What is the point of building an audience on a site with all the voices if that site can delete you whenever they get a wild hair up their ass?
If you use these sites you need to go into it knowing from the very outset that your presence can be deleted at any point, without warning or recourse, and you better have another way to do what that site does set up in advance.
Bank to bank transfers are a thing. So are eChecks. You don't have to use Paypal to transfer money, Paypal just makes it easier.
Bank to bank transfers are a thing. So are eChecks. You don't have to use Paypal to transfer money, Paypal just makes it easier.
You might not care, but being on easy to use services makes all the difference. If Arch only accepted bank transfers from the beginning, he would be broke.
The problem is that there realistically aren't any alternatives.
Which is why people advocating to abandon everything and somehow survive on a barter system in the modern economy should be openly mocked. Solutions or GTFO at this point honestly.
This is why pulling the Credit Cards is really the only consumer based weapon that we have. Phone calls can be annoying, but taking our money out of their direct system is the best weapon that we have.
Not only this, but if you have no credit card and no debt (because you paid off your car and your house and any other loans and you have enough liquid assets to pay cash for everything), you have no credit rating. If you ever need to borrow for any reason, you'll be punished for being financially responsible. I use my Visa and pay it off immediately, because if I didn't I would never be eligible for a loan.
Remember Cody Wilson's attempt at a free speech version of Patreon? The one that allowed the Daily Stormer et al? They voluntarily banned one person in their entire history. One. Guess who? Step forward, Joshua Conner Moon, after Cody saw what Josh was hosting.
Instead of a list of things not to use, you need to be actively promoting whatever alternatives exist. Telling people "just stop engaging in the online economy and go live in the woods" isn't a solution.
Until such time as American Express and Discover hop on the bandwagon. Cash only works in-person and even that's becoming less frequent. Meanwhile Bitcoin is just a stock, it's not a functional currency by any stretch of the imagination.
The frequent "I am so unconcerned" forced chuckling was kind of annoying.
That said the whole debanking and banks deciding what people are allowed to spend their money on needs to be checked. I'm seldom a "there outta be a law" person but... There outta be a law. If it's legal to possess it should be legal to use your credit card or any other funding instrument to purchase it.
Stop using paypal. When they said they would fine people $2,500 dollars if they found them to be posting "anti-science things" a.k.a questioning the covid narrative I deleted my entire account. And they do not make it easy. You have to go through all these hopes to decouple them from your bank.
The company became evil. Stop using them and let them die.
They almost certainly used this video as the excuse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcBLC9z66tc
This is only going to end when the CEO's start ending.
Or if laws were applied properly. Racketeering and contract interference is a thing.
YET AGAIN a dissident voice is cancelled by a big tech service, because the FOOL KEPT USING IT.
I don't know how many times I need to say it, but STOP USING THE SERVICES OF YOUR ENEMIES.
Holy amazeballs does this make me want to tear my hair out......
Counterpoint: You never hear the voices that aren't on big tech services.
I know, but I don't flipping care.
What is the point of building an audience on a site with all the voices if that site can delete you whenever they get a wild hair up their ass?
If you use these sites you need to go into it knowing from the very outset that your presence can be deleted at any point, without warning or recourse, and you better have another way to do what that site does set up in advance.
Bank to bank transfers are a thing. So are eChecks. You don't have to use Paypal to transfer money, Paypal just makes it easier.
You might not care, but being on easy to use services makes all the difference. If Arch only accepted bank transfers from the beginning, he would be broke.
Now you know how I feel when I tell people not to use MasterCard.
Probably the worst target to select, he has Norway laws to stop them doing this easily, already highly paranoid (rightfully) and lots of connections.
If this is retribution for the calls,they've just increased them.
Whatever happened to bake the cake, bigot?
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Faggots are a 'protected class', right-leaning Norwegians are not.
The list of reasons not to use Paypal gets ever longer.
Luckily this ain't the 2000s anymore when Paypal was the only way to pay for stuff on the Internet.
Do not use:
This is a real problem, and you should start solving it now rather than waiting to see if you're next on the chopping block.
While I appreciate posts like these, it would be wonderful if people would actually post alternatives.
The problem is that there realistically aren't any alternatives.
That's the drum Josh Moon of Kiwifarms (completely debanked just like Fuentes) has been banging of late and for some time.
Every non-cash transaction goes through about six layers with multiple payment processors & gateways between you & your bank.
Each has their own ToS & each can capriciously deny service for any reason.
Josh's proposal is to lobby Congress to intervene, which is wishful thinking. But seems like some of the only people with the power to do anything.
Which is why people advocating to abandon everything and somehow survive on a barter system in the modern economy should be openly mocked. Solutions or GTFO at this point honestly.
There's cryptocurrencies, but hardly anyone uses them for trade.
This is why pulling the Credit Cards is really the only consumer based weapon that we have. Phone calls can be annoying, but taking our money out of their direct system is the best weapon that we have.
and the state makes using cash a problem either by threatening businesses or police literally stealing it off people.
Not only this, but if you have no credit card and no debt (because you paid off your car and your house and any other loans and you have enough liquid assets to pay cash for everything), you have no credit rating. If you ever need to borrow for any reason, you'll be punished for being financially responsible. I use my Visa and pay it off immediately, because if I didn't I would never be eligible for a loan.
this is why you can't stop using it.
They aren't inconveniencing you for no reason. They are inconveniencing you because they want you to stop.
I agree that debanking is a serious problem.
But, u/Benevolentdictator, Josh is the worst advocate free speech could ever have. Ever. Here is Josh giving an interview, talking about, in his own words, the time he willingly and knowingly hosted a child sexual abuse material board and how he thinks British people are weird for objecting.
Kiwifarms was also banned by Gandi.net and a number of hosting companies in multiple countries, all of who claim they found illegal CSAM images.
Then there was the time Josh boasted of hosting and sharing a video recording of a livestreamed mass shooting that claimed the lives of 51 people, along with the killer's terrorist manifesto.
Remember Cody Wilson's attempt at a free speech version of Patreon? The one that allowed the Daily Stormer et al? They voluntarily banned one person in their entire history. One. Guess who? Step forward, Joshua Conner Moon, after Cody saw what Josh was hosting.
I'm not going to relitigate the nebulous allegations that his critics always distract with.
I listened to the YT clip. It was very "When did you stop beating your wife?"
I don't know the context, but Josh uses the term "pedo" pretty loosely considering the weirdos his site mocks & archives.
If I had to guess, I'd speculate Null was referring to loli enjoyers on 8chan.
He has a huge disdain for those types even if it technically isn't illegal like he mentions in the clip.
It's the same it always is:
After that, if you were looking for content creation mechanisms, you might need to jerry-rig something around Subscribe Star
Instead of a list of things not to use, you need to be actively promoting whatever alternatives exist. Telling people "just stop engaging in the online economy and go live in the woods" isn't a solution.
That's why I brought up Cash, Bitcoin, American Express, and Discover elsewhere.
Right now, these are most of the realistic alternatives.
Until such time as American Express and Discover hop on the bandwagon. Cash only works in-person and even that's becoming less frequent. Meanwhile Bitcoin is just a stock, it's not a functional currency by any stretch of the imagination.
BitCoin is the closest to a functional currency when it comes to Crypto. Amex and Discover haven't hopped on the band-wagon.
I get that this could happen, but the issue is that you need to use these alternatives for them to work at all.
Smaller businesses use this piece of shit, so you may have no choice in that matter unless you just boycott all local businesses too.
Local businesses are a whole different ball game. Give 'em cash.
The frequent "I am so unconcerned" forced chuckling was kind of annoying.
That said the whole debanking and banks deciding what people are allowed to spend their money on needs to be checked. I'm seldom a "there outta be a law" person but... There outta be a law. If it's legal to possess it should be legal to use your credit card or any other funding instrument to purchase it.
Stop using paypal. When they said they would fine people $2,500 dollars if they found them to be posting "anti-science things" a.k.a questioning the covid narrative I deleted my entire account. And they do not make it easy. You have to go through all these hopes to decouple them from your bank.
The company became evil. Stop using them and let them die.
Wrongthink is doubleplus ungood, citizen.
eventually theyll fuck with the wrong person and that person will go luigi or marvin on the people that wronged him