Yes...after gross incompetence with Windows 11 forcing people to adopt it and just how shit it was along with forcing AI integration, I'm sure Windows 12 will be FINE with all the Indians working on it...
I did last year and it has been great so far. Bottles was able to run all my important legacy windows apps, and proton has run almost every game. Heroic integrates with epic/gog and haven't had any issues there either. The biggest failure I've had is civ3, ended up having to put that in a virtual machine to play again.
Buy yourself a new SSD, swap with the windows drive and slap linux Mint on it. Worst case you can't stand it and now you have a new SSD. Best case, you're free of the trainwreck that is modern windows. Mint is one of the most windows-like distributions while still having an active forum and plenty of tech support / search results to cover issues you might run into.
It is hard to overstate how nice it is to have an OS that isn't constantly trying to steer me into ads or AI.
Seconded on Mint. Only actual distro that doesn't look like garbage.
(modern) Gnome UI is actually retarded for a desktop/laptop and KDE still looks chintzy.
I went with the other choice, Windows 10 IoT 2022 edition that has support until 2032 and none of the ads or AI. Massgrave (github.com/massgravel) to permanently activate it. Mostly because remote desktop is dog shit in linux.
My home media server is running linux, and it is set up to use RDP as I would remote into it with mstsc.
After the swap to Mint, I found the Remmina client to do the same job, still using RDP. I know there are other native linux solutions, but RDP was already set up on the server and Remmina has just kind of dropped in to replace mstsc for me.
Not a heavy use, but probably worth investigating next time you need a remote desktop client on a linux box.
Is it using hardware codecs? If not then it's useless.
On Windows I remote into my desktop from a laptop and get 60+ fps full screen even with a 10 year old Intel-graphics laptop that was $200 at the time. Every window open and DPI adjusted for the laptop.
Can't imagine open programs can resize for DPI in X11, maybe in Wayland.
Mac recently got hardware remote desktop, I think the holdup was UI scaling since they couldn't even get that working ok between multiple monitors with different DPI.
Mint is a somewhat conservative distro, which is part of why I went with it, but there are many distros that have aggressively embraced wayland already and honestly even a year from now I'd probably say pick one of those over Mint because it is going to be behind the curve on a newer component like that for quite some time.
Do it and don't look back. pretty much all windows games work on Linux now with proton, and the ones that don't are all live service slop. if you really want to play those games, get a separate bitch box to run windows.
As for applications:
LibreOffice: basically Microsoft office before it became shit in 2012. it just works.
Blender: 3D modeling software
Krita: digital painting and Photoshop replacement.
Heroic Launcher: GoG and Epic Games integration. also good for running games through proton if you don't want to use steam.
Yeah, that's my thoughts on the matter. I just need incentive to be bothered to change at the moment. Windows 11 works fine for me despite the complaints but subscription based will be the final nail for me.
I wish I understood how to run Qubes and Whonix together because that sounds pretty good but everytime I've tried I've given up before I could figure it out.
I might just go with Ubuntu and call it a day until I get comfortable enough with Linux to branch out.
it'll work fine, but I don't recommend it because it has telemetry just like Windows does. in many ways, this sort of defeats the purpose.
Linux mint will have all the same compatibility as Ubuntu, and you will be able to use the same commands as ubuntu when troubleshooting things.
there's also Pop_OS, which I personally recommend if you have Nvidia as it is supported and maintained by an actual company that sells Linux gaming computers.
I'm running Mint 22.1 with nvidia and haven't had any issues with it. Been using the drivers nvidia provides vs the open source ones, though. 3060ti, nothing incredible.
Here is my formula ----- first, don't use hardware with proprietary drivers like Nvidia and Broadcom. I like AMD.
Then, Debian 13 (Trixie Stable) installs and runs as smooth as silk. The install lets you pick which desktops you want to use. I like Debian because it doesn't try to be like Windows. I prefer it over Ubuntu now. It defaults to NOT using flatpak and snap etc. It uses .deb ---- the package system that God intended.
Do it and don't look back. pretty much all windows games work on Linux now with proton
People say this, but I assume they're pretty much exclusively referring to modern games or stuff on Steam that gets some non-zero level of support via Valve because of Steamdeck. How about ancient abandonware games coded up by some RPG enthusiast in their basement with no company or support to speak of where the only way to actually find the damn thing is to dig out the dust ridden zip disk I saved it to thirty years ago? Is that one going to magically just work because of Proton too?
I'm in the same boat. I've been meaning to try Linux and this will probably be what finally pushes me over the edge. I'm not subscribing to their SaaS slop.
Let’s pay monthly for a pseudo-OS that feeds me ads, eats my memory to give me ads, and records everything I do to give me more ads. Also, has enough security holes to make swiss cheese envious.
Strictly speaking, fake news. The article and interview in question states she never touched a WINDOWS computer in her life. She was an Apple zombie.
Still a rather odd choice if their decision criteria wasn't "who qualifies for DEI who will also give me 'favors'?", but rather "who is best for the job?". Good thing that wasn't the case, though!
Newbies need to be directed to a specific version ( ''distro'' ) or they see the list of dozens of Linux versions to choose from and give up.
95%+ of people want their computer to ''just work''. Linux can be a ''just build your own operating system bro'' for experts, or a ''I installed it and I can play my Steam games'' plug-and-play thing.
Short answer for a gaming PC :
Linux Bazzite, with KDE Plasma for a familiar desktop environment, in Desktop mode.
Bazzite is more locked-down than most Linux versions, so you are mostly prevented from accidentally fucking-up your system.
Games with kernel-level spyware ''anti-cheat'' won't work on Linux for security reasons ( the same reasons kernel-level anti-cheat should not be a thing allowed on Windows either...).
Old games that still run on Windows 11 might have to be run in a virtual machine on Linux.
I have not had the chance to try it ( it's for my next computer ), but it seems the most newbie-friedly pick.
I had already decided my next computer would be with Linux since you keep installing spyware and shovelcrap on my current cursed-with-Windows-11 laptop.
This article provides no sources so I was skeptical. The rest of the internet is saying it's fake news and PCWorld put a notice on their article saying it was translated from a German website and should never have been published.
Editor’s note: This article is a translation of a German article by PC-Welt. It does not meet PCWorld’s standards and should not have been published. The first version did not include any source links or attributions and was written in a way that suggested it was original reporting. It is not. We contacted PC-Welt and added sourcing after the initial publication. It still does not meet PCWorld’s publication standards, but we’re keeping the article live for the public record. We’re examining internal processes for PC-Welt and PCWorld alike to ensure a situation like this never happens again. I’m sorry. – Brad Chacos, PCWorld executive editor
This is the original source of the rumors, by the way.
I just actually read this thing and it's a rehash of a pc world article, which is a (going by the editor notes) a bad translation of a German site which should have never been posted because the information is most pulled from rumors. IE someone pulled it out their ass.
I’m not a computer person even slightly. I’ve been alive since 1980, I’ve never owned a PC or a laptop. My parents owned a PC when I lived there but I rarely used it for anything other than googling stupid shit and burning CD’s from Limewire back in the day. Is it just impossible for a bunch of White nerds to get together and build an operating system for PC’s that works properly and is user friendly? Is it too expensive to pull off? It seems like there are only a few options, and most people hate them all for one reason or another, especially windows. Just seems like some group of dudes would’ve got together by now and made the ultimate operating system, that gives its user the maximum amount of freedom, and is still very user friendly.
Yes...after gross incompetence with Windows 11 forcing people to adopt it and just how shit it was along with forcing AI integration, I'm sure Windows 12 will be FINE with all the Indians working on it...
Quick! Hurry up and adopt windows 11!!
Wait I mean hurry up and adopt windows 12.
Wait I mean 13!!
I'm already on Debian 13 ------ best Debian ever
I may finally switch to Linux if that's the case.
I did last year and it has been great so far. Bottles was able to run all my important legacy windows apps, and proton has run almost every game. Heroic integrates with epic/gog and haven't had any issues there either. The biggest failure I've had is civ3, ended up having to put that in a virtual machine to play again.
Buy yourself a new SSD, swap with the windows drive and slap linux Mint on it. Worst case you can't stand it and now you have a new SSD. Best case, you're free of the trainwreck that is modern windows. Mint is one of the most windows-like distributions while still having an active forum and plenty of tech support / search results to cover issues you might run into.
It is hard to overstate how nice it is to have an OS that isn't constantly trying to steer me into ads or AI.
Seconded on Mint. Only actual distro that doesn't look like garbage.
(modern) Gnome UI is actually retarded for a desktop/laptop and KDE still looks chintzy.
I went with the other choice, Windows 10 IoT 2022 edition that has support until 2032 and none of the ads or AI. Massgrave (github.com/massgravel) to permanently activate it. Mostly because remote desktop is dog shit in linux.
My home media server is running linux, and it is set up to use RDP as I would remote into it with mstsc.
After the swap to Mint, I found the Remmina client to do the same job, still using RDP. I know there are other native linux solutions, but RDP was already set up on the server and Remmina has just kind of dropped in to replace mstsc for me.
Not a heavy use, but probably worth investigating next time you need a remote desktop client on a linux box.
Is it using hardware codecs? If not then it's useless.
On Windows I remote into my desktop from a laptop and get 60+ fps full screen even with a 10 year old Intel-graphics laptop that was $200 at the time. Every window open and DPI adjusted for the laptop.
Yes to hardware encoding, but only on wayland. I'm still on Mint 22.1, so no wayland, and no hardware acceleration for me with Remmina.
I'll have to check it out in a year or so.
Can't imagine open programs can resize for DPI in X11, maybe in Wayland.
Mac recently got hardware remote desktop, I think the holdup was UI scaling since they couldn't even get that working ok between multiple monitors with different DPI.
X11 is historical cruft that is holding back the Linux desktop
Mint is a somewhat conservative distro, which is part of why I went with it, but there are many distros that have aggressively embraced wayland already and honestly even a year from now I'd probably say pick one of those over Mint because it is going to be behind the curve on a newer component like that for quite some time.
Do it and don't look back. pretty much all windows games work on Linux now with proton, and the ones that don't are all live service slop. if you really want to play those games, get a separate bitch box to run windows.
As for applications:
LibreOffice: basically Microsoft office before it became shit in 2012. it just works.
Blender: 3D modeling software
Krita: digital painting and Photoshop replacement.
Heroic Launcher: GoG and Epic Games integration. also good for running games through proton if you don't want to use steam.
Yeah, that's my thoughts on the matter. I just need incentive to be bothered to change at the moment. Windows 11 works fine for me despite the complaints but subscription based will be the final nail for me.
I wish I understood how to run Qubes and Whonix together because that sounds pretty good but everytime I've tried I've given up before I could figure it out.
I might just go with Ubuntu and call it a day until I get comfortable enough with Linux to branch out.
it'll work fine, but I don't recommend it because it has telemetry just like Windows does. in many ways, this sort of defeats the purpose.
Linux mint will have all the same compatibility as Ubuntu, and you will be able to use the same commands as ubuntu when troubleshooting things.
there's also Pop_OS, which I personally recommend if you have Nvidia as it is supported and maintained by an actual company that sells Linux gaming computers.
I'm running Mint 22.1 with nvidia and haven't had any issues with it. Been using the drivers nvidia provides vs the open source ones, though. 3060ti, nothing incredible.
Debian 13 on AMD hardware/graphics ---- smoothest Linux I've seen in 32 years of using Linux.
I'll be going AMD next time I buy a card. If us plebs are ever allowed to buy graphics cards again, that is.
If you say away from proprietary hardware it makes the upgrades as smooth as silk. No Nvidia ---- no Broadcom.
I'd probably use Fedora workstation if not Ubuntu.
Use no proprietary hardware, like Nvidia and Broadcom ---- install Debian 13.
Problem is ---- you are still left with that sucky Windows desktop.
Linux user for 32 years now.
Here is my formula ----- first, don't use hardware with proprietary drivers like Nvidia and Broadcom. I like AMD.
Then, Debian 13 (Trixie Stable) installs and runs as smooth as silk. The install lets you pick which desktops you want to use. I like Debian because it doesn't try to be like Windows. I prefer it over Ubuntu now. It defaults to NOT using flatpak and snap etc. It uses .deb ---- the package system that God intended.
People say this, but I assume they're pretty much exclusively referring to modern games or stuff on Steam that gets some non-zero level of support via Valve because of Steamdeck. How about ancient abandonware games coded up by some RPG enthusiast in their basement with no company or support to speak of where the only way to actually find the damn thing is to dig out the dust ridden zip disk I saved it to thirty years ago? Is that one going to magically just work because of Proton too?
My distro has better dos support than windows 11. XWing Alliance and Star Wars Pod Racer run without issue.
Also Affinity has big money backing from Canva. Works as a photothop alt and edits PDFs.
I switched after windows 11 announced the recall feature that screenshots your computer every 10 seconds
/plays lemon party on loop
Wouldn't be a Lemon party without old Dick!
I'm in the same boat. I've been meaning to try Linux and this will probably be what finally pushes me over the edge. I'm not subscribing to their SaaS slop.
it's basically been the same as windows since i don't do anything but browse on this laptop
Ultra slop
That's it, after 10 i'm going linux
Death to kikerosoft
Let’s pay monthly for a pseudo-OS that feeds me ads, eats my memory to give me ads, and records everything I do to give me more ads. Also, has enough security holes to make swiss cheese envious.
You won't own anything and you'll be unhappy.
The person who was spearheading windows 11 literally never touched a computer until they got the job.
It's no wonder AI is taking over. You got people who get the jobs who don't know shit from fuck, and they're running the fuck, and making it shit.
Strictly speaking, fake news. The article and interview in question states she never touched a WINDOWS computer in her life. She was an Apple zombie.
Still a rather odd choice if their decision criteria wasn't "who qualifies for DEI who will also give me 'favors'?", but rather "who is best for the job?". Good thing that wasn't the case, though!
Remember, if you get a code for Windows 12 - DO NOT REDEEM!
SAAR NEW UPDATE ENABLE SAAR, WE KINDLY DO THE NEEDFUL AND INSERTING COPILOT INTO EVERYTHING SAAR.
built-in backdoors so they won't even need to phone scam you
100 percent Pajeet coded!
Ah hell no. I’m old enough I remember when windows 10 was the LAST windows.
Guess they decided they need OS sales again.
Dat gonna be gud
Year of the Linux Desktop?
15th straight year running.
We're on at least year 20.
Newbies need to be directed to a specific version ( ''distro'' ) or they see the list of dozens of Linux versions to choose from and give up.
95%+ of people want their computer to ''just work''. Linux can be a ''just build your own operating system bro'' for experts, or a ''I installed it and I can play my Steam games'' plug-and-play thing.
Short answer for a gaming PC : Linux Bazzite, with KDE Plasma for a familiar desktop environment, in Desktop mode.
Bazzite is more locked-down than most Linux versions, so you are mostly prevented from accidentally fucking-up your system.
Games with kernel-level spyware ''anti-cheat'' won't work on Linux for security reasons ( the same reasons kernel-level anti-cheat should not be a thing allowed on Windows either...).
Old games that still run on Windows 11 might have to be run in a virtual machine on Linux.
I have not had the chance to try it ( it's for my next computer ), but it seems the most newbie-friedly pick.
This is going to be an absolute disaster. When I get a new PC one day I'm swapping to Linux.
You can stop, Microslop.
I had already decided my next computer would be with Linux since you keep installing spyware and shovelcrap on my current cursed-with-Windows-11 laptop.
This article provides no sources so I was skeptical. The rest of the internet is saying it's fake news and PCWorld put a notice on their article saying it was translated from a German website and should never have been published.
Thank you for this ray of hope. I'm going to cling to it until reality rains on my parade.
Wait, you're serious?
This is the original source of the rumors, by the way.
>fully modular
Module 1: Thing you need + thing you don't want
Module 2: Thing you don't want (this module cannot be disabled)
Module 3: Thing you didn't ask for (installed via dark patterns)
Module 4: Thing that slows your pc down (reinstalled automatically each update)
I remember when they said Windows 10 would be the final Windows ever released.
I just actually read this thing and it's a rehash of a pc world article, which is a (going by the editor notes) a bad translation of a German site which should have never been posted because the information is most pulled from rumors. IE someone pulled it out their ass.
Is this a joke?
gonna make windows 11 look good lol..
So, they're basically just reselling Windows 11 but worse? Just like how Windows 11 was just redesigned Windows 10 before they crammed in AI Crap
I’m not a computer person even slightly. I’ve been alive since 1980, I’ve never owned a PC or a laptop. My parents owned a PC when I lived there but I rarely used it for anything other than googling stupid shit and burning CD’s from Limewire back in the day. Is it just impossible for a bunch of White nerds to get together and build an operating system for PC’s that works properly and is user friendly? Is it too expensive to pull off? It seems like there are only a few options, and most people hate them all for one reason or another, especially windows. Just seems like some group of dudes would’ve got together by now and made the ultimate operating system, that gives its user the maximum amount of freedom, and is still very user friendly.
Linux. Lots of autistic nerds making OS distros.
Autistic nerds are not very good at that part, and the people who are usually charge money for their skills.