GOPe has been a meat puppet for the Chamber of Commerce for over 30 years. Tom Donahoe is the chief lobbyist for same, and he has a lot of money to spread around.
The CoC wants cheap labor. Always has, always will, and has been the primary reason why the GOP has never done anything with illegal immigration since the 1990s, despite the Republican base wanting illegal immigration stopped since the 1980s.
This shit is why the RNC must be burned to the fucking ground, and the ashes salted where it once stood. I do not care if Dems get power for a while, because yes, they are going to make things really bad, but they have to get really bad for things to truly change.
I'd like to see some real effort put into building a new party. Accelerationism is a very treacherous gamble and is just going to get you gulaged if you don't have some alternative for people to pivot to. The desire for that pivot is quite clearly there, as evidenced by Trump's meteoric rise. The issue was that it was contained within the GOP, which was ultimately just a device to trap and squash any genuine attempt to salvage the nation. We need something outside the GOP so that once the GOP burns down people have somewhere to flock to, otherwise it's just a hundred years of darkness and famine as the commies take power and alternate between hunting Whites and cooking up Lysenkoism 2.0.
The word "faster" is relative. Your comment above is dismissing the negatives of losing even faster than we are currently.
It took an Obama to get a Trump
Seems like three steps back, two steps forward. And that is being charitable. The best outcomes of Trump at this point have been a massive swing in the Overton Window, but until that changes actual realities in the country, it's purely academic.
Do we think the country can survive an Obama 2.0 to get to a better result afterward? Maybe it could, but could it survive in a form where it's even able to be saved?
Seems like three steps back, two steps forward. And that is being charitable. The best outcomes of Trump at this point have been a massive swing in the Overton Window, but until that changes actual realities in the country, it's purely academic.
And? The republicans before Trump were all larger steps back across the board.
Do we think the country can survive an Obama 2.0 to get to a better result afterward? Maybe it could, but could it survive in a form where it's even able to be saved?
And your alternative is? If you’re really trying to claim republicans aren’t more than maybe, maybe a 5 year speed bump you’ve lost the plot.
And? The republicans before Trump were all larger steps back across the board.
That's a fair and valid observation. But I don't really think it's grounds for wanting things to get worse in an attempt to ride the pendulum's counterswing to a desirable location.
And your alternative is? If you’re really trying to claim republicans aren’t more than maybe, maybe a 5 year speed bump you’ve lost the plot.
The overton window shifts over the past decade have been very encouraging. I just personally don't think that accelerating off the cliff is worth the risk at this point, that's all there is to it. Staying the course and continuing to fight could result in a reversal occuring when the country is in a less-broken state than would be yielded by accelerating into oblivion and attempting to rise from the ashes.
What threshold is going to be crossed that sparks the Accelerationist's desired revolution? Why hasn't anything up until this point sparked that revolution already?
Without satisfactory answers to these questions Accelerationism is simply cheering your enemy on as they kill you.
You seem to have me confused with someone who gives a shit about Republicans. Burn the party to ash and build something new to replace it, but don't just gleefully promote your enemies into power and expect it to play out in any way at all other than you getting persecuted and your body dumped in a ditch. Have a fucking strategy other than "I hope everybody gets as mad as I am and does something."
Why hasn’t anything up to this point sparked them into any action whatsoever?
Because the Republican party is also your enemy, as I have been espousing for years now.
For us to "lose faster" would imply that we get a non-zero amount of wins under a Republican administration. We don't, so we are losing at the same rate either way. At least by accelerating, we will take the traitors in the GOP down with us.
As long as I get to see them hang before I do, I will call it a win.
The world isn't as simple as wins and losses. Reality isn't often that black and white. For example, is the current state of immigration, both legal and illegal, under the current administration a "win"? I wager we would both agree that it is not. But it is much much better than the numbers we had from 2021 to 2024.
As long as I get to see them hang before I do, I will call it a win
While this would provide a great degree of satisfaction, at this point I would settle for just fixing things for my descendants. Most routes involve methods like that but I can't be picky as long as the same ends are reached.
The Republican party has to DIE to clear the way for a better solution. As long as people keep electing Republicans we will keep getting liberalism at the speed limit.
I do agree that the GOP dying would be a great thing. But what does that look like in your mind? A third party coming up to fully supplant it? We would need much greater social control over the "conservative" movement to avoid an eternal purgatory where the GOP remains alive in a zombie state and we have total Dem control for decades.
From a demographic standpoint, any solution that takes decades seems like mission failed from my perspective.
From a demographic standpoint, any solution that takes decades seems like mission failed from my perspective.
Then support or non support of republicans is irrelevant. Because the repubs are going to demographically replace Whites with spics and patels, same as the dems. The only difference between them is who nominally opposes them.
I was never trying to imply that desiring accountability is accelerationism. It's pretty clear that the people in this thread are advocating for actual accelerationism, not just holding orange man's feet to the fire by comparing his promises to his actions.
Some people here may be, but the post you replied to was criticizing Republicans for not being good enough.
There is a marked difference between "I'm not voting Republican until they get their act together and actually offer me something" and "screw the GOP, I'm voting Dems so they make things worse and then we'll get something good".
This dilemma is real in Europe. The "center-right" (aka far-left) is slightly less bad on immigration, Merkel excepted, but they can also get more people to get along with their BS.
Not gonna say it's always a doomed methodology, but if not done in a specific way it will just result in losing even faster and more thoroughly. And you cheering it on the whole way.
My point is that people too easily think that if things just get a little worse, things will 'collapse'. Show 1/10 of what is happening today to someone living 50 years ago and he'd say that things would have collapsed a long time ago.
The US is already owned by jewish oligarchs, so the outcome can't be any worse than it already is. If my choice is between systematically genociding whites, or systematically genociding whites and jews, then buckle up Schlomo, because you're going down with me.
If my choice is between systematically genociding whites, or systematically genociding whites and jews
That’s not the choice what so ever. Kikes will escape the second it comes time to genocide anything, like they have every single time throughout history.
By giving these laborers citizenship, doesn’t that basically mean they will have the same labor rights as citizens? Wouldn’t that mean they would have to be paid more, resulting in the employer letting them go and finding more illegals to use for agricultural labor?
Also, illegals will lie and forge identification if needed, so how in the world would we actually verify this stuff?
I thought this might be fake. Turns out, it's not only real, but a shocking number of Republicans are cosponsoring it, including the guy who replaced Steve King.
Mr. Thompson of Pennsylvania (for himself, Mr. Davis of North Carolina,
Mr. Newhouse, Mr. Riley of New York, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Vicente Gonzalez
of Texas, Mr. Feenstra, Mr. Rouzer, Mr. Kelly of Mississippi, Ms. De La
Cruz, Ms. Maloy, Mr. Zinke, Mr. Langworthy, Mr. Baird, Mr. Smucker, Mr.
Sessions, Mrs. Fedorchak, Ms. Tenney, Mr. Rogers of Alabama, Mr. Kelly
of Pennsylvania, Mr. Meuser, Mr. Moolenaar, Mr. Evans of Colorado, Mr.
Wilson of South Carolina, Mr. Wittman, Mr. Kustoff, Mr. Edwards, Ms.
Lee of Florida, Mr. Taylor, Mr. Allen, Mrs. Fischbach, Mr. Huizenga,
Mr. Guthrie, Mr. Van Orden, Mr. Bacon, Mr. Flood, Mr. Austin Scott of
Georgia, Mr. Finstad, Ms. Salazar, Mr. Bentz, Mr. Valadao, Mr. McCaul,
Mr. Bost, Mr. Messmer, Mr. Downing, Mrs. Miller-Meeks, Mr. Jack, Mr.
LaHood, Mr. Moore of North Carolina, and Ms. Goodlander) introduced the
following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
We have visas for that job. And, that job also has a very high human trafficking rate. I have concerns that if the people who are forced here to do that type of labor just file a form to become legal then the human traffickers won't get caught.
Farm work is the ideal first job for young Americans.
It's physically demanding, teaching resilience and planning (bring a hat, water, etc).
A lot of the time you're paid for what you pick, teaching them to push if they want more money.
It's an, if not the, essential job that everyone relies on. They get to understand that the basis of the American way of life is hard work, as opposed to sitting in class rooms and expecting tons of money at the end.
Ban migrant workers, eliminate minimum wage for ag work, and create government programs to connect, transport, and house youths with farms.
If they’re willing to actually work and pay their taxes, I don’t give a fuck. I’ve been ghosted more times than not trying to get estimates with legitimate companies who tout no illegals than getting projects done that I can’t do by myself.
The reason society has collapsed so quickly during the boomer era is exactly because we started being an economy instead of a country in the 80s. This created the tyranny of the lowest common denominator.
But when people try to follow the law by hiring licensed and legal companies, they get shafted. I’ve contacted maybe 30 businesses/contractors that advertise they are on the up-and-up and got nothing but broken promises for quotes and false advertising.
I'm so sick of demons pretending not to understand incentives.
Fuck no, there's no point as we ALREADY have the tech to FULLY replace them with drone tractors, cultivators and seeding machines.
Only put them on temporary workers visas and subsidise further automation in agriculture.
GOPe has been a meat puppet for the Chamber of Commerce for over 30 years. Tom Donahoe is the chief lobbyist for same, and he has a lot of money to spread around.
The CoC wants cheap labor. Always has, always will, and has been the primary reason why the GOP has never done anything with illegal immigration since the 1990s, despite the Republican base wanting illegal immigration stopped since the 1980s.
This shit is why the RNC must be burned to the fucking ground, and the ashes salted where it once stood. I do not care if Dems get power for a while, because yes, they are going to make things really bad, but they have to get really bad for things to truly change.
Along with everyone in it.
I'd like to see some real effort put into building a new party. Accelerationism is a very treacherous gamble and is just going to get you gulaged if you don't have some alternative for people to pivot to. The desire for that pivot is quite clearly there, as evidenced by Trump's meteoric rise. The issue was that it was contained within the GOP, which was ultimately just a device to trap and squash any genuine attempt to salvage the nation. We need something outside the GOP so that once the GOP burns down people have somewhere to flock to, otherwise it's just a hundred years of darkness and famine as the commies take power and alternate between hunting Whites and cooking up Lysenkoism 2.0.
I've seen it happen several times now. First with Ross Perot, and then with the Tea Party, and now with the MAGA movement.
The GOP is not salvageable.
Another day another RINO continuing kalergi to replace young White men.
This is what the Republican party is. No "name only" about it.
The Republican party is your enemy. Full stop.
yes we should have had kamala and let 4 million walk over the border each year
“But the speed bump guys!”
Accelerationism is retarded in almost all cases. You just lose faster and with you cheering it on.
We’re already losing faster retard and most of that losing was done by republicans. It took an Obama to get a Trump.
The word "faster" is relative. Your comment above is dismissing the negatives of losing even faster than we are currently.
Seems like three steps back, two steps forward. And that is being charitable. The best outcomes of Trump at this point have been a massive swing in the Overton Window, but until that changes actual realities in the country, it's purely academic.
Do we think the country can survive an Obama 2.0 to get to a better result afterward? Maybe it could, but could it survive in a form where it's even able to be saved?
And? The republicans before Trump were all larger steps back across the board.
And your alternative is? If you’re really trying to claim republicans aren’t more than maybe, maybe a 5 year speed bump you’ve lost the plot.
That's a fair and valid observation. But I don't really think it's grounds for wanting things to get worse in an attempt to ride the pendulum's counterswing to a desirable location.
The overton window shifts over the past decade have been very encouraging. I just personally don't think that accelerating off the cliff is worth the risk at this point, that's all there is to it. Staying the course and continuing to fight could result in a reversal occuring when the country is in a less-broken state than would be yielded by accelerating into oblivion and attempting to rise from the ashes.
What threshold is going to be crossed that sparks the Accelerationist's desired revolution? Why hasn't anything up until this point sparked that revolution already?
Without satisfactory answers to these questions Accelerationism is simply cheering your enemy on as they kill you.
What safeguards have republicans provided? Why hasn’t anything up to this point sparked them into any action whatsoever?
Without satisfactory answers to these questions bending over for the GOP is simply cheering on your enemy as they kill you.
You seem to have me confused with someone who gives a shit about Republicans. Burn the party to ash and build something new to replace it, but don't just gleefully promote your enemies into power and expect it to play out in any way at all other than you getting persecuted and your body dumped in a ditch. Have a fucking strategy other than "I hope everybody gets as mad as I am and does something."
Because the Republican party is also your enemy, as I have been espousing for years now.
For us to "lose faster" would imply that we get a non-zero amount of wins under a Republican administration. We don't, so we are losing at the same rate either way. At least by accelerating, we will take the traitors in the GOP down with us.
As long as I get to see them hang before I do, I will call it a win.
The world isn't as simple as wins and losses. Reality isn't often that black and white. For example, is the current state of immigration, both legal and illegal, under the current administration a "win"? I wager we would both agree that it is not. But it is much much better than the numbers we had from 2021 to 2024.
While this would provide a great degree of satisfaction, at this point I would settle for just fixing things for my descendants. Most routes involve methods like that but I can't be picky as long as the same ends are reached.
The Republican party has to DIE to clear the way for a better solution. As long as people keep electing Republicans we will keep getting liberalism at the speed limit.
I do agree that the GOP dying would be a great thing. But what does that look like in your mind? A third party coming up to fully supplant it? We would need much greater social control over the "conservative" movement to avoid an eternal purgatory where the GOP remains alive in a zombie state and we have total Dem control for decades.
From a demographic standpoint, any solution that takes decades seems like mission failed from my perspective.
Then support or non support of republicans is irrelevant. Because the repubs are going to demographically replace Whites with spics and patels, same as the dems. The only difference between them is who nominally opposes them.
I agree that accelerationism is retarded. You better be very confident that there's an angel going to catch your car before you drive it off a cliff.
I disagree that trying to hold politicians accountable is accelerationism. They're going to take you for granted if you support them no matter what.
I was never trying to imply that desiring accountability is accelerationism. It's pretty clear that the people in this thread are advocating for actual accelerationism, not just holding orange man's feet to the fire by comparing his promises to his actions.
Some people here may be, but the post you replied to was criticizing Republicans for not being good enough.
There is a marked difference between "I'm not voting Republican until they get their act together and actually offer me something" and "screw the GOP, I'm voting Dems so they make things worse and then we'll get something good".
This dilemma is real in Europe. The "center-right" (aka far-left) is slightly less bad on immigration, Merkel excepted, but they can also get more people to get along with their BS.
Yes. Accelerate.
Not gonna say it's always a doomed methodology, but if not done in a specific way it will just result in losing even faster and more thoroughly. And you cheering it on the whole way.
This, losing faster has never been a valid strategy.
If the system is beyond reform, the only way to escape the system is for it to collapse.
So yes, "losing faster" is a valid strategy. See: the USSR.
How do you know it will 'collapse' rather than things just getting worse and worse and worse?
It's already just getting worse and worse and worse; what's your point?
My point is that people too easily think that if things just get a little worse, things will 'collapse'. Show 1/10 of what is happening today to someone living 50 years ago and he'd say that things would have collapsed a long time ago.
Russia is completely owned by jewish oligarchs. Thats in no way a desirable outcome.
The US is already owned by jewish oligarchs, so the outcome can't be any worse than it already is. If my choice is between systematically genociding whites, or systematically genociding whites and jews, then buckle up Schlomo, because you're going down with me.
That’s not the choice what so ever. Kikes will escape the second it comes time to genocide anything, like they have every single time throughout history.
What an idiotic plan.
And the USSR wasn't?
Interesting. It's almost as if passively waiting and doing nothing doesn't defeat your enemies.
And it was replaced by what?
Trump supports amnesty for farm and hotel illegals too retard. He endorsed gallrein, salazar and lawler whowrote the dignidad amnesty
By giving these laborers citizenship, doesn’t that basically mean they will have the same labor rights as citizens? Wouldn’t that mean they would have to be paid more, resulting in the employer letting them go and finding more illegals to use for agricultural labor?
Also, illegals will lie and forge identification if needed, so how in the world would we actually verify this stuff?
I thought this might be fake. Turns out, it's not only real, but a shocking number of Republicans are cosponsoring it, including the guy who replaced Steve King.
Mr. Thompson of Pennsylvania (for himself, Mr. Davis of North Carolina, Mr. Newhouse, Mr. Riley of New York, Mr. Simpson, Mr. Vicente Gonzalez of Texas, Mr. Feenstra, Mr. Rouzer, Mr. Kelly of Mississippi, Ms. De La Cruz, Ms. Maloy, Mr. Zinke, Mr. Langworthy, Mr. Baird, Mr. Smucker, Mr. Sessions, Mrs. Fedorchak, Ms. Tenney, Mr. Rogers of Alabama, Mr. Kelly of Pennsylvania, Mr. Meuser, Mr. Moolenaar, Mr. Evans of Colorado, Mr. Wilson of South Carolina, Mr. Wittman, Mr. Kustoff, Mr. Edwards, Ms. Lee of Florida, Mr. Taylor, Mr. Allen, Mrs. Fischbach, Mr. Huizenga, Mr. Guthrie, Mr. Van Orden, Mr. Bacon, Mr. Flood, Mr. Austin Scott of Georgia, Mr. Finstad, Ms. Salazar, Mr. Bentz, Mr. Valadao, Mr. McCaul, Mr. Bost, Mr. Messmer, Mr. Downing, Mrs. Miller-Meeks, Mr. Jack, Mr. LaHood, Mr. Moore of North Carolina, and Ms. Goodlander) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
We have visas for that job. And, that job also has a very high human trafficking rate. I have concerns that if the people who are forced here to do that type of labor just file a form to become legal then the human traffickers won't get caught.
Remember the Chinese people on the weed farms?
Farm work is the ideal first job for young Americans.
It's physically demanding, teaching resilience and planning (bring a hat, water, etc).
A lot of the time you're paid for what you pick, teaching them to push if they want more money.
It's an, if not the, essential job that everyone relies on. They get to understand that the basis of the American way of life is hard work, as opposed to sitting in class rooms and expecting tons of money at the end.
Ban migrant workers, eliminate minimum wage for ag work, and create government programs to connect, transport, and house youths with farms.
This is who they are. This is what they do. Nobody should be surprised by this.
You will not be allowed to vote your way out of foreign replacement.
no. 100 million must go.
I might get reamed and this is anecdotal…
If they’re willing to actually work and pay their taxes, I don’t give a fuck. I’ve been ghosted more times than not trying to get estimates with legitimate companies who tout no illegals than getting projects done that I can’t do by myself.
“I want an economy not a country!”
The reason society has collapsed so quickly during the boomer era is exactly because we started being an economy instead of a country in the 80s. This created the tyranny of the lowest common denominator.
But muh line go up! 'Murica!
But when people try to follow the law by hiring licensed and legal companies, they get shafted. I’ve contacted maybe 30 businesses/contractors that advertise they are on the up-and-up and got nothing but broken promises for quotes and false advertising.
Gay argument. And you like getting reamed.
Heard this shit for 40 years. No, they take more than they produce. And their kids are mostly loyal to their country of origin.
"Replpcement is okay if they pay so e tax!"