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– Benevolentdictator 22 points 305 days ago +22 / -0

The problem is that there realistically aren't any alternatives.

That's the drum Josh Moon of Kiwifarms (completely debanked just like Fuentes) has been banging of late and for some time.

Every non-cash transaction goes through about six layers with multiple payment processors & gateways between you & your bank.

Each has their own ToS & each can capriciously deny service for any reason.

Josh's proposal is to lobby Congress to intervene, which is wishful thinking. But seems like some of the only people with the power to do anything.

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– MargarineMongoose 13 points 304 days ago +13 / -0

The problem is that there realistically aren't any alternatives.

Which is why people advocating to abandon everything and somehow survive on a barter system in the modern economy should be openly mocked. Solutions or GTFO at this point honestly.

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– lapalapa 1 point 304 days ago +1 / -0

There's cryptocurrencies, but hardly anyone uses them for trade.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 305 days ago +3 / -0

This is why pulling the Credit Cards is really the only consumer based weapon that we have. Phone calls can be annoying, but taking our money out of their direct system is the best weapon that we have.

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– RadiateTonight 9 points 304 days ago +9 / -0

and the state makes using cash a problem either by threatening businesses or police literally stealing it off people.

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– dagthegnome 10 points 304 days ago +10 / -0

Not only this, but if you have no credit card and no debt (because you paid off your car and your house and any other loans and you have enough liquid assets to pay cash for everything), you have no credit rating. If you ever need to borrow for any reason, you'll be punished for being financially responsible. I use my Visa and pay it off immediately, because if I didn't I would never be eligible for a loan.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 304 days ago +2 / -0

this is why you can't stop using it.

They aren't inconveniencing you for no reason. They are inconveniencing you because they want you to stop.

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– Vordrak 1 point 302 days ago +1 / -0

I agree that debanking is a serious problem.

But, u/Benevolentdictator, Josh is the worst advocate free speech could ever have. Ever. Here is Josh giving an interview, talking about, in his own words, the time he willingly and knowingly hosted a child sexual abuse material board and how he thinks British people are weird for objecting.

Kiwifarms was also banned by Gandi.net and a number of hosting companies in multiple countries, all of who claim they found illegal CSAM images.

Then there was the time Josh boasted of hosting and sharing a video recording of a livestreamed mass shooting that claimed the lives of 51 people, along with the killer's terrorist manifesto.

Remember Cody Wilson's attempt at a free speech version of Patreon? The one that allowed the Daily Stormer et al? They voluntarily banned one person in their entire history. One. Guess who? Step forward, Joshua Conner Moon, after Cody saw what Josh was hosting.

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– Benevolentdictator 1 point 302 days ago +1 / -0

I'm not going to relitigate the nebulous allegations that his critics always distract with.

I listened to the YT clip. It was very "When did you stop beating your wife?"

I don't know the context, but Josh uses the term "pedo" pretty loosely considering the weirdos his site mocks & archives.

If I had to guess, I'd speculate Null was referring to loli enjoyers on 8chan.

He has a huge disdain for those types even if it technically isn't illegal like he mentions in the clip.

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