going to be able to suspend elections this time?
I can imagine them trying to fortify it but I cannot see how they just suspend elections period.
It wont be to suspend elections, but to lift up shitodems popularity
The globalists are scared about the rising populist and nationalist movements, and the well earned anti-globalist sentiments that are growing exponentially, all over the world. Even the "friends" to the globalists, like Saudi Arabia and China, are sick of it, which is why they're backing away from the U.S. currency dominance for trade and the petro dollar. Everyone with a modicum of wisdom is seeing the writing on the wall.
The globalists are accelerating as fast a possible to achieve their end goals before it's too late, which is showing their true colors, and waking even more people up, especially under the duress and mass misery that globalism creates. Essentially, the globalists are capable of anything right now. They always have been, but they're open about it now. The last 2 years should be ample evidence of that. The internet also gives people the tools and power to see behind the curtain, to avoid their propaganda outlets entirely.
World War Z
Tomorrow, Zelensky will sign his own death warrant and I will gladly root for Russia.
Resource depletion means that the economy has to be scaled back.
It's not just 'useless eaters,' getting culled either. Lowering the level of economic activity to preserve depleted non-renewable resources in the name of 'sustainability' means fewer people across the board, Georgia Guidestone-style.
A nuclear exchange to achieve that end wouldn't be off the table.
I don' t think the anointed are actively planning WW3, but they've long ago proven that no crisis will be allowed to go to waste. I'm sure they've got contingencies for finding the silver lining of any irradiated mushroom cloud.
Billionaires building nuclear bunkers in mountains for their families and slaves was the first sign
Zelensky is just as much an authoritarian niggar as trudoo is, fuck them both.
ukraine is NOT worth global nuclear annihilation. end of story.
Based
Puppet regimes have consequences.
I recommend quitting the army soon before they start drafting.