Denis Kireev, a member of the negotiation team on the Ukrainian side, was killed. According to preliminary information, he was liquidated by the Security Service of #Ukraine during his detention on suspicion of treason.
Nothing says "western liberal democracy" quite like the extrajudicial killing of a peace negotiator accused of treason. Nothing says "free press" quite like a western media that refuses to acknowledge or cover it.
That actually appeared in news around here - not technically "the west" but a NATO member country. Front page news on several of the biggest news sites a few days ago. NPCs in the comments were absolutely creaming themselves over how those fearless Ukrainians solved their Russian Nazi Traitor problem.
Are you being deliberately obtuse or is this an actual honest question? White Supremacists would never celebrate a militia funded by the people they hate the most. It is a direct counter to his bullshit claim.
Their idol group notably had paid Afrikaans (black) army battalions, and Mr. Soros (a fellow who you may know well) was infamous in many parts for his cooperation and collaboration with the nazis despite his ethnic origins.
NuSupremacists are just NPCs like the rest, they don't know history at all, I guess, if they're going against their origin idol's actions.
Trying to apply a neat Nazi-jew dichotomy to the situation in Ukraine is just dumb. I can't speak for "stormfags," but it's possible to appreciate the Nationalistic aspect of the Azov battalion while still being suspicious of the government they're fighting for.
So wait, we're talking about Daily Stormer idiots, you link to the generic Consomeproduct racist sub instead.
Conpro are even bigger LARPers than Stormfags. Bunch of middle aged kids playing at being racists, probably would cream their pants IRL and melt into apology at anyone with barely any skin melanin.
But--but--but literal Hitler followed the Geneva convention (mostly), that would make us Nazis!
In all seriousness, the amount of bending over backwards I've seen to justify war crimes is sickening. Really, I think a ton of people just have no ability to put context to important warnings from history. Our ancestors thought it so valuable to document and codify certain rights because they had lived through the downside. Whether it be POW rights in the Geneva Convention or the right to free speech in the US Constitution. Yet all these modern idiots think it's totally cool to toss all of that aside because it's too old for them and disagrees with their agenda.
My home town doesn't believe in "industrial parks". In fact, I was kind of confused by the concept in other cities when I left. Factories were surrounded by residential and light commercial areas; most of the men in my neighbourhood when I was young worked at the wheel factory (Kelsey-Hayes) just down the street.
That goes for the main branch of Chrysler Canada's main assembly plant. My grandfather worked there for 40 years, as parts manager, mostly. When Canada entered WWII, that plant was retooled in 24 hours for war manufacturing (ie, tanks and such.) This is why Detroit-Windsor had a number of Soviet warheads aimed at it during the Cold War. These cities were considered a valid military target. And probably still are. Civilians are instrumental in war efforts, and just because they don't fight directly, doesn't mean they aren't important.
There's a difference between civilian manufacturing of military equipment and Civilians DIRECTLY engaging in combat with arms.
Usually, on the 3rd day of a war, you're not already arming citizens, you're evacuating them. Ukraine however, both has according to their propaganda shills, "THE BEST STANDING ARMY NO ONE CAN DEFEAT", and "A NEED TO ARM CITIZENS TO RESIST THE INVADER".
Well, when you arm citizens, you've just drafted them, and they won't be civilian casualties when a tank shells them straight in the face.
Making laws to prevent Russian-Ukrainians from even speaking Russian.
[citation needed], last I checked these days even Western Ukrainians could speak Russian when need be. Obviously after this even those who could probably will not bother, in this regard Russia has been far more effective than any Ukrainian government could dream of.
Shelling one of their province for 8 years because "Russian-Ukrainians bad"
[citation needed on "Russian-Ukrainians bad"] given that DNR/LNR forces are supported and commanded by Russia.
Arming civilians with Government issued weapons
Wait, where is the baddie part here?
Refusing humanitarian corridors
Are you going to treat the joke of humanitarian corridor into the invading country seriously? Those proposed 'corridors' basically exist solely so that Russian TV can state this exact point.
Pretending it's all going super well so people keep throwing their bodies at Russian tanks
Well, as far as "we are not even close to being occupied" it is going super well. I agree that as far human casualties go, this is probably the worst this could realistically go for either side.
Gaslighting Russia at every chance by still attempting to get into NATO and the EU instead of just staying neutral.
[citation needed], last I checked these days even Western Ukrainians could speak Russian when need be. Obviously after this even those who could probably will not bother, in this regard Russia has been far more effective than any Ukrainian government could dream of.
OMG, you little Ukrainian tit sucker. GTFO of here. Go read a WSJ and NYtimes article. They don't even need the FSB to look bad, even their cheerleaders that pretend to be journalists in the media don't hide any of these facts.
I think you have jumped to conclusions about that guys' intentions. As far as I can tell he's a Russian who is generally well educated on the situation, but might hate Putin enough to be a little biased.
No, because I was well aware of moves to move written language to Ukrainian that were the excuse for initial incursion all the way back in 2014, I was waiting for you to just confirm my expectation that you switched "print" for "speak" in CNN-tier move.
OMG, you little Ukrainian tit sucker.
Nah, I am just cheering for death of Moscovia, and this has been the best shot at it Russia's history has ever bore witness to.
You're insane if you think Russia is in a losing position at this time.
Don't confuse my sincere belief that Russia can't win this brawl (because there is no win condition at hand and frankly recent Ukraine propaganda suggests Russia has moved into "we'll do a little destruction" mode above all else, the only thing this achieves is bringing this particular clip back to life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKEmC4w9BpU) and thinking Ukraine can win this war (it probably can't, and in fact will be completely taken over by globohomo in the outcome).
As Giz rightly said, the only winner in this is China.
Of course, that does not stop me from having a pipe dream that this will trigger the collapse of Moscovia at long last.
The stupidest one is someone would believing "this extraordinary confession" confirms anything.
And anyone saying "the world needs to unite" is a leftist/collectivist who wants to control you. Like "the right side of history" it's one of those memes I'm absolutely sick of. I don't even want to hear it in context of a national disaster. No I don't want to unite. Free people aren't required to unite. FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME.
Pretty sure it got downgraded to the Geneva Suggestion around the time Agent Orange was being deployed.
Also, we're using pictures of crying Russian soldiers as a "violation of the Geneva Convention"? After seeing fucking TikTok videos from said Russian soldiers being airdropped in the country? God, how long until we get a video of some zoomer flossing over the dead body of a solider?
The whole concept of a "war crime" is kind of inane. You can only enforce punishments on the defeated. People who win and set up a government or whatever are going to say big "fuck you" to the UN or whatever wanting to snatch up their people and put them on trial.
Ukraine doesn't need to globohomo's as you put it to look bad. Just look at even just their own propaganda and puppet president's actions.
Who the fuck is the invader at first place?
I don't know, I don't quite remember who threw the first punch in the whole Kievan vs Russian conflict that dates back centuries. And I frankly couldn't give less of a fuck. Let them fight it out however they want, don't drag us into your shit.
I see, now you believe everything you read on a globohomo website, provided it makes the Ukrainians look... bad or something? LOL.
Who the fuck is the invader at first place? Your employer the Kremlin.
Everyone I disagree with is a Russian bot is a pathetic, and overplayed concern troll tactic. What's your next trick? Are you going to call anyone who disagrees with you literally Hitler too?
That is what I was thinking. I was also wondering when the last time the US took a prisoner they actually considered a POW was. Iraq? That's the last country I can think of that had a uniformed army taking on the US. Albeit for, like, a day.
US took about 8 weeks to take Baghdad and that was with carpet bombing the entire place indiscriminately unlike Russia's careful roll in right now. Abu Gharib is the real horror story but what scares me more it it's only talked about because it got out. Imagine what hasn't come out...
https://twitter.com/CandiceMalcolm/status/1500825556803272712
That actually appeared in news around here - not technically "the west" but a NATO member country. Front page news on several of the biggest news sites a few days ago. NPCs in the comments were absolutely creaming themselves over how those fearless Ukrainians solved their Russian Nazi Traitor problem.
Uh oh now you're gonna be labelled a "communist" and a "stormfag" and a "FSB shill"...
Yeah, by a faggot, so who cares?
Stormfags love Ukraine, they fap to Azov Battalion LARP pictures.
I guess you don't actually hang around ConPro much. Go see what they say about AZOV.
Here let me help you:
https://consumeproduct.win/search?params=AZOV&community=ConsumeProduct
What post from the linked search results were you thinking of when you said this?
Based on your link I’m unclear what ConPro says about Azov, other than pointing out the Jewish billionaire who is finding the azov battalion
Are you being deliberately obtuse or is this an actual honest question? White Supremacists would never celebrate a militia funded by the people they hate the most. It is a direct counter to his bullshit claim.
The dude you're talking to is an actual flat-earther.
Figures, glow niggers gonna glow
Yet they celebrate a whole regime who was allied with Muslims and had many Jewish collaborators.
My god you stormfags are easy to trigger. The whole bullshit you worship is completely made up.
Why wouldn't they?
Their idol group notably had paid Afrikaans (black) army battalions, and Mr. Soros (a fellow who you may know well) was infamous in many parts for his cooperation and collaboration with the nazis despite his ethnic origins.
NuSupremacists are just NPCs like the rest, they don't know history at all, I guess, if they're going against their origin idol's actions.
Trying to apply a neat Nazi-jew dichotomy to the situation in Ukraine is just dumb. I can't speak for "stormfags," but it's possible to appreciate the Nationalistic aspect of the Azov battalion while still being suspicious of the government they're fighting for.
So wait, we're talking about Daily Stormer idiots, you link to the generic Consomeproduct racist sub instead.
Conpro are even bigger LARPers than Stormfags. Bunch of middle aged kids playing at being racists, probably would cream their pants IRL and melt into apology at anyone with barely any skin melanin.
That's what people really think. The version you are imagining is the feint.
Barry droned American citizens in foreign lands.
It's only a violation of the geneva convention for the side that loses.
Defending the Deep State's bank accounts.
Ukraine has been shelling civilian areas for like eight years though
No I just find it deeply ironic
The globalists and their leftist+neocon useful idiots believe war crimes are fine if their side does it.
War crimes are war crimes regardless of who does it.
But--but--but literal Hitler followed the Geneva convention (mostly), that would make us Nazis!
In all seriousness, the amount of bending over backwards I've seen to justify war crimes is sickening. Really, I think a ton of people just have no ability to put context to important warnings from history. Our ancestors thought it so valuable to document and codify certain rights because they had lived through the downside. Whether it be POW rights in the Geneva Convention or the right to free speech in the US Constitution. Yet all these modern idiots think it's totally cool to toss all of that aside because it's too old for them and disagrees with their agenda.
Or the 2nd Amendment, since in Ukraine since the war started they passed a law allowing citizens to own guns.
"There is a war and it has to stop by all means"
How about a surrender?
During the bombing of Dresden, the person in charge admitted he would likely be tried for war crimes if they lost.
At least the Russian side has excuses for their war crimes :
destruction of schools, nursery, hospitals - well there were troops inside it (with pictures of "Ukrainian" troops inside)
bombing residential areas - video of "Ukrainian" artillery firing from residential areas.
cluster bombs - no comment (as far as I can tell they didn't sign that treaty anyway)
vacuum bombs - no comments
On the other hand I've seen Ukraine say they wouldn't take prisoners of artillery crews, and of course encouraging civilians to use cocktail molotov.
Feel free to correct me on any of these but with the amount of propaganda it's very hard to tell what actually happens
When you arm civilians, you turn civilian targets into military targets.
Up to now, what we've seen from Ukraine :
And that's from Western Media pretending Ukraine are the good guys here! WTF am I missing if the Propaganda screams "ARE WE THE BADDIES" this bad ?
My home town doesn't believe in "industrial parks". In fact, I was kind of confused by the concept in other cities when I left. Factories were surrounded by residential and light commercial areas; most of the men in my neighbourhood when I was young worked at the wheel factory (Kelsey-Hayes) just down the street.
That goes for the main branch of Chrysler Canada's main assembly plant. My grandfather worked there for 40 years, as parts manager, mostly. When Canada entered WWII, that plant was retooled in 24 hours for war manufacturing (ie, tanks and such.) This is why Detroit-Windsor had a number of Soviet warheads aimed at it during the Cold War. These cities were considered a valid military target. And probably still are. Civilians are instrumental in war efforts, and just because they don't fight directly, doesn't mean they aren't important.
There's a difference between civilian manufacturing of military equipment and Civilians DIRECTLY engaging in combat with arms.
Usually, on the 3rd day of a war, you're not already arming citizens, you're evacuating them. Ukraine however, both has according to their propaganda shills, "THE BEST STANDING ARMY NO ONE CAN DEFEAT", and "A NEED TO ARM CITIZENS TO RESIST THE INVADER".
Well, when you arm citizens, you've just drafted them, and they won't be civilian casualties when a tank shells them straight in the face.
Agree with your main point, but once you start talking about using nuclear bombs and MAD, the rules of war fly out the window.
[citation needed], last I checked these days even Western Ukrainians could speak Russian when need be. Obviously after this even those who could probably will not bother, in this regard Russia has been far more effective than any Ukrainian government could dream of.
[citation needed on "Russian-Ukrainians bad"] given that DNR/LNR forces are supported and commanded by Russia.
Wait, where is the baddie part here?
Are you going to treat the joke of humanitarian corridor into the invading country seriously? Those proposed 'corridors' basically exist solely so that Russian TV can state this exact point.
Well, as far as "we are not even close to being occupied" it is going super well. I agree that as far human casualties go, this is probably the worst this could realistically go for either side.
That's not what 'gaslighting' means.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine
Are you gonna "citation needed me" on all of it ?
Checks down.
OMG, you little Ukrainian tit sucker. GTFO of here. Go read a WSJ and NYtimes article. They don't even need the FSB to look bad, even their cheerleaders that pretend to be journalists in the media don't hide any of these facts.
I think you have jumped to conclusions about that guys' intentions. As far as I can tell he's a Russian who is generally well educated on the situation, but might hate Putin enough to be a little biased.
No, because I was well aware of moves to move written language to Ukrainian that were the excuse for initial incursion all the way back in 2014, I was waiting for you to just confirm my expectation that you switched "print" for "speak" in CNN-tier move.
Nah, I am just cheering for death of Moscovia, and this has been the best shot at it Russia's history has ever bore witness to.
You're insane if you think Russia is in a losing position at this time.
Don't confuse my sincere belief that Russia can't win this brawl (because there is no win condition at hand and frankly recent Ukraine propaganda suggests Russia has moved into "we'll do a little destruction" mode above all else, the only thing this achieves is bringing this particular clip back to life: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKEmC4w9BpU) and thinking Ukraine can win this war (it probably can't, and in fact will be completely taken over by globohomo in the outcome).
As Giz rightly said, the only winner in this is China.
Of course, that does not stop me from having a pipe dream that this will trigger the collapse of Moscovia at long last.
Sure there is : Ukraine declaring neutrality, and a Putin puppet replacing the US puppet that currently sits as President.
That's your problem : you're a ukraine shill that can't see the actual big picture.
Amazing that none of these people stop to think why this against the Geneva convention.
It's not a violation of the Geneva Conventions if that's not a real POW.
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The stupidest one is someone would believing "this extraordinary confession" confirms anything.
And anyone saying "the world needs to unite" is a leftist/collectivist who wants to control you. Like "the right side of history" it's one of those memes I'm absolutely sick of. I don't even want to hear it in context of a national disaster. No I don't want to unite. Free people aren't required to unite. FUCK YOU I WON'T DO WHAT YOU TELL ME.
If you criticize Ukraine, you are a literal Nazi.
Oh, wait!
Russia, or at least the DNR, have also publicly displayed Ukrainian POWs.
Pretty sure it got downgraded to the Geneva Suggestion around the time Agent Orange was being deployed.
Also, we're using pictures of crying Russian soldiers as a "violation of the Geneva Convention"? After seeing fucking TikTok videos from said Russian soldiers being airdropped in the country? God, how long until we get a video of some zoomer flossing over the dead body of a solider?
The whole concept of a "war crime" is kind of inane. You can only enforce punishments on the defeated. People who win and set up a government or whatever are going to say big "fuck you" to the UN or whatever wanting to snatch up their people and put them on trial.
This the result of accepting feminist philosophy as sound as logical instead of insane and corrupt.
Rules for thee but definiately not for me.
Yeah, the world does need to unite—behind Russia.
You really are mentally challenged aren't you?
No, he's simply an enemy.
Mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, the list goes on.
Ukraine doesn't need to globohomo's as you put it to look bad. Just look at even just their own propaganda and puppet president's actions.
I don't know, I don't quite remember who threw the first punch in the whole Kievan vs Russian conflict that dates back centuries. And I frankly couldn't give less of a fuck. Let them fight it out however they want, don't drag us into your shit.
Everyone I disagree with is a Russian bot is a pathetic, and overplayed concern troll tactic. What's your next trick? Are you going to call anyone who disagrees with you literally Hitler too?
They are on the side the media deems righteous
When does the US make videos of POWs?
That is what I was thinking. I was also wondering when the last time the US took a prisoner they actually considered a POW was. Iraq? That's the last country I can think of that had a uniformed army taking on the US. Albeit for, like, a day.
US took about 8 weeks to take Baghdad and that was with carpet bombing the entire place indiscriminately unlike Russia's careful roll in right now. Abu Gharib is the real horror story but what scares me more it it's only talked about because it got out. Imagine what hasn't come out...