The astra Zeneca vaccine is an adeno virus vaccine of the available 3 it’s the only type we regularly use and so I’d still label it the safest. But these vaccines have been rushed through a normally minimum 4 year process in less than a year so there’s no telling what kinds of long term side effects it will have. I would recommend heavily against anyone taking it on the grounds it’s wildly untested but most of all I’d recommend women who are pregnant or want to be pregnant take no current form of the vaccine as an amino acid string in the covid spike protein what the vaccine teaches to attack is also an amino acid string used by the body during pregnancy to stop the body from attacking the child. We don’t know if it will target that amino acid string specifically but if that’s the vector the body uses to attack them all future pregnancies would either be impossible or extremely risky involving heavy immuno suppressant use.
an amino acid string in the covid spike protein what the vaccine teaches to attack is also an amino acid string used by the body during pregnancy to stop the body from attacking the child. We don’t know if it will target that amino acid string specifically but if that’s the vector the body uses to attack them all future pregnancies would either be impossible or extremely risky involving heavy immuno suppressant use.
Holy shit is this the bill gates "reduce the world population by 15%" magic bullet?
This shit is demoralizing. Finding a woman worth starting a family with was already hard enough but now most of them are going to be sterile too? Game over. Just give me a hot war to fight in already, maybe then I can at least find some meaning in death.
Oh no, people who want to have land, a family, and some meaning in life. How fucking terrible they are! Better to own nothing, leave no legacy, and consooooooom
No if it was we wouldn’t know about it and as far as stands it’s only a chance that it would affect said amino acid string. There are far more efficient and guaranteed ways to sterilize a population this is just a wildly untested pr stunt so Biden can claim he beat covid.
I'm not saying I really believe it, its just fun to think about it.
But if I were a bond villian type evil megalomaniac who wanted to disrupt global reproduction, without getting personally blamed for it, then releasing an "untested" vaccine and denying knowing about the "side effects" when they show up afterwards sure does seem like a good way to go about it.
Why do that you have nearly infinite resources. Genetically engineered water born virus or bacteria distribute it to terrorist cells globally. No one could stop it.
Because he doesn't want to kill himself or someone he cares about. Widespread, uncontrollable viruses are not viable for population control. The elites need to change the population itself, hence the dna-altering vaccinations. The goal is billions of people genetically ear-marked for a targeted designer virus.
Anyone else noticing the return to the correct name for covid? Sars cov 2.
They spend MONTHS avoiding calling it this, to avoid comparing it to sars cov 1, and to dig the nails in fear mongering and political points coring as covid 19.
Now enough people are self terrorising they can start using its proper name.
I honestly just want advice on what my next move should be.
If I can avoid it, I'm not taking it.
I'd say tell them that there's still a lot of debate on the vaccine's efficacy and they'll be fine to wait a year or so and wait to see the impact for themselves. Tell them they'll probably have to get a different vaccine in the future anyway, so let somebody else go first. Either people who genuinely need it should get it ahead of them, or other people can be the test subjects.
Take whichever approach would work best for them, but focus on reminding them that they know what's best for themselves more than anyone else:
They'll just have to take a new one later anyway, so there's no reason to rush
Let someone else be the test subjects of the vaccine
You're not in much risk right now as it is
Other people might need it more than you.
One of those will probably be a compelling argument, but I wouldn't try and push it on them. Let them choose which of those arguments they'd like to rationalize as the reason they don't really want to take it.
Honestly, the risk is probably pretty minimal, the question is if the risk of COVID 19 itself is greater than the risk of the virus. Having had COVID 19 myself and having experienced basically no symptoms and no long term effects, I am staunchly against taking the vaccine myself. That said, if I were over 60, I'd be taking it, and the same reason I am not giving my grandparents crap as they take it now.
Agreed. I've had two whole peoplesay they had covid(according to tests). The first had no change in e ir daily life, not even a cough. The second had breathing issues very similar too ooh say pneumonia.
People who are less than 60 years of age have a survival rate of 99.5% if they catch the Chinavirus.
Does it make any sense to take a rushed experimental vaccine pushed by corrupt globalists for such a virus?
The Chinavirus vaccines should not be mandatory and people should be wary of taking anything the corrupt mainstream media and that the compromised CDC heavily pushes.
Try to persuade your relative of the potential side-effects of the vaccine.
Getting the vaccine now is like being a beta tester. Why not wait to see if there are issues and wait until all the issues are worked out?
For this case I would recommend the beta tester argument.
Normally vaccine development takes about four years. This vaccine development was done in less than a year. This is pretty rushed testing.
Ask them why not wait to see if it has long term side effects and wait until those issues are fixed?
This specific argument avoids accusations of conspiracy theories and focuses on the fact that this experimental vaccine has not been fully tested as rigorously as other vaccines.
If they are not in a high risk group, why should they rush to take this vaccine?
This basically, tell them rushed production, no studies of long term effects, over-hyped infections of corona and why take it now and not in a year after it's had more testing.
If they are in bad health, meaning fat, existing respiratory issues, etc. then I'd suggest they go for it. I think you know the people I mean, I'm not talking about an active person who's even moderately overweight. I mean the ones that would struggle to walk a mile down the street. It's pretty much gone through one side of my family totally now and those in that category 100% of them had to at least visit the ER for treatment, 3 were admitted, and 1 died. The rest of us? I think the worst symptoms was cold-like for a few days combined with about a week of taste/smell.
So I'd decide by thinking about actual risk vs vaccine risk. For me, I'm kicking the vaccine as far down the kerb as I can.
I took the vaccine. My house is next to my parents so I spend a lot of time with them. My job has me working with a lot of people. I didn't take it because of any fear I have, I took it to protect my parents. After the shot I felt a slight tingle in my arm, with soreness in the injection spot for about a day. No other symptoms. My parents also received it. I didn't do it for me, I did it for them.
Defense in depth. A vaccine does not have to be 100% effective on an individual level to be 100% effective in eradicating a disease, as long as it reduces the transmission rate below 1.
Supposedly most/all of the currently available SARS-Cov-2 vaccines are ineffective in preventing transmission, but are primarily used to minimize symptoms. If someone has more detailed information on which ones are intended for symptom minimization and which are intended for reduction in transmission feel free to share, but I have no intention of taking it myself and don't really need any further information to dissuade most of those I care about from avoiding the vaccines than pointing out the rushed approval process for this vaccine and that the nearest relative of this Virus (SARS-COV-1, or just SARS) hasn't had a vaccine developed yet despite having been around far longer.
I can appreciate your sentiments there, but all the "official" lines seem to say that you wasted your time. After all (around here at least) even if you get the vaccine you still need to mask, you still need to socially distance, etc, etc. So, the people demanding you get the vaccine are saying the vaccine doesn't actually stop you from spreading it something isn't quite right.
I am not. Going to be a beta tester for this. No way. I am, however, surrounded by people screeching to get the vaccine. When it comes up, I tell people that there are far too many vulnerable and elderly people across the globe who need it much more than I, and I cannot in good conscience deprive someone else when my risk profile is so low. I don't know how long this excuse is going to work, but it has successfully made other people feel selfish. Pretty happy with the results so far.
Ask them how many times they're expecting to have to take the vaccine.
Remind them that the China Virus is a coronavirus type which pretty much means mass and common mutation. Already they've talked about multiple new strains from multiple countries. Just like a normal flu vaccine, this vaccine is "coded" for a single strain. And just like a flu vaccine, it isn't necessarily going to take.
It's an untested specific vaccine for a heavily chaotic virus that will 100% mutate beyond the scope of said vaccine.
Any potential protection is limited and temporary.
The risks are mostly unknown, yet statements are already given by health organizations telling different groups of vulnerable people NOT to take the vaccine due to risks of complications.
Basically, you're trading your continued freedom for a potential but unassured temporary safety.
Consider that if your family member is an ordinary person they'll think you're crazy if you express any skepticism about this thing. Also consider that if they didn't explicitly ask for your advice they may not want it and may be openly hostile to it.
After a WuFlu discussion with my parents turned into a rather heated argument I decided that I was done trying to advise them on this thing at all. No mention of prophylaxis, no vaccine skepticism, no lockdown skepticism, no mask skepticism, nothing. Because they won't listen to me about anything the TV has told them is bad, and all it does is damage our relationship.
At that point it becomes a risk management exercise: there's a much higher probability that if I express skepticism our relationship being so irreparably damaged that we cut each other out of our lives than the vaccine causing irreparable harm to them.
They took the vaccine (I don't know which one); fortunately they haven't suffered any side effects.
None of the vaccines have been sufficiently tested by pre-covid standards.
All the drug companies have been granted total immunity from any responsibility for negative side effects.
The vaccine does not protect against other strains of the virus.
The vaccine does not guarantee that you will not catch the virus or spread it to others; you will still have to wear a mask and social distance.
If your relative wants to be injected with an experimental and only marginally effective vaccine that is not approved by the government's drug safety agency, and for which the manufacturer bears no responsibility, then I guess he or she can go right ahead.
My reasoning for not taking it is three-fold. First, development was rushed. There could be months long or year long side affects we just don't know about, an error due to the development pressure, corners cut. Second, I don't need it. I'll be fine, I'm a young male with no health issues and a solid mind. I'm at the bottom of the list because I'm likely holding the lowest chance of a bad case of Covid- let someone else take it, someone who is in danger. If your family member is in reasonably good health, saving a dose for someone who is in more danger than them could be good. Third, there will likely be a standardization at some point that most people will get, if you want it just wait till then.
If you're of the opinion that it's an inevitability that you'll be forced to take a vaccine to avoid repercussions in your country, then the Astra one is certainly the least risky. Working by a mechanism that has been well tested in the past, even if the target is novel, leaves a lot less room for unexpected outcomes.
I'm not of the opinion that there's any evidence of big side effects that are being suppressed, unlike the election there's no glaringly suspicious activity going on to raise red flags in the results as reported. Everyone's findings seem consistent to the usual degree. The fertility concerns are not exactly settled, but there's particular no red flags there either, it's simply a "well we haven't done much to disprove it, because of the timescales". A handful of people have given birth after the vaccine, and a handful have miscarried, and a handful of others have gotten pregnant, all in numbers too small to be conclusive but all in proportions that at least aren't alarming on the surface.
The virus probably won't do a healthy <60 y/o much harm, but neither will the Astra vaccine, most likely.
I haven't looked into the AstraZeneca vaccine much before this, so this is based on general knowledge, and a cursory glance. I've listed a number of scary things, but I can't say anything about the actual probability of anything bad happening. Uncertainty is definitely an issue with all of these vaccines, but that doesn't mean it may not be overall a benefit, just that there's risk.
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Some former vaccines have caused ADE (Antibody-Dependant Enhancement). This is where the antibodies produced increase the disease, and produce an extreme immune response when later exposed to the virus, or one similar to it. https://archive.vn/x9iiE
Trials are very important to prove the effectiveness, and check for any potential side effects (including ADE). None of the covid-19 vaccines have had close to enough duration of testing by standard measures. They are all rushed, and therefore any potential effects that will only show up / become obvious years later are not known. Otherwise, it's a matter of significance in how many people included in the study, how many actually became infected, what the included demographics were (and which weren't included), and what the general integrity of the measures used (was it double-blind, etc.) Here's a WIRED article that mentions a number of issues with the AstraZeneca trials https://archive.vn/esJMJ. I only took a quick glance, and like I said, I haven't looked into the AstraZeneca vaccine before (or its studies) so it's worth doing your own research on this. There are important problems with the trials.
A cursory search shows different efficacy amounts (60-75%). Efficacy is the reduction of the disease in the most favorable conditions / best case scenario. The mRNA 'vaccines' efficacy seemed to be bullshit from what I could gather. I don't know enough to make a judgement call on this one. The duration of any immunity produced through the vaccine is also unknown, as is immunity from getting the virus normally.
The makers of all Sars Cov 2 vaccines are immune from liabilities. A senior executive at Astra, Ruud Dobber, said to Reuters, "This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects."
For your family member, their unique circumstances also matter. What is their exposure to the main virus, and variants? Do they have any health conditions that may make a potential infection more deadly? If they had former disease could it have left lasting damage in a related area (like the lungs)?
The CDC lists a weekly count of deaths related/unrelated to covid-19, and also comorbidities (table 3) for deaths listed as covid-19: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm Note that there are financial incentives for hospitals to list someone as having died of covid, so the belief that someone has covid, or a positive test for sars2 (that at least previously have been too sensitive - including those with too low amounts to have effect, or may have become immune by the time of the test).
There are also other things that can be done. Zinc seems to show a reduction in virus reproduction. UV can kill the virus, so letting sunlight in is good. There seems to be a correlation with lack of vitamin D and more severe infections, I don't know if there is a causation effect, but it's worth ensuring a proper amount anyway. There are also drugs like HQC that show positive signs in heavily reducing severity of infection if taken early enough. The lancet study that was used to discredit HQC was retracted https://archive.vn/esJMJ, and some doctors swear by drug, but he/she should talk to their own doctor about it, or other potential alternative drugs. Not trying to push HQC, it is just one of the drugs some doctors are using.
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This isn't an easy situation. You have my sympathy.
Look, the AstraZeneca vaccine IIRC uses older tech that has been used for other vaccines. You're vaccinated, aren't you? The science used for the vaccine is known.
The ONLY unknown is the long term consequences of using these vaccines. And here's the thing - vaccines made with that tech are known, and unless you've started growing new limbs or gotten illnesses directly linked to those vaccines, these are probably much safer than the Moderna/Pfizer ones that were being pushed out the past two months. I refuse to take those vaccines because the tech has not been tested for long term use. Someone else can be the test subject.
There's also a fourth vaccine being made by Johnson & Johnson that is very much like an old school vaccine as well. One dose, uses a "weakened" virus that your body attacks to create the antibodies to further stop infections.
I refuse to take the Moderna/Pfizer ones because I already have issues with my immune system (I have seborrheic dermatitis and need Xyzal/Zyrtec to keep myself from breaking out into itches) - we don't know what these particular vaccines will do to immune systems because the tech itself is untested.
Of all the vaccines you are at least somewhat safer with the AstraZeneca one, but I also understand your worry as well.
I am going to wait for the J&J vaccine and wait about a year or two before even taking that one because we have ZERO idea as to what the long term consequences are of taking this. Leftists are trying to force vaccinations by saying "Well, it's better to get a vaccine and suffer side effects versus the known side effects of possibly getting COVID with long term symptoms/damage it can do."
Well fuck, it sounds like with either case we're fucked, but I'll take my chances and wait for this to mature. I'm not gonna beta test a fucking vaccine.
You got married? Congratulations.
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The astra Zeneca vaccine is an adeno virus vaccine of the available 3 it’s the only type we regularly use and so I’d still label it the safest. But these vaccines have been rushed through a normally minimum 4 year process in less than a year so there’s no telling what kinds of long term side effects it will have. I would recommend heavily against anyone taking it on the grounds it’s wildly untested but most of all I’d recommend women who are pregnant or want to be pregnant take no current form of the vaccine as an amino acid string in the covid spike protein what the vaccine teaches to attack is also an amino acid string used by the body during pregnancy to stop the body from attacking the child. We don’t know if it will target that amino acid string specifically but if that’s the vector the body uses to attack them all future pregnancies would either be impossible or extremely risky involving heavy immuno suppressant use.
Holy shit is this the bill gates "reduce the world population by 15%" magic bullet?
It'd be easier to just stop feeding Africa.
This shit is demoralizing. Finding a woman worth starting a family with was already hard enough but now most of them are going to be sterile too? Game over. Just give me a hot war to fight in already, maybe then I can at least find some meaning in death.
Oh no, people who want to have land, a family, and some meaning in life. How fucking terrible they are! Better to own nothing, leave no legacy, and consooooooom
Are you telling me you're such a weak man you are unable to raise your children to resist indoctrination?
Yeah, I'm getting a real: "Children of Thalidomide" vibe with these vaccines.
No if it was we wouldn’t know about it and as far as stands it’s only a chance that it would affect said amino acid string. There are far more efficient and guaranteed ways to sterilize a population this is just a wildly untested pr stunt so Biden can claim he beat covid.
I'm not saying I really believe it, its just fun to think about it.
But if I were a bond villian type evil megalomaniac who wanted to disrupt global reproduction, without getting personally blamed for it, then releasing an "untested" vaccine and denying knowing about the "side effects" when they show up afterwards sure does seem like a good way to go about it.
Why do that you have nearly infinite resources. Genetically engineered water born virus or bacteria distribute it to terrorist cells globally. No one could stop it.
Because he doesn't want to kill himself or someone he cares about. Widespread, uncontrollable viruses are not viable for population control. The elites need to change the population itself, hence the dna-altering vaccinations. The goal is billions of people genetically ear-marked for a targeted designer virus.
Because that's too fuckin' obvious man.
USA Today's FACT CHECK deboonked this claim. Thank goodness our honest media is on top of this.
Anyone else noticing the return to the correct name for covid? Sars cov 2.
They spend MONTHS avoiding calling it this, to avoid comparing it to sars cov 1, and to dig the nails in fear mongering and political points coring as covid 19.
Now enough people are self terrorising they can start using its proper name.
I think I just earned a bachelors degree in medical science from reading this.
If I can avoid it, I'm not taking it.
I'd say tell them that there's still a lot of debate on the vaccine's efficacy and they'll be fine to wait a year or so and wait to see the impact for themselves. Tell them they'll probably have to get a different vaccine in the future anyway, so let somebody else go first. Either people who genuinely need it should get it ahead of them, or other people can be the test subjects.
Take whichever approach would work best for them, but focus on reminding them that they know what's best for themselves more than anyone else:
One of those will probably be a compelling argument, but I wouldn't try and push it on them. Let them choose which of those arguments they'd like to rationalize as the reason they don't really want to take it.
Honestly, the risk is probably pretty minimal, the question is if the risk of COVID 19 itself is greater than the risk of the virus. Having had COVID 19 myself and having experienced basically no symptoms and no long term effects, I am staunchly against taking the vaccine myself. That said, if I were over 60, I'd be taking it, and the same reason I am not giving my grandparents crap as they take it now.
Agreed. I've had two whole peoplesay they had covid(according to tests). The first had no change in e ir daily life, not even a cough. The second had breathing issues very similar too ooh say pneumonia.
People who are less than 60 years of age have a survival rate of 99.5% if they catch the Chinavirus.
Does it make any sense to take a rushed experimental vaccine pushed by corrupt globalists for such a virus?
The Chinavirus vaccines should not be mandatory and people should be wary of taking anything the corrupt mainstream media and that the compromised CDC heavily pushes.
Try to persuade your relative of the potential side-effects of the vaccine.
Getting the vaccine now is like being a beta tester. Why not wait to see if there are issues and wait until all the issues are worked out?
For this case I would recommend the beta tester argument.
Normally vaccine development takes about four years. This vaccine development was done in less than a year. This is pretty rushed testing.
Ask them why not wait to see if it has long term side effects and wait until those issues are fixed?
This specific argument avoids accusations of conspiracy theories and focuses on the fact that this experimental vaccine has not been fully tested as rigorously as other vaccines.
If they are not in a high risk group, why should they rush to take this vaccine?
This basically, tell them rushed production, no studies of long term effects, over-hyped infections of corona and why take it now and not in a year after it's had more testing.
Good luck!
I hope they will see reason.
Here I thought you were going to say you're getting married...
Even if you did, you could always refuse.
You might get disowned or kicked out but even that would be better than being forced into a marriage.
They don't always stop there, if you've damaged the family honor enough the knives come out.
That depends on the religion of the parents in question.
Indian Hindus generally just disown and kick you out.
Muslims on the other hand will generally go much farther.
If they are in bad health, meaning fat, existing respiratory issues, etc. then I'd suggest they go for it. I think you know the people I mean, I'm not talking about an active person who's even moderately overweight. I mean the ones that would struggle to walk a mile down the street. It's pretty much gone through one side of my family totally now and those in that category 100% of them had to at least visit the ER for treatment, 3 were admitted, and 1 died. The rest of us? I think the worst symptoms was cold-like for a few days combined with about a week of taste/smell.
So I'd decide by thinking about actual risk vs vaccine risk. For me, I'm kicking the vaccine as far down the kerb as I can.
I took the vaccine. My house is next to my parents so I spend a lot of time with them. My job has me working with a lot of people. I didn't take it because of any fear I have, I took it to protect my parents. After the shot I felt a slight tingle in my arm, with soreness in the injection spot for about a day. No other symptoms. My parents also received it. I didn't do it for me, I did it for them.
Cause of the 10% chance the shit don't work.
Defense in depth. A vaccine does not have to be 100% effective on an individual level to be 100% effective in eradicating a disease, as long as it reduces the transmission rate below 1.
Supposedly most/all of the currently available SARS-Cov-2 vaccines are ineffective in preventing transmission, but are primarily used to minimize symptoms. If someone has more detailed information on which ones are intended for symptom minimization and which are intended for reduction in transmission feel free to share, but I have no intention of taking it myself and don't really need any further information to dissuade most of those I care about from avoiding the vaccines than pointing out the rushed approval process for this vaccine and that the nearest relative of this Virus (SARS-COV-1, or just SARS) hasn't had a vaccine developed yet despite having been around far longer.
No other immediately observable symptoms.
I can appreciate your sentiments there, but all the "official" lines seem to say that you wasted your time. After all (around here at least) even if you get the vaccine you still need to mask, you still need to socially distance, etc, etc. So, the people demanding you get the vaccine are saying the vaccine doesn't actually stop you from spreading it something isn't quite right.
I am not. Going to be a beta tester for this. No way. I am, however, surrounded by people screeching to get the vaccine. When it comes up, I tell people that there are far too many vulnerable and elderly people across the globe who need it much more than I, and I cannot in good conscience deprive someone else when my risk profile is so low. I don't know how long this excuse is going to work, but it has successfully made other people feel selfish. Pretty happy with the results so far.
I may have to steal this strategy. It seems effective.
Brilliant tactic. I want you on my team.
Ask them how many times they're expecting to have to take the vaccine. Remind them that the China Virus is a coronavirus type which pretty much means mass and common mutation. Already they've talked about multiple new strains from multiple countries. Just like a normal flu vaccine, this vaccine is "coded" for a single strain. And just like a flu vaccine, it isn't necessarily going to take. It's an untested specific vaccine for a heavily chaotic virus that will 100% mutate beyond the scope of said vaccine. Any potential protection is limited and temporary. The risks are mostly unknown, yet statements are already given by health organizations telling different groups of vulnerable people NOT to take the vaccine due to risks of complications. Basically, you're trading your continued freedom for a potential but unassured temporary safety.
Consider that if your family member is an ordinary person they'll think you're crazy if you express any skepticism about this thing. Also consider that if they didn't explicitly ask for your advice they may not want it and may be openly hostile to it.
After a WuFlu discussion with my parents turned into a rather heated argument I decided that I was done trying to advise them on this thing at all. No mention of prophylaxis, no vaccine skepticism, no lockdown skepticism, no mask skepticism, nothing. Because they won't listen to me about anything the TV has told them is bad, and all it does is damage our relationship.
At that point it becomes a risk management exercise: there's a much higher probability that if I express skepticism our relationship being so irreparably damaged that we cut each other out of our lives than the vaccine causing irreparable harm to them.
They took the vaccine (I don't know which one); fortunately they haven't suffered any side effects.
None of the vaccines are FDA approved.
None of the vaccines have been sufficiently tested by pre-covid standards.
All the drug companies have been granted total immunity from any responsibility for negative side effects.
The vaccine does not protect against other strains of the virus.
The vaccine does not guarantee that you will not catch the virus or spread it to others; you will still have to wear a mask and social distance.
If your relative wants to be injected with an experimental and only marginally effective vaccine that is not approved by the government's drug safety agency, and for which the manufacturer bears no responsibility, then I guess he or she can go right ahead.
My reasoning for not taking it is three-fold. First, development was rushed. There could be months long or year long side affects we just don't know about, an error due to the development pressure, corners cut. Second, I don't need it. I'll be fine, I'm a young male with no health issues and a solid mind. I'm at the bottom of the list because I'm likely holding the lowest chance of a bad case of Covid- let someone else take it, someone who is in danger. If your family member is in reasonably good health, saving a dose for someone who is in more danger than them could be good. Third, there will likely be a standardization at some point that most people will get, if you want it just wait till then.
If you're of the opinion that it's an inevitability that you'll be forced to take a vaccine to avoid repercussions in your country, then the Astra one is certainly the least risky. Working by a mechanism that has been well tested in the past, even if the target is novel, leaves a lot less room for unexpected outcomes.
I'm not of the opinion that there's any evidence of big side effects that are being suppressed, unlike the election there's no glaringly suspicious activity going on to raise red flags in the results as reported. Everyone's findings seem consistent to the usual degree. The fertility concerns are not exactly settled, but there's particular no red flags there either, it's simply a "well we haven't done much to disprove it, because of the timescales". A handful of people have given birth after the vaccine, and a handful have miscarried, and a handful of others have gotten pregnant, all in numbers too small to be conclusive but all in proportions that at least aren't alarming on the surface.
The virus probably won't do a healthy <60 y/o much harm, but neither will the Astra vaccine, most likely.
The other vaccines are mrna vaccines. You know the experimental vaccine type never before deployed in humans.
I haven't looked into the AstraZeneca vaccine much before this, so this is based on general knowledge, and a cursory glance. I've listed a number of scary things, but I can't say anything about the actual probability of anything bad happening. Uncertainty is definitely an issue with all of these vaccines, but that doesn't mean it may not be overall a benefit, just that there's risk.
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Some former vaccines have caused ADE (Antibody-Dependant Enhancement). This is where the antibodies produced increase the disease, and produce an extreme immune response when later exposed to the virus, or one similar to it. https://archive.vn/x9iiE
Trials are very important to prove the effectiveness, and check for any potential side effects (including ADE). None of the covid-19 vaccines have had close to enough duration of testing by standard measures. They are all rushed, and therefore any potential effects that will only show up / become obvious years later are not known. Otherwise, it's a matter of significance in how many people included in the study, how many actually became infected, what the included demographics were (and which weren't included), and what the general integrity of the measures used (was it double-blind, etc.) Here's a WIRED article that mentions a number of issues with the AstraZeneca trials https://archive.vn/esJMJ. I only took a quick glance, and like I said, I haven't looked into the AstraZeneca vaccine before (or its studies) so it's worth doing your own research on this. There are important problems with the trials. A cursory search shows different efficacy amounts (60-75%). Efficacy is the reduction of the disease in the most favorable conditions / best case scenario. The mRNA 'vaccines' efficacy seemed to be bullshit from what I could gather. I don't know enough to make a judgement call on this one. The duration of any immunity produced through the vaccine is also unknown, as is immunity from getting the virus normally.
The makers of all Sars Cov 2 vaccines are immune from liabilities. A senior executive at Astra, Ruud Dobber, said to Reuters, "This is a unique situation where we as a company simply cannot take the risk if in ... four years the vaccine is showing side effects."
The CDC has something called VAERS (The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) that you can look through. https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html This is a video of someone going through it: https://odysee.com/@AnonymousAficionado:9/trim.EF462943-C28E-45AA-B0DF-3DCE0CE832F4:0 In your case, you'd want to specify the AstraZeneca vaccine. These are not all cases of adverse reactions (potentially less than 1%), and cases without adverse reactions are obviously not included.
For your family member, their unique circumstances also matter. What is their exposure to the main virus, and variants? Do they have any health conditions that may make a potential infection more deadly? If they had former disease could it have left lasting damage in a related area (like the lungs)?
The CDC lists a weekly count of deaths related/unrelated to covid-19, and also comorbidities (table 3) for deaths listed as covid-19: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm Note that there are financial incentives for hospitals to list someone as having died of covid, so the belief that someone has covid, or a positive test for sars2 (that at least previously have been too sensitive - including those with too low amounts to have effect, or may have become immune by the time of the test).
There are also other things that can be done. Zinc seems to show a reduction in virus reproduction. UV can kill the virus, so letting sunlight in is good. There seems to be a correlation with lack of vitamin D and more severe infections, I don't know if there is a causation effect, but it's worth ensuring a proper amount anyway. There are also drugs like HQC that show positive signs in heavily reducing severity of infection if taken early enough. The lancet study that was used to discredit HQC was retracted https://archive.vn/esJMJ, and some doctors swear by drug, but he/she should talk to their own doctor about it, or other potential alternative drugs. Not trying to push HQC, it is just one of the drugs some doctors are using.
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This isn't an easy situation. You have my sympathy.
Look, the AstraZeneca vaccine IIRC uses older tech that has been used for other vaccines. You're vaccinated, aren't you? The science used for the vaccine is known. The ONLY unknown is the long term consequences of using these vaccines. And here's the thing - vaccines made with that tech are known, and unless you've started growing new limbs or gotten illnesses directly linked to those vaccines, these are probably much safer than the Moderna/Pfizer ones that were being pushed out the past two months. I refuse to take those vaccines because the tech has not been tested for long term use. Someone else can be the test subject. There's also a fourth vaccine being made by Johnson & Johnson that is very much like an old school vaccine as well. One dose, uses a "weakened" virus that your body attacks to create the antibodies to further stop infections. I refuse to take the Moderna/Pfizer ones because I already have issues with my immune system (I have seborrheic dermatitis and need Xyzal/Zyrtec to keep myself from breaking out into itches) - we don't know what these particular vaccines will do to immune systems because the tech itself is untested. Of all the vaccines you are at least somewhat safer with the AstraZeneca one, but I also understand your worry as well. I am going to wait for the J&J vaccine and wait about a year or two before even taking that one because we have ZERO idea as to what the long term consequences are of taking this. Leftists are trying to force vaccinations by saying "Well, it's better to get a vaccine and suffer side effects versus the known side effects of possibly getting COVID with long term symptoms/damage it can do." Well fuck, it sounds like with either case we're fucked, but I'll take my chances and wait for this to mature. I'm not gonna beta test a fucking vaccine.