Star Trek was always promoting communism.
The only reason it makes sense as anything other than a hellscape is because it depicts a world of post-scarcity where virtually all work is completely and utterly automated.
The original series used to laugh at communist Russian propaganda by having Checkov say stupid stuff all the time. Star Trek didn't start going leftist until The Next Generation. These days it's barely recognizable.
It's sad that I have to be so conflicted. They dehumanize and attack us for something they claim us to be, which we want no part of i.e. Nazis, responsible for millions deaths.
Meanwhile, here I am not wanting us to dehumanize people who proudly declare themselves members of the political group responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.
Don't be an edgy faggot. I said I didn't want to dehumanize people, despite them being horrible. It doesn't mean I'm rolling over.
I've spent the last month contacting every Councillor/representative that I can to demand action against covid passports. I've stood outside of supermarkets handing out A4 pages I printed with the cold & flu deaths from 2017 and 2018 compared to the forecasted <1000 deaths in all of 2020. I'm planning to do the same with info regarding the covid passports. I've gotten local pharmacists to admit that the masks do more harm than good.
They made me unemployed, so I have a lot of free time.
Future horror effects designers and gore special effects artists will have an entire generation of mutilated neo-vaginas and penectomies to draw from thanks to 4chan's lovingly detailed and careful documentation of all the nasty pictures the troons keep posting to their forums and discords, replete with all the English majors and wannabe novelists describing what it's like to feel the gaping hole in their body oozing pus and blood all hours of the day, tortured by the stench of feces and necrotizing flesh, and the abject disgust and terror that they are now trapped in the mangled flesh bag that was once their body, and they can never go back.
I'm sorry that was such a run-on sentence, but I was on a roll.
replete with all the English majors and wannabe novelists describing what it's like to feel the gaping hole in their body oozing pus and blood all hours of the day, tortured by the stench of feces and necrotizing flesh, and the abject disgust and terror that they are now trapped in the mangled flesh bag that was once their body, and they can never go back.
Even Roddenberry accepted that you needed a post-scarcity environment (replicators) to make his pie-in-the-sky, post-money paradise feasible. (Though this often left the human factions needing to literally barter random goods and resources like bronze age merchants in order to work with non-allied alien races).
The crazy thing is that even post scarsity his bullshit is still bullshit. Communism is a rejection of human nature. Post scarcity would require a more totalitarian, ruthless ruling class. Most humans are all about control and external validation. Technology will not change that short of rewritting our genetic code.
Star Trek's original creator was a radical leftist/Marxist if I recall correctly. I never was a fan of Star Trek.
Fucking commies today face no real pushback and are supported by all the major institutions thus they get emboldened. The right needs to find a way to make commies afraid again.
Anyone who wants a very interesting and based epic story in space should check out the Legend of the Galactic Heroes anime instead of financially supporting this space communist Star Trek shit.
You're being a little unfair here. If you're going to judge a franchise by the views of its creator(s) then you're going to be left with basically theological literature and that's about it. I mean, you cite an anime with that standard? Japan is extremely collectivist. By choice, perhaps. But still. Hardly a compatable culture with Enlightenment Americanism.
Roddenberry may have been a dirty commie, but by and large it doesn't bleed into the show until the most recent woke trash they're shitting out. There's even an episode where Kirk recites the Preamble to the Constitution and the Pledge of Allegiance - complete with "Under God" - to help stop a war.
DS9 is very accidentally conservative. Espousing principles such as the value of the nuclear family, the value of religious faith, and patriotism in the face of infiltration from an insidious external foe. The Dominion is a breathtaking prediction of exactly how China is behaving towards the US twenty years before it started happening.
Star Trek on covid alarmism Really this whole two part episode teaches against the fear mongering that went into the lockdowns and the rest of the covid nonsense.
Star Trek showcasing how cognitive dissonance is used to manipulate people into conformity. Back ground on this one, the villain has been torturing the hero trying to make him say there are five lights when there are only four. He knows that by making the hero knowingly say an untruth, he can use that violation of ethics to extract further information. This is at the end ofthe episode when the Federation has found out that the hero is captured and negotiated his release. The villain tries one last time to bribe the hero with social status - all he has to do is say 2+2=5. This is exactly how leftists opperate.
He knows that by making the hero knowingly say an untruth, he can use that violation of ethics to extract further information. This is at the end ofthe episode when the Federation has found out that the hero is captured and negotiated his release. The villain tries one last time to bribe the hero with social status - all he has to do is say 2+2=5. This is exactly how leftists opperate.
Specifically Communists. Making dissenters espouse truths both parties know to be false, and both understand the other knows they are aware are false is right out of the Soviet handbook.
No. Roddenberry started out a Kennedy New Frontier guy. But as someone said, "Liberalism entered the '60s proud of its accomplishments. It left the '60s ashamed of them."
I always thought that post-scarcity BS began from that throw-away line in Star Trek IV: "Money... they still use that here."
Been saying this for years - someone should make a movie/show about the massive genocide and massacre that had to happen to create the Star Trek utopia. Now THAT would be a new Star Trek series worth watching.
and the death camps where they continue to kill those that do not subscribe to their nonesense. any free-thinking individualist would require extermination.
It's funny - before TNG had reallly taken off I took a philosophy course in college from a devout leftist who decried TOS Star Trek's "imperialist and colonialist" thinking.
TOS was not and is not "communist" - Roddenberry was a classical liberalist back in the 60s before believing his own mythology and turning socialist in the 80s. TNG is undoubtedly socialist if not communist in its run and sequels.
Many of the TOS are, if anything, stricly anti-Communist (see the episode - This Side of Paradise where spores turn a colony into effective communists with no needs or wants) or "The Way to Eden" (aka the Space Hippies episode) which, if anything, shows that AntiFa of yesterday is the Hippies of yesterday.
Meanwhile TNG went into meaningless and inspid platitudes of "We've moved beyond the seeking of money or fame" - which is utter, contradictory BS - why else shove everyone into a grand starship for exploration... for "fun"? While simultaneously supporting the evil methodology of wiping peoples memories to protect the prime directive (a tactic which Babylon 5 rightly mocked)
The existence of Picard's vineyard contradicts his statement. Maybe if you're happy in your pod eating replicated surf and turf every night and jacking to space porn you don't need money. But running and maintaining a vineyard- or a restaurant in the French Quarter- is there a special dispensation for places like this to make Earth feel alive rather than a giant dormitory? Who gets the wine? Who gets the jam-ba-laya? Maybe there's a system of have and have-nots maintained by the government- maybe it is communism.
Shush - you're going to ruin his socialist utopian fantasy!
Picard's vineyard contradicts TNG's WRITERS who would spew vapid ideas about moving beyond the "needs of money" while simultaneously pontificating on "pursuing lofty goals of personal betterment and society". Completely ignoring the facts that money is a TOOL to facilitate trade - that trade NEVER goes away, even in a communist society - that the writers think their writing stories is as important if not MORE important to trade than the necessities of life like... food... medicine... house building, etc; (all of which the writers waive away with "replicators" that provide all the needs and comforts a human could ever want and which idiots, like this OP, have even written thesis on a "post scarcity society") and you see that the writers for the ST:TOS episode "This Side of Paradise" are far FAR more smarter than anyone writing ANY "commercial" fiction we have today.
(McCoy is resting under a tree, with a tall glass of mint julep in his hand.)
ELIAS: Well, Doctor, I've been thinking about what sort of work I could assign you to.
MCCOY: What do you mean, what sort of work? I'm a doctor.
ELIAS: Not any more, of course. We don't need you. Not as a doctor.
MCCOY: Oh, no? Would you like to see how fast I can put you in a hospital?
ELIAS: I am the leader of this colony. I'll assign you whatever work I think suitable.
MCCOY: Just a minute. You'd better make me a mechanic. Then I can treat little tin gods like you. (He punches Elias) Sorry, Sandoval. I don't know what made me do that.
ELIAS: We've done nothing here. No accomplishments, no progress. Three years wasted. We wanted to make this planet a garden.
MCCOY: You can't stay here. You can't survive without the spores. After you've cleared at the Starbase, you could be relocated. It depends upon what you want.
ELIAS: I think I'd, I think we'd like to get some work done. The work we started out to do.
Well, when we figure out how to convert energy to matter and figure out how to create practically infinite energy like they do in Trek, maybe the problems of supply inherent in a command economy can be solved.
Not one moment before that though.
Funny thing about Trek, though. As a conservative Trekkie, the show was always pretty accidentally conservative up until the woke shitshows that are the most recent offers. DS9 is particular tried to be proto-woke and ended up being VERY conservative completely by mistake
The people who claim to detest wealth and money are the ones who can't shut up about it. You'd think these commies would go full Buddhist or join the Amish instead of bitching and moaning about how one day they'll get to rule over us.
Really nothing is stopping anyone from pooling money, buying some land and giving the commune life a go. I would argue that there's never been a better time for it. People are willing to pay for the type of products a commune could produce, like raw milk, chicken (you wouldn't believe what a free range chicken goes for; you'd think you were buying new york strip), soap, and woodworking products, hell buy a wood mizer and just sell the wood for a fortune. But that would be work, they want to sit in their apartments do nothing and consoom all these things not produce them.
Dude is Vietnamese. Just like the Cubans he should know why Communism is bad.
This retard's parents escaped Vietnam to get AWAY from this shit.
What an ungrateful idiot. Every boomer/Gen X Vietnamse person I know HATES the Vietcong and communism and the US being the opposite of that shit is the reason why they migrated here.
We went back and forth over whether what these people were doing was a positive thing or a negative thing. Star Trek is such a tech show, and making these people antitechnology, it was almost like doing a negative show on Greenpeace.
The official Star Trek website is openly promoting Communism. They've become so overconfident that they're not even bothering to disguise it now.
Star Trek was always promoting communism. The only reason it makes sense as anything other than a hellscape is because it depicts a world of post-scarcity where virtually all work is completely and utterly automated.
The original series used to laugh at communist Russian propaganda by having Checkov say stupid stuff all the time. Star Trek didn't start going leftist until The Next Generation. These days it's barely recognizable.
Star Trek is much more Rousseauian than Marxist. Even TNG
Punch a communist.
it's fun and they deserve it.
It's sad that I have to be so conflicted. They dehumanize and attack us for something they claim us to be, which we want no part of i.e. Nazis, responsible for millions deaths.
Meanwhile, here I am not wanting us to dehumanize people who proudly declare themselves members of the political group responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions of people.
I wonder if you will still be saying this cuckery when they start rounding up everyone to the right of Marx into boxcars.
Don't be an edgy faggot. I said I didn't want to dehumanize people, despite them being horrible. It doesn't mean I'm rolling over.
I've spent the last month contacting every Councillor/representative that I can to demand action against covid passports. I've stood outside of supermarkets handing out A4 pages I printed with the cold & flu deaths from 2017 and 2018 compared to the forecasted <1000 deaths in all of 2020. I'm planning to do the same with info regarding the covid passports. I've gotten local pharmacists to admit that the masks do more harm than good.
They made me unemployed, so I have a lot of free time.
"I don't want to dehumanize marxists"
That nonsense sympathetic rhetoric will cause us to get destroyed in the long run.
Good job on you taking action against covid passports though
Nah. They can get fucked. Commies aren't people.
that's the christuck in you talking. you were trained to be a slave and to demonize strength.
Atheist since 94.
I grew up supporting the 'Ra, and supported taking back the North with arms.
Thats called a tranny friend.
Future horror effects designers and gore special effects artists will have an entire generation of mutilated neo-vaginas and penectomies to draw from thanks to 4chan's lovingly detailed and careful documentation of all the nasty pictures the troons keep posting to their forums and discords, replete with all the English majors and wannabe novelists describing what it's like to feel the gaping hole in their body oozing pus and blood all hours of the day, tortured by the stench of feces and necrotizing flesh, and the abject disgust and terror that they are now trapped in the mangled flesh bag that was once their body, and they can never go back.
I'm sorry that was such a run-on sentence, but I was on a roll.
Sentence ws 10/10. Would run again
Hello? Based Department?
Even Roddenberry accepted that you needed a post-scarcity environment (replicators) to make his pie-in-the-sky, post-money paradise feasible. (Though this often left the human factions needing to literally barter random goods and resources like bronze age merchants in order to work with non-allied alien races).
Why I love DS9.
"I'm human! I don't HAVE any money!"
"Look, it's not my fault your species decided to abandon currency based economics in favor of some philosophy of self enhancement"
"There's nothing wrong with our philosophy. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity."
"What does that mean exactly?"
"It means... it means we don't need money."
"Well if you don't need money, you certainly don't need MY money."
God Save The Ferengi Alliance!
Greed is eternal.
The crazy thing is that even post scarsity his bullshit is still bullshit. Communism is a rejection of human nature. Post scarcity would require a more totalitarian, ruthless ruling class. Most humans are all about control and external validation. Technology will not change that short of rewritting our genetic code.
Star Trek's original creator was a radical leftist/Marxist if I recall correctly. I never was a fan of Star Trek.
Fucking commies today face no real pushback and are supported by all the major institutions thus they get emboldened. The right needs to find a way to make commies afraid again.
Anyone who wants a very interesting and based epic story in space should check out the Legend of the Galactic Heroes anime instead of financially supporting this space communist Star Trek shit.
You're being a little unfair here. If you're going to judge a franchise by the views of its creator(s) then you're going to be left with basically theological literature and that's about it. I mean, you cite an anime with that standard? Japan is extremely collectivist. By choice, perhaps. But still. Hardly a compatable culture with Enlightenment Americanism.
Roddenberry may have been a dirty commie, but by and large it doesn't bleed into the show until the most recent woke trash they're shitting out. There's even an episode where Kirk recites the Preamble to the Constitution and the Pledge of Allegiance - complete with "Under God" - to help stop a war.
DS9 is very accidentally conservative. Espousing principles such as the value of the nuclear family, the value of religious faith, and patriotism in the face of infiltration from an insidious external foe. The Dominion is a breathtaking prediction of exactly how China is behaving towards the US twenty years before it started happening.
Star Trek on cancel culture
Star Trek on covid alarmism Really this whole two part episode teaches against the fear mongering that went into the lockdowns and the rest of the covid nonsense.
Stsr Trek making fun of Roddenberry's vision
Stsr Trek on abortion and also on the importance of continuing one's race
Star Trek on the government's role in how we raise our children
Star Trek showcasing how cognitive dissonance is used to manipulate people into conformity. Back ground on this one, the villain has been torturing the hero trying to make him say there are five lights when there are only four. He knows that by making the hero knowingly say an untruth, he can use that violation of ethics to extract further information. This is at the end ofthe episode when the Federation has found out that the hero is captured and negotiated his release. The villain tries one last time to bribe the hero with social status - all he has to do is say 2+2=5. This is exactly how leftists opperate.
Specifically Communists. Making dissenters espouse truths both parties know to be false, and both understand the other knows they are aware are false is right out of the Soviet handbook.
The leftist mentality is exemplified in the Prime Directive.
That's absolutely not a Leftist mentality. When have you ever seen a communist be against shitting up a place, democracy or otherwise?
That was a specific result of the anti-war and anti-colonial Zietgiest of the time.
And even in the original series, the Federation involved itself in some planets because the Klingons had no such ideology.
No. Roddenberry started out a Kennedy New Frontier guy. But as someone said, "Liberalism entered the '60s proud of its accomplishments. It left the '60s ashamed of them."
I always thought that post-scarcity BS began from that throw-away line in Star Trek IV: "Money... they still use that here."
Been saying this for years - someone should make a movie/show about the massive genocide and massacre that had to happen to create the Star Trek utopia. Now THAT would be a new Star Trek series worth watching.
and the death camps where they continue to kill those that do not subscribe to their nonesense. any free-thinking individualist would require extermination.
A Maquis-focused series has the potential to be fantastic, but sadly the time is past where they could make a show worth watching.
Thats what voyager should have been more about. A maquis crew with a starfleet crew, and the competing ideologies that comes with that.
TFW Eddington was right.
It's funny - before TNG had reallly taken off I took a philosophy course in college from a devout leftist who decried TOS Star Trek's "imperialist and colonialist" thinking.
TOS was not and is not "communist" - Roddenberry was a classical liberalist back in the 60s before believing his own mythology and turning socialist in the 80s. TNG is undoubtedly socialist if not communist in its run and sequels.
Many of the TOS are, if anything, stricly anti-Communist (see the episode - This Side of Paradise where spores turn a colony into effective communists with no needs or wants) or "The Way to Eden" (aka the Space Hippies episode) which, if anything, shows that AntiFa of yesterday is the Hippies of yesterday.
Does THIS sound like communism to anyone here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deq6_p47g54
Meanwhile TNG went into meaningless and inspid platitudes of "We've moved beyond the seeking of money or fame" - which is utter, contradictory BS - why else shove everyone into a grand starship for exploration... for "fun"? While simultaneously supporting the evil methodology of wiping peoples memories to protect the prime directive (a tactic which Babylon 5 rightly mocked)
No, sorry Virginia, Star Trek is NOT communist.
The existence of Picard's vineyard contradicts his statement. Maybe if you're happy in your pod eating replicated surf and turf every night and jacking to space porn you don't need money. But running and maintaining a vineyard- or a restaurant in the French Quarter- is there a special dispensation for places like this to make Earth feel alive rather than a giant dormitory? Who gets the wine? Who gets the jam-ba-laya? Maybe there's a system of have and have-nots maintained by the government- maybe it is communism.
Shush - you're going to ruin his socialist utopian fantasy!
Picard's vineyard contradicts TNG's WRITERS who would spew vapid ideas about moving beyond the "needs of money" while simultaneously pontificating on "pursuing lofty goals of personal betterment and society". Completely ignoring the facts that money is a TOOL to facilitate trade - that trade NEVER goes away, even in a communist society - that the writers think their writing stories is as important if not MORE important to trade than the necessities of life like... food... medicine... house building, etc; (all of which the writers waive away with "replicators" that provide all the needs and comforts a human could ever want and which idiots, like this OP, have even written thesis on a "post scarcity society") and you see that the writers for the ST:TOS episode "This Side of Paradise" are far FAR more smarter than anyone writing ANY "commercial" fiction we have today.
Well, when we figure out how to convert energy to matter and figure out how to create practically infinite energy like they do in Trek, maybe the problems of supply inherent in a command economy can be solved.
Not one moment before that though.
Funny thing about Trek, though. As a conservative Trekkie, the show was always pretty accidentally conservative up until the woke shitshows that are the most recent offers. DS9 is particular tried to be proto-woke and ended up being VERY conservative completely by mistake
I watched Star Trek. The ones that seem to die wear red. Be careful for what you wish for commies...
No wars? Did he miss all those episodes where violence solved the problem? Or the DS9 seasons literally about wars?
The people who claim to detest wealth and money are the ones who can't shut up about it. You'd think these commies would go full Buddhist or join the Amish instead of bitching and moaning about how one day they'll get to rule over us.
Really nothing is stopping anyone from pooling money, buying some land and giving the commune life a go. I would argue that there's never been a better time for it. People are willing to pay for the type of products a commune could produce, like raw milk, chicken (you wouldn't believe what a free range chicken goes for; you'd think you were buying new york strip), soap, and woodworking products, hell buy a wood mizer and just sell the wood for a fortune. But that would be work, they want to sit in their apartments do nothing and consoom all these things not produce them.
I'm sure there's a good comparison to be made between communists and the true believers pushing multilevel marketing schemes.
Dude is Vietnamese. Just like the Cubans he should know why Communism is bad.
This retard's parents escaped Vietnam to get AWAY from this shit.
What an ungrateful idiot. Every boomer/Gen X Vietnamse person I know HATES the Vietcong and communism and the US being the opposite of that shit is the reason why they migrated here.
But the federation were fascist. Its like these retards dont know what their talking about.
lel
Beware of whack jobs who would sabotage a star ship to forcibly create their totalitarian utopia.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Paradise_(episode)
We went back and forth over whether what these people were doing was a positive thing or a negative thing. Star Trek is such a tech show, and making these people antitechnology, it was almost like doing a negative show on Greenpeace.