She broke the foot several days ago and was transported to the hospital. They wanted to get her into surgery but delayed because of possible incoming covid cases and sent her home.
Two days later she's been sitting in the same chair at home because she can't walk, and her hygiene is uncared for. An ambulance was called again today but when they arrived the medics told them that the hospital wasn't admitting anything but 'emergency' patients, and apparently a 92 year old woman with a broken foot stewing in her own juice in a living room chair isn't an emergency.
This is a motherfucking crime, and neither the government nor the health care system gives one shit about it. I'm boiling with hatred for every one of these thugs.
So it's triage where fictional patients are being placed ahead of actual ones?
Is this happening in the [former] United States of America? Must be that money for treating COVID is better than what medicare would pay.
I suggest bringing to a different hospital.
Thank you for the digging to confirm the suspicion.
"Any problem created by the government can be solved with more government" -Some leftist arguing for single payer health care using the OPs example.
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"
Although, I would say a lot of pro politicians knew exactly how this would turn out.
That explains a lot. I knew there was more money from Covid but not that exact detail.
There are literal codes based on every injury and treatment. In return, every insurance company has a list of how much something will be paid based on those codes. The state is usually the one that fills those costs, so it varies based on where you are. Washington will pay for more, but require a bunch of checking to make sure the money is needed. Say you need a cat scan, you need to be XRayed first, and go through physical therapy before they will allow the cat scan, and then the process again for an MRI. They also pay less for each item. So the doctor gets $85 for an exam, then the technician gets $15 for taking your blood, and then another technician gets $5 for providing paperwork. Most doctors need about $130 to make it worth their time because of all the added costs involved, and it's the same with the technicians.
But, another state may pay the doctor $180 for the exam, and the technicians get nothing. In this case the cost either comes out of your pocket, or the doctors. I only now realized they were expecting the doctor to pay somehow. It's easier to get an MRI, but you owe the hospital money.
Some doctors and technicians add things to help compensate. This person had Covid and a broken leg. It does work and it usually pays. However, if this clinic is audited, and the extra treatment was not warranted, then the clinic owes the state money. They do the test based on a sample amount of paperwork and then multiply based on patient amount. So doctors suddenly have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for the extra treatment.
Most hospitals look like everyone is paid well, but the fear is the next time the state updates how they cover things, an entire clinic will be gone. Almost every state I know about has been paying less and less, and hospitals have been going into the red for years.
Kick in stuff like Covid, and the entire thing is falling apart.
We're working on it, they are fairly rural so options are limited.
Get it in writing that they are refusing admittance.
Always get a refusal to provide service in writing and have it signed by someone in the administration.
Nobody wants to have it on record that they turned down real patients for imaginary ones, so it will likely help you get space.
This. Hospitals thrive on good word-of-mouth. You start making insinuations about having denial of service put into writing and they'll start sweating faster than a landlord that just heard the phrase "uninhabitable".
My grandmother is also 92 and lives in a nursing home. Usually my Aunt would visit her every day to check up on her, but she wasn't able for the past 18 months. At some point somehow my Aunt managed to be able to visit my grandmother while she was at a doctor's appointment, and they were able to hug each other for the first time in a very long time. Of course the nursing home and/or the hospital caught wind of this and forbade subsequent interactions.
How we are treating people through all this -- especially the elderly -- is cruel and evil, and it saddens me that no one will likely ever see justice for this evil.
My father was in a rehab facility to get walking again after a hospitalization back in november/december. I nearly snapped at the cunt running the rehab facility when she kept getting this fart sniffing happy sigh as she cheerfully described blocking people from visiting their families for such things as touching. IF she had tried, I would have killed her. I had to leave early and left it to my mum. We got my dad out the next week and fuck if he ever goes back. He'll die at home before I let them take him again.
I would hope that no sane jury would convict you for that, but sadly we don't live in a sane world.
There's no chance because I'm not letting them take him.
After a situation that happened last year to a relative because of all this shit...the second I get the chance, I'm going full on "John Wick: Jihadi Edition". In my Christian Minecraft Server. Is planning for specific individuals in the lead up to the Purge considered fair game?
Welcome to socialized medicine. Instead of cost being the prohibitive factor, it's, "Your injury is not severe enough to warrant medical attention."
Yes. A scarce resource always requires a means of rationing. If price is not allowed to be that means, something else is required by natural law to take it's place. In the case of communist healthcare, it is time. Yes, it will cost you nothing to see the doctor. Nothing but time. Come back in 9 months I hope you don't die in the meantime.
It makes me wonder... maybe all of this covid nonsense is (in addition to all of the other reasons) a backdoor way of implementing socialized medicine in the U.S. No healthcare facilities get funds except for govt funds for (f)covid patients.
"Your family doesn't have significant medical problems, so you don't get a family doctor."
It's unlikely I would be taking up much of my doctors time if I had one, but if I had a sane, helpful doctor it would be nice to at least have that relationship.
They cannot allow her to disrupt a crucial TikTok anti-covid dance routine by actually occupying a bed and needing healthcare.
Ah yes I remember the Tik Tok nurses
The weird part about those dances was it was likely people in other departments who weren't allowed to go to work very much. If all that the hospital takes care of is COVID, then the other departments are out of work or very low.
Everyone I knew in the medical industry was dipping into savings to pay rent and stuff. Places like opticals had to be open, but very limited patient access. So places like that had to dip into savings just to pay rent and anyone allowed to work.
Meanwhile, they were being told they were important and necessary to saving the world. It created an awful situation where nurses and doctors were going broke and couldn't talk about it because Covid was that important.
When people tried to talk about it within the medical world, they were shut down. Their license was revoked and other such things.
I’m sorry to hear that. This is ridiculous
Drink more water
And get a water softener
Aye, Staff Sergeant.
Whoa, flashbacks.
Socialized Healthcare right here. Still getting taxed up the ass
Yeah, something's wrong.
So a few days ago on Reddit there was a post on KIA2 that showed a bunch of Branchy Covidians screaming about how the hospitals were totally overloaded with COVID patients, we all went: "What patients?"
Just last week, a co-worker of mine showed some COVID paranoia that she had gotten from family that worked at the hospital. They said they were expecting 9,000 daily deaths "by the end of the week", so they've already started reserving beds. The end of the weeks was in 3 days. I told her that seems extreme since the death rate isn't at 1,200 according to Google. (I wasn't going to push too hard on all of what we know).
Now you're telling me that hospitals are denying patients for COVID beds, with patients that aren't there.
Either we are about to see one of the largest spikes of COVID cases ever, or the medical establishment is so caught up on it's own lies that they don't even really know what's going on.
For the authoritarians, I suppose it's a win-win: deny people medical care as a way to push people to get vaccinations.
Jesus...
Australia might be an absolute clusterfuck, right now, but I am fairly confident that would be illegal, over here... :-/
Then again, elective surgeries havs been cancelled most everywhere, while we run around panicking as well, so... Can't guarantee that! :-S
Best wishes for your MIL's speedy recovery!!
Broken bone fixing is "elective" surgery. You need to look up what "elective" means in your jurisdiction. In many, it means "anything that isn't going to kill you in 6 hours or less is elective". It's not just plastic surgery and lap bands.
Can you have a lawyer draft up a letter demanding she be admitted or you will pursue malpractice?
Sounds like Canada. I hope it is, because my dreams of escaping South would become meaningless.
US of A.
and now I'm sad.
Recommendation: Go to hospital tell them that covid broke you're grandmother's foot and that she needs foot fixed asap or other people will have covid breaking their bones too.
well you can always watch them dance on tiktok I guess?
Which hospital is this?
Because I'm 100% sure this is against several laws active throughout the continental US, plus a number of local (in my state) ordinances that I'm moderately certain have equivalents in most places.
Contact your local ombudsman or local Department of Health. This is literally their bread and butter, and you'll get results.
Honestly, though, I'm kinda iffy on this post. I've never, in my life, heard of paramedics arriving and saying "welp, tough shit, huh?" Even if there are no beds in local hospitals, that's not their call to make; they get you there, ER does triage, and admitting handles getting you a bed (or discharge). Please do name the hospital and ambulance company.
The Pinko Pox didn't get her yet so they need to try something else. Unfortunately this sounds much more painful.
so true💀
Sue em. These people only respond when they get burned.
Sorry. Broken extremity bones are not in themselves life threatening or emergencies at any age.
Her hygiene is on YOU.
The correct way to have it treated is first an appointment with PCP GP, referral to orthopedist that will evaluate and schedule surgery and Rx appropriate analgesics.
At the Tier II local hospital that I use, posted at each admittance desk are Patients Rights, the first of which is everyone will be admitted regardless of ability to pay.
What bones? This is normal for some noes in the foot. Did the give her a boot? More info needed
I do understand your concern and frustration. I've had family that broke their bones recently that couldn't get it taken care of because of Covid and we were steamed about it. But I also have several other family in the medical field right now and they are getting swamped with Delta cases. Apparently, the major hospital in my hometown has 0 beds available because of Delta cases. It's extremely frustrating, I empathize with you as I had a similar experience, but the hospital is weighing admitting your grandmother, who probably is not going to die because of her injury, versus keeping a spot open for someone who will very probably come in shortly and need emergency care pronto or they die. I don't say this to be rude or that guy, but just to give some context and let people know this isn't just a hospital profit thing or something like that.
So 18 months into a supposed pandemic and hospitals are still unable to deal with the extra load? They're just caught completely unawares and unprepared by this thing that's been the central focus of the entire worldwide medical and governmental apparatus since January 2020? Despite building and tearing down multiple emergency field hospitals that never saw a single patient?
This isn't January 2020 anymore where you can plausibly use the element of surprise as an excuse.
It's a new variant called Delta, which is much more contagious than the previous strand. It's not "Oh, hey look, COVID is back, woops, didn't see that coming." No one knew how infectious this strand would be until it hit. Do you think all the doctors and healthcare workers are just making up their heavy case loads?
I think if you shut down the world for 18 months because you need time to prepare for a virus you don't get to use "we were caught off guard!" as an excuse anymore, even if it mutates.
And I do think hospitals have a financial incentive to reimburse things as WuFlu, yes. CPT codes and reimbursement rule the healthcare industry; I have firsthand knowledge of this.
I have mentioned before that I used to work someplace where one of their products effectively did nothing but allow a hospital to bill an extra CPT code per visit. The product was supposed to be a diagnostic aid but wasn't accurate enough to be useful on its own, so the doctor would manipulate the inputs so the tool would give them a pre-determined outcome, but since they used the tool they could bill the extra code.
And my employer wasn't doing something unique in the industry.
Unironically, yes.
A woman in the UK was arrested for filming an empty hospital. This isn't the first time people have been curious why empty hospitals are reporting that they are totally overwhelmed. Nor is it the first time they have faced extreme backlash for pointing out that the hospitals were empty.
Would they make up heavy case loads?
Of course, they already do.
https://www.lotuseaters.com/woman-arrested-for-filming-empty-uk-hospital-31-12-20
Well, 4 questions:
Signs point to yes. Maybe a few hospitals are legitimately overloaded (including your local hospital), but most are **PROVABLY ** not overwhelmed. My local hospital - which has 410 beds - had a total of 6 virus cases as of yesterday.
Looking up data for my whole state (NY), the numbers are as follows:
Total hospitalized: 1162 Total ICU: 239
Across a state with nearly 20 million people, 1100 cases and 200 ICU beds isn't going to overwhelm anyone or anything. NYC on its own has about half of that (527 hospitalized, 107 ICU), and even that is a drop in the bucket. See, for example, this PDF from a few years back (intentionally grabbing something before the virus to exclude any arguments about surge capacity being added/removed) which says "The city has 62 active hospitals, with a combined capacity of 26,451 beds."
And, looking at the CDC data, even in HHS region 4 (which has the highest number of per-capita hospitalizations), there's still only 5.44 hospitalizations per 100,000 people (and nationwide it is 2.54 hospitalizations per 100,000). Again, local clusters may make one or two hospitals get overwhelmed but if you can't have 6 people hospitalized for every 100,000 in the country there's much larger problems.
You want socialism healthcare, you can get socialism healthcare: Have no rooms? Put people in the halls. Have no beds? Put them on the floor.
Hospitals in socialized medicine countries have done this for years and years, long before COVID.
Fixing a foot takes a couple hours. Not days, not weeks, hours. Then you send them home with lots of orders not to fuck it up. I've had friends who've needed such surgeries due to workplace accidents, needed to get rods put in and whatnot. They were out same-day.
If one singular bed, in a hallway, will make or break things... Then you've fucked up seriously.
On which note... COVID patients need to be isolated and sequestered. They should be far, FAR away from surgery: There should be space in Surgery. And they need to be kept distanced: There should be beds, too, since hospitals are effectively barracks prior to COVID and need to lose basically every second bed now, so a ton of beds should be lying around.
Something is fishy about both your and OP's accounts of things. Information is being left out somewhere along the informational supply chains.
Broken foot, even at her age, is rarely a thing worth admitting you for unless it's a compound fracture or fat embolism syndrome (FES) is a possibility, visiting nurse service is more than capable of handling it. Stop being emotional because your grandma will be fine.
And? I waiting 3 weeks for a surgery to get osteomyelitis taken care of.
Osteomyelitis is a bone infection with a 11% mortality rate, she's more likely to die of covid.
Yes. Felt sick, got a Xray and CT scan, told I have it then told to come back in 3 weeks cuz covid.