My home town doesn't believe in "industrial parks". In fact, I was kind of confused by the concept in other cities when I left. Factories were surrounded by residential and light commercial areas; most of the men in my neighbourhood when I was young worked at the wheel factory (Kelsey-Hayes) just down the street.
That goes for the main branch of Chrysler Canada's main assembly plant. My grandfather worked there for 40 years, as parts manager, mostly. When Canada entered WWII, that plant was retooled in 24 hours for war manufacturing (ie, tanks and such.) This is why Detroit-Windsor had a number of Soviet warheads aimed at it during the Cold War. These cities were considered a valid military target. And probably still are. Civilians are instrumental in war efforts, and just because they don't fight directly, doesn't mean they aren't important.
There's a difference between civilian manufacturing of military equipment and Civilians DIRECTLY engaging in combat with arms.
Usually, on the 3rd day of a war, you're not already arming citizens, you're evacuating them. Ukraine however, both has according to their propaganda shills, "THE BEST STANDING ARMY NO ONE CAN DEFEAT", and "A NEED TO ARM CITIZENS TO RESIST THE INVADER".
Well, when you arm citizens, you've just drafted them, and they won't be civilian casualties when a tank shells them straight in the face.
Making laws to prevent Russian-Ukrainians from even speaking Russian.
[citation needed], last I checked these days even Western Ukrainians could speak Russian when need be. Obviously after this even those who could probably will not bother, in this regard Russia has been far more effective than any Ukrainian government could dream of.
Shelling one of their province for 8 years because "Russian-Ukrainians bad"
[citation needed on "Russian-Ukrainians bad"] given that DNR/LNR forces are supported and commanded by Russia.
Arming civilians with Government issued weapons
Wait, where is the baddie part here?
Refusing humanitarian corridors
Are you going to treat the joke of humanitarian corridor into the invading country seriously? Those proposed 'corridors' basically exist solely so that Russian TV can state this exact point.
Pretending it's all going super well so people keep throwing their bodies at Russian tanks
Well, as far as "we are not even close to being occupied" it is going super well. I agree that as far human casualties go, this is probably the worst this could realistically go for either side.
Gaslighting Russia at every chance by still attempting to get into NATO and the EU instead of just staying neutral.
[citation needed], last I checked these days even Western Ukrainians could speak Russian when need be. Obviously after this even those who could probably will not bother, in this regard Russia has been far more effective than any Ukrainian government could dream of.
OMG, you little Ukrainian tit sucker. GTFO of here. Go read a WSJ and NYtimes article. They don't even need the FSB to look bad, even their cheerleaders that pretend to be journalists in the media don't hide any of these facts.
I think you have jumped to conclusions about that guys' intentions. As far as I can tell he's a Russian who is generally well educated on the situation, but might hate Putin enough to be a little biased.
No, because I was well aware of moves to move written language to Ukrainian that were the excuse for initial incursion all the way back in 2014, I was waiting for you to just confirm my expectation that you switched "print" for "speak" in CNN-tier move.
OMG, you little Ukrainian tit sucker.
Nah, I am just cheering for death of Moscovia, and this has been the best shot at it Russia's history has ever bore witness to.
When you arm civilians, you turn civilian targets into military targets.
Up to now, what we've seen from Ukraine :
And that's from Western Media pretending Ukraine are the good guys here! WTF am I missing if the Propaganda screams "ARE WE THE BADDIES" this bad ?
My home town doesn't believe in "industrial parks". In fact, I was kind of confused by the concept in other cities when I left. Factories were surrounded by residential and light commercial areas; most of the men in my neighbourhood when I was young worked at the wheel factory (Kelsey-Hayes) just down the street.
That goes for the main branch of Chrysler Canada's main assembly plant. My grandfather worked there for 40 years, as parts manager, mostly. When Canada entered WWII, that plant was retooled in 24 hours for war manufacturing (ie, tanks and such.) This is why Detroit-Windsor had a number of Soviet warheads aimed at it during the Cold War. These cities were considered a valid military target. And probably still are. Civilians are instrumental in war efforts, and just because they don't fight directly, doesn't mean they aren't important.
There's a difference between civilian manufacturing of military equipment and Civilians DIRECTLY engaging in combat with arms.
Usually, on the 3rd day of a war, you're not already arming citizens, you're evacuating them. Ukraine however, both has according to their propaganda shills, "THE BEST STANDING ARMY NO ONE CAN DEFEAT", and "A NEED TO ARM CITIZENS TO RESIST THE INVADER".
Well, when you arm citizens, you've just drafted them, and they won't be civilian casualties when a tank shells them straight in the face.
Agree with your main point, but once you start talking about using nuclear bombs and MAD, the rules of war fly out the window.
[citation needed], last I checked these days even Western Ukrainians could speak Russian when need be. Obviously after this even those who could probably will not bother, in this regard Russia has been far more effective than any Ukrainian government could dream of.
[citation needed on "Russian-Ukrainians bad"] given that DNR/LNR forces are supported and commanded by Russia.
Wait, where is the baddie part here?
Are you going to treat the joke of humanitarian corridor into the invading country seriously? Those proposed 'corridors' basically exist solely so that Russian TV can state this exact point.
Well, as far as "we are not even close to being occupied" it is going super well. I agree that as far human casualties go, this is probably the worst this could realistically go for either side.
That's not what 'gaslighting' means.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/01/19/new-language-requirement-raises-concerns-ukraine
Are you gonna "citation needed me" on all of it ?
Checks down.
OMG, you little Ukrainian tit sucker. GTFO of here. Go read a WSJ and NYtimes article. They don't even need the FSB to look bad, even their cheerleaders that pretend to be journalists in the media don't hide any of these facts.
I think you have jumped to conclusions about that guys' intentions. As far as I can tell he's a Russian who is generally well educated on the situation, but might hate Putin enough to be a little biased.
No, because I was well aware of moves to move written language to Ukrainian that were the excuse for initial incursion all the way back in 2014, I was waiting for you to just confirm my expectation that you switched "print" for "speak" in CNN-tier move.
Nah, I am just cheering for death of Moscovia, and this has been the best shot at it Russia's history has ever bore witness to.
You're insane if you think Russia is in a losing position at this time.