Count me as one of those. At this point, its the same thing that soured me on 'the community' and democrats completely. The harassment, threats to my life and livelihood, the sheer endless amount of bombardment, the hate and lies, being denied my rights, being denied my freedoms, it was enough 2 years ago. Fuck them, fuck their poison jabs.
The entire “health care” system is built on selling drugs. They want you sick. If you’re not, they’ll invent a disease and sell you drugs to make you sick so they can sell even more drugs.
Nine months ago, I could be persuaded with DATA. Safety, effectiveness, everything.
It's now nine months later and there is still NOTHING to show for it. Not even the data I wanted back then will do it anymore. That shit is poison, and the more they hide it, the more obvious it becomes.
Exactly. My standards weren't even very high; I look after elderly family so I'd be prepared to take a risk or 2 with some sub-optimal treatment if I could be convinced it helped to limit the spread.
Skip to now. All the data suggests the vaccines are not just sub-optimal but that they're ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRASH at BEST. Most likely they're actively making the spread worse, before even factoring in any side effects. If I were to get a vaccine now, the only thing I could be guaranteed of would be a lower chance of developing symptoms, ie. a lower chance of noticing I even have covid, should I get it, while still remaining infectious towards my family.
And yet the push to take the vaccines has gotten stronger with every new piece of data that suggests they're useless. The clear signal is that the elites do not care what we think, and that goes double if you're among the ever-shrinking minority who can demonstrate any ability to think at all. Well my response is I don't care what they say. I would rather suck a shotgun than roll up my sleeve at this stage.
However, I've kept an open mind to scientific persuasion, and have found even MORE reasons to never take it - by medical facts alone, never mind all of the other fuckery!
Every fear about authoritarian abuse, fear mongering, human rights violations, and safety has come true. Well, I'll credit all of this for one thing -- the anti-vaxxer movement may have some legs; at least, I'll be sure not to dismiss them out of hand in the future without deep personal research.
The jab is clearly the baptismal sacrament of the poz, so no thanks. Even if the kung flu was as deadly as the media portrays, I'd rather die as a heretic in the eyes of these demons than submit to the satanic cult.
You could prove to me that it's the Elixir of Life and it would make me live a thousand years, and it would still be less important to me than my right to not be injected with something if I don't fucking want to.
If it also involves an A10 strafing run on those traitors for sole purpose of demonstrating how a fluid body reacts when penetrated by super sonic anti materiel projectile, then yeah sure.
It it was perfectly harmless and kind of effective I'd probably take it rather than risk my entire livelihood like I'm about to do.
But it's not effective.
It's not harmless.
And I'm increasingly mortified that they're now calling for a 4th and FIFTH booster shot and we've barely been giving them for a YEAR - so we're basically now down to 2.5 months efficacy? That's BS and that includes the ONE MONTH for the shot to become fully effective.
All of this points to a leadership that has no idea of what they're doing but merely wants to enforce a civilian passport system where we need a license to work, eat and travel.
Again, I say, BS!
The Spanish Flu of 1918 ended WITHOUT A VACCINE in 18 months. We're now in the 21st month.
There is one thing that could persuade me to get it.
Find me one where no woman was involved in making it, no woman was involved in approving it and no woman had access to anyone involved in either of those two processes.
this whole fiasco has turn me off from vaccines for the rest of my life and i'm kinda paranoid they might give people covid vacc unknowingly like if someone goes to get a different vaccine they might just give them covid vaccine without their consent. I was never anti vax i got every shot since i was little, i probably have more vaccines than most people since the military gives shots
I mean, if they could be persuaded they would have taken it already because nearly every form of persuasion has been tried.
The most important thing to take from this is how many people are still pussy footing around and won't commit to a never. Because they know, and we know, that if actual real consequences came they would crumble like bitches.
Something something marks and weird Lovecraftian creatures, buy and selling tied to social credit score, passports, the Swedes, microchips, I told you so's...blah blah blah.
I literally told one of my friends to take it. He weighs 450 lbs and needs a breathing machine to sleep. He basically had to get it to get a real job. If he got Alpha or Delta, his ass was gonna die, simple as. Best case scenario, they would have shoved him on a ventilator, which would have probably blown out his lungs, overwhelmed his respiratory system, and killed him.
I think it was the J&J vaccine he got, so it wasn't even one of the better ones. The likelihood he was going to get Covid was very high because he still likes to socialize and have gatherings with friends whenever he can. We can only hope that when he gets Covid, like all people we know will, his exposure to the vaccine will reduce his symptoms to keep him alive, God willing, maybe even out of the hospital.
I'd prefer to have him get the non-mRNA vaccines, but especially during the Alpha strain, the hospital would have killed him as likely as the virus. So the vaccine isn't probably going to pose any more of a risk than his diet... so fuck it. Hopefully with the Novavax vaccine coming to the states, he can get that and have something closer to proper resistance when he gets infected.
Hopefully with the Novavax vaccine coming to the states, he can get that and have something closer to proper resistance when he gets infected.
Why not endorse ivermectin or the like? We're well past the point of feigned ignorance on this topic - like it originally started w.r.t HCQ (not sure where that topic eventually landed but it seems positive AFAIK).
Even if your friend is morbidly obese, not so sure that the increased toxicity from spike proteins is super great for him either...but agreed that he's an outlier from the usual frame of discussion here.
Because there's no where to get it. He's not going to try and literally consume horse paste. Zinc & Vitamin D pills will do okay-ish for preventative maintenance, but most doctors aren't prescribing ivermectin, and many hospitals outright ban it's use on people for Covid.
The rest of us aren't cool like Joe Rogan, and can't get doctors who are too well paid to buy into nonsense.
Even if your friend is morbidly obese, not so sure that the increased toxicity from spike proteins is super great for him either...but agreed that he's an outlier from the usual frame of discussion here.
Well, it made him foggy for a day and disabled his arm for a couple hours, but other than that, no major issues.
That's... not great for a vaccine to do to someone. But compared to what Covid can actually do to him, it's a lesser of two evils.
Not in my experience with the Covid shots, no. Each of the main 3 mRNA shots: Moderna, J&J, and Pfizer have similar side effects, but they can all very a bit, and each person is effected differently. The doctors explicitly warned him that what happened to him could very well happen, and it did. The first shot was worse than the 2nd one.
Normally, they expect you to be light-headed and have nausea for a while. Remember, the idea is that your body is being instructed to produce an intentionally harmful protein for a period of time, to then fight off. I've regularly heard of people complaining about the loss of mobility in their arm. He basically lost all movement in his arm, but he is one of the worse cases I've heard. Mostly it was just soreness, stiffness, and lack of maneuverability for everyone else. Remember, his weight is very likely to be a contributing factor in all of this.
The sum total of my anecdotal experiences is that when you get the shot, your out for a day, or should be just in case.
I'd say 50% have stated there were no issues beyond light-headedness, and the other 50% had issues that would last several hours, or through the day. Mostly fatigue. However, fatigue & immobility of the injected arm is not at all unheard of.
Now... for a normal vaccine, yeah, that's fucking crazy. This isn't a normal vaccine. I can tell you that I've had 12 vaccines at a time in the military and I wasn't as badly effected by them as my friend was by this one.
That was my point elsewhere about pharmacists being extremely cautious about all this. They regularly see people faint after getting the shot. That's why they tell you to just sit down for 15 minutes after injection. That mRNA shit is doing a fucking number on you.
This. ^^ This is the correct take. Also an Aussie, right? I feel like we know better than most just how fucked-up the regime has been, over this... :-/
It's only just been approved here, and it's not the "recommended" vaccine, anywhere. I literally don't know of anyone who has had it, sorry. I don't even think they've rolled it out yet, tbh...
It's Pfizer, pfizer all the way, for people here! They ordered 150 million doses of the stuff, for fuck's sake! Lol... :-/
I mean, that it may well be, but us plebs ain't got it yet, I promise you that much... :-(
Despite the gov literally giving a contract to Moderna to make shit in Melbourne, they're still pushing Pfizer to infinity! Probably because they ordered so much of it... :-/
But anyway, yes... I'm indirectly pissed off with Dom, too... Genuinely crushed my last hope for this country. And I was genuinely looking at moving to NSW somewhere, at least for a while, if he stayed the course...
But as you say, of course he didn't. Fucking spineless prick.
Side note: any "based" semi-urban (so, towns, basically) areas of NSW left, that you know of..? I know the Central Coast and Hunter are both viewed as, uhh, somewhat shithole-y, but I think I would rather live there than ANYWHERE in Sydney (Northern Beaches?) right now, lol...
Not Wollongong, though. I already tried that. :-P
Wagga? I suppose there's always fucking Wagga... Or like, Albury or something...
Honestly, it can't be much worse than my town, which... You've probably worked out by now, here or from LDS-AU...
I swear, H-Town is just becoming a mini-Melbourne, more and more each day... But like, with even less redeeming features. It's just one great big blog of woke Greenie-Labor-y left-ness...
Absolutely horrid. And I don't even live in the city itself, or that electorate. My town (of which I am in a more conservative pocket, thank fuck) couldn't get more "middle class dyed-in-the-wool ALP voting" if it tried... :-/ At all three levels of government, currently, too!!
Count me as one of those. At this point, its the same thing that soured me on 'the community' and democrats completely. The harassment, threats to my life and livelihood, the sheer endless amount of bombardment, the hate and lies, being denied my rights, being denied my freedoms, it was enough 2 years ago. Fuck them, fuck their poison jabs.
The entire “health care” system is built on selling drugs. They want you sick. If you’re not, they’ll invent a disease and sell you drugs to make you sick so they can sell even more drugs.
Money.
The harder they push it, the more sure I am that its something I dont want in my body.
They're pushing it like a car dealership that just got a batch of Ford Pintos that run on nitroglycerin.
Nah, we're beyond that, they're all in on the [Insert name of cable company] customer retention strategy now.
Nine months ago, I could be persuaded with DATA. Safety, effectiveness, everything.
It's now nine months later and there is still NOTHING to show for it. Not even the data I wanted back then will do it anymore. That shit is poison, and the more they hide it, the more obvious it becomes.
Exactly. My standards weren't even very high; I look after elderly family so I'd be prepared to take a risk or 2 with some sub-optimal treatment if I could be convinced it helped to limit the spread.
Skip to now. All the data suggests the vaccines are not just sub-optimal but that they're ABSOLUTE FUCKING TRASH at BEST. Most likely they're actively making the spread worse, before even factoring in any side effects. If I were to get a vaccine now, the only thing I could be guaranteed of would be a lower chance of developing symptoms, ie. a lower chance of noticing I even have covid, should I get it, while still remaining infectious towards my family.
And yet the push to take the vaccines has gotten stronger with every new piece of data that suggests they're useless. The clear signal is that the elites do not care what we think, and that goes double if you're among the ever-shrinking minority who can demonstrate any ability to think at all. Well my response is I don't care what they say. I would rather suck a shotgun than roll up my sleeve at this stage.
I was pretty certain on February 10th - and sometime earlier than that - this vaccine was unsafe - https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/12hRGu75Iu/an-honest-question--have-you-had/
However, I've kept an open mind to scientific persuasion, and have found even MORE reasons to never take it - by medical facts alone, never mind all of the other fuckery!
Every fear about authoritarian abuse, fear mongering, human rights violations, and safety has come true. Well, I'll credit all of this for one thing -- the anti-vaxxer movement may have some legs; at least, I'll be sure not to dismiss them out of hand in the future without deep personal research.
I was 100% for vacc before this shit. Look at all the medical malarky. We need a reimagining of medicine to move past this quack shit.
Just get the shot in 75 years when they finally release the data to the public.
Exactly.
The jab is clearly the baptismal sacrament of the poz, so no thanks. Even if the kung flu was as deadly as the media portrays, I'd rather die as a heretic in the eyes of these demons than submit to the satanic cult.
If footballers would stop dropping to the ground clutching their heart. Although I already took the J&J vaccine so oops- I think I was a tad hasty.
You could prove to me that it's the Elixir of Life and it would make me live a thousand years, and it would still be less important to me than my right to not be injected with something if I don't fucking want to.
i'm not taking the mrna shot or anything that smells of it.
This is like asking what would cause me to trust media again.
Only half? I expected more.
The survey only includes 77%.
I believe the remaining 23% told them, in very politically incorrect terms, where and what to stuff themselves with.
Nothing?
I wouldn't say nothing would persuade me.
But nothing one could reasonably expect would.
I mean, if they split the union, gave me a thousand one kilo bars of COMEX deliverable gold, and Fauci commits seppoku on live television, then sure, I'm game.
I did get the vaccine, but I would also like to see Fauci executed for treason.
If it also involves an A10 strafing run on those traitors for sole purpose of demonstrating how a fluid body reacts when penetrated by super sonic anti materiel projectile, then yeah sure.
Not true.
If it was actually effective - I'd take it.
It it was perfectly harmless and kind of effective I'd probably take it rather than risk my entire livelihood like I'm about to do.
But it's not effective. It's not harmless. And I'm increasingly mortified that they're now calling for a 4th and FIFTH booster shot and we've barely been giving them for a YEAR - so we're basically now down to 2.5 months efficacy? That's BS and that includes the ONE MONTH for the shot to become fully effective.
All of this points to a leadership that has no idea of what they're doing but merely wants to enforce a civilian passport system where we need a license to work, eat and travel.
Again, I say, BS!
The Spanish Flu of 1918 ended WITHOUT A VACCINE in 18 months. We're now in the 21st month.
There is one thing that could persuade me to get it.
Find me one where no woman was involved in making it, no woman was involved in approving it and no woman had access to anyone involved in either of those two processes.
So literally your screen name then (as in, that is impossible)..?
As if men have never done misdeeds? Your blind blaming every problem on women is straight up retarded
Yes, there's absolutely no reason women would be involved in the production of something that exclusively harms young men.
???
M y o c a r d i t i s
Okay true that does affect males more. However it most certainly isn't only males who have experienced adverse effects from the injection
*approved by antifem fauc himself
I'm pretty sure everyone on that list is dead.
this whole fiasco has turn me off from vaccines for the rest of my life and i'm kinda paranoid they might give people covid vacc unknowingly like if someone goes to get a different vaccine they might just give them covid vaccine without their consent. I was never anti vax i got every shot since i was little, i probably have more vaccines than most people since the military gives shots
well, maybe if it worked???
There’s no point to take it. It’s political. And does nothing.
I mean, if they could be persuaded they would have taken it already because nearly every form of persuasion has been tried.
The most important thing to take from this is how many people are still pussy footing around and won't commit to a never. Because they know, and we know, that if actual real consequences came they would crumble like bitches.
There's no incentive that would get me to take it. I will die before I take it. I will kill anyone who tries to make me take it.
Only half?
some of us would take it should it start the propulsion that sends joe, kama, and fauch to the moon.
Nada, zip zero zilch is going to persuade me.
Something something marks and weird Lovecraftian creatures, buy and selling tied to social credit score, passports, the Swedes, microchips, I told you so's...blah blah blah.
Honestly, that's a bit dumb.
I literally told one of my friends to take it. He weighs 450 lbs and needs a breathing machine to sleep. He basically had to get it to get a real job. If he got Alpha or Delta, his ass was gonna die, simple as. Best case scenario, they would have shoved him on a ventilator, which would have probably blown out his lungs, overwhelmed his respiratory system, and killed him.
I think it was the J&J vaccine he got, so it wasn't even one of the better ones. The likelihood he was going to get Covid was very high because he still likes to socialize and have gatherings with friends whenever he can. We can only hope that when he gets Covid, like all people we know will, his exposure to the vaccine will reduce his symptoms to keep him alive, God willing, maybe even out of the hospital.
I'd prefer to have him get the non-mRNA vaccines, but especially during the Alpha strain, the hospital would have killed him as likely as the virus. So the vaccine isn't probably going to pose any more of a risk than his diet... so fuck it. Hopefully with the Novavax vaccine coming to the states, he can get that and have something closer to proper resistance when he gets infected.
Why not endorse ivermectin or the like? We're well past the point of feigned ignorance on this topic - like it originally started w.r.t HCQ (not sure where that topic eventually landed but it seems positive AFAIK).
Even if your friend is morbidly obese, not so sure that the increased toxicity from spike proteins is super great for him either...but agreed that he's an outlier from the usual frame of discussion here.
Because there's no where to get it. He's not going to try and literally consume horse paste. Zinc & Vitamin D pills will do okay-ish for preventative maintenance, but most doctors aren't prescribing ivermectin, and many hospitals outright ban it's use on people for Covid.
The rest of us aren't cool like Joe Rogan, and can't get doctors who are too well paid to buy into nonsense.
Well, it made him foggy for a day and disabled his arm for a couple hours, but other than that, no major issues.
That's... not great for a vaccine to do to someone. But compared to what Covid can actually do to him, it's a lesser of two evils.
I have much more faith in the paste... Fair enough.
thats pretty odd for the usual vacc, is it not?
Not in my experience with the Covid shots, no. Each of the main 3 mRNA shots: Moderna, J&J, and Pfizer have similar side effects, but they can all very a bit, and each person is effected differently. The doctors explicitly warned him that what happened to him could very well happen, and it did. The first shot was worse than the 2nd one.
Normally, they expect you to be light-headed and have nausea for a while. Remember, the idea is that your body is being instructed to produce an intentionally harmful protein for a period of time, to then fight off. I've regularly heard of people complaining about the loss of mobility in their arm. He basically lost all movement in his arm, but he is one of the worse cases I've heard. Mostly it was just soreness, stiffness, and lack of maneuverability for everyone else. Remember, his weight is very likely to be a contributing factor in all of this.
The sum total of my anecdotal experiences is that when you get the shot, your out for a day, or should be just in case.
I'd say 50% have stated there were no issues beyond light-headedness, and the other 50% had issues that would last several hours, or through the day. Mostly fatigue. However, fatigue & immobility of the injected arm is not at all unheard of.
Now... for a normal vaccine, yeah, that's fucking crazy. This isn't a normal vaccine. I can tell you that I've had 12 vaccines at a time in the military and I wasn't as badly effected by them as my friend was by this one.
That was my point elsewhere about pharmacists being extremely cautious about all this. They regularly see people faint after getting the shot. That's why they tell you to just sit down for 15 minutes after injection. That mRNA shit is doing a fucking number on you.
This. ^^ This is the correct take. Also an Aussie, right? I feel like we know better than most just how fucked-up the regime has been, over this... :-/
So, genuine question: Australia's primary vaccine is Novavax, which ISN'T an mRNA version of the vaccine. How have the side effects been on it?
It literally isn't, though...
It's only just been approved here, and it's not the "recommended" vaccine, anywhere. I literally don't know of anyone who has had it, sorry. I don't even think they've rolled it out yet, tbh...
It's Pfizer, pfizer all the way, for people here! They ordered 150 million doses of the stuff, for fuck's sake! Lol... :-/
Weird. Novavax is being developed in the Australia anyway.
I mean, that it may well be, but us plebs ain't got it yet, I promise you that much... :-(
Despite the gov literally giving a contract to Moderna to make shit in Melbourne, they're still pushing Pfizer to infinity! Probably because they ordered so much of it... :-/
I'm in the FB group for it but I gave up waiting, it's obviously not coming, ditto with covax.
Did it actually get approved?
That exists? I dunno if you can "PM" on here, but I'm interested, if you can share, somehow...
Laughs in (theoretically "Liberal") TasGov...
We need a new term for these fuckers... LINO? That works, ha.
Funny how the "Liberals" are proving to be thoroughly ILLIBERAL, in policy, while also representing/taking up the very worst of neoliberalism, innit?
Not that this is exactly a NEW phenomena, of course...
But yeah, if you think NSW Libs are fucked, look to SA or Tas, or hell, what is left of the WA "Liberal" Party... :-/
But anyway, yes... I'm indirectly pissed off with Dom, too... Genuinely crushed my last hope for this country. And I was genuinely looking at moving to NSW somewhere, at least for a while, if he stayed the course...
But as you say, of course he didn't. Fucking spineless prick.
Side note: any "based" semi-urban (so, towns, basically) areas of NSW left, that you know of..? I know the Central Coast and Hunter are both viewed as, uhh, somewhat shithole-y, but I think I would rather live there than ANYWHERE in Sydney (Northern Beaches?) right now, lol...
Not Wollongong, though. I already tried that. :-P
Wagga? I suppose there's always fucking Wagga... Or like, Albury or something...
Honestly, it can't be much worse than my town, which... You've probably worked out by now, here or from LDS-AU...
I swear, H-Town is just becoming a mini-Melbourne, more and more each day... But like, with even less redeeming features. It's just one great big blog of woke Greenie-Labor-y left-ness...
Absolutely horrid. And I don't even live in the city itself, or that electorate. My town (of which I am in a more conservative pocket, thank fuck) couldn't get more "middle class dyed-in-the-wool ALP voting" if it tried... :-/ At all three levels of government, currently, too!!
Agreed. no mRNA vaccines for me until we know there's no Children Of Thalidomide shit going down. (there is)