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posted 323 days ago by TheOpiner 323 days ago by TheOpiner +111 / -0
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– Gizortnik 7 points 323 days ago +7 / -0

Do not use:

  • Strype
  • Paypal
  • MasterCard
  • Visa

This is a real problem, and you should start solving it now rather than waiting to see if you're next on the chopping block.

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– RaisingPhoenix 19 points 323 days ago +19 / -0

While I appreciate posts like these, it would be wonderful if people would actually post alternatives.

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– Benevolentdictator 22 points 323 days ago +22 / -0

The problem is that there realistically aren't any alternatives.

That's the drum Josh Moon of Kiwifarms (completely debanked just like Fuentes) has been banging of late and for some time.

Every non-cash transaction goes through about six layers with multiple payment processors & gateways between you & your bank.

Each has their own ToS & each can capriciously deny service for any reason.

Josh's proposal is to lobby Congress to intervene, which is wishful thinking. But seems like some of the only people with the power to do anything.

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– MargarineMongoose 13 points 323 days ago +13 / -0

The problem is that there realistically aren't any alternatives.

Which is why people advocating to abandon everything and somehow survive on a barter system in the modern economy should be openly mocked. Solutions or GTFO at this point honestly.

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– lapalapa 1 point 322 days ago +1 / -0

There's cryptocurrencies, but hardly anyone uses them for trade.

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– Gizortnik 3 points 323 days ago +3 / -0

This is why pulling the Credit Cards is really the only consumer based weapon that we have. Phone calls can be annoying, but taking our money out of their direct system is the best weapon that we have.

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– RadiateTonight 9 points 323 days ago +9 / -0

and the state makes using cash a problem either by threatening businesses or police literally stealing it off people.

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– Vordrak 1 point 320 days ago +1 / -0

I agree that debanking is a serious problem.

But, u/Benevolentdictator, Josh is the worst advocate free speech could ever have. Ever. Here is Josh giving an interview, talking about, in his own words, the time he willingly and knowingly hosted a child sexual abuse material board and how he thinks British people are weird for objecting.

Kiwifarms was also banned by Gandi.net and a number of hosting companies in multiple countries, all of who claim they found illegal CSAM images.

Then there was the time Josh boasted of hosting and sharing a video recording of a livestreamed mass shooting that claimed the lives of 51 people, along with the killer's terrorist manifesto.

Remember Cody Wilson's attempt at a free speech version of Patreon? The one that allowed the Daily Stormer et al? They voluntarily banned one person in their entire history. One. Guess who? Step forward, Joshua Conner Moon, after Cody saw what Josh was hosting.

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– Benevolentdictator 1 point 320 days ago +1 / -0

I'm not going to relitigate the nebulous allegations that his critics always distract with.

I listened to the YT clip. It was very "When did you stop beating your wife?"

I don't know the context, but Josh uses the term "pedo" pretty loosely considering the weirdos his site mocks & archives.

If I had to guess, I'd speculate Null was referring to loli enjoyers on 8chan.

He has a huge disdain for those types even if it technically isn't illegal like he mentions in the clip.

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– Gizortnik 4 points 323 days ago +4 / -0

It's the same it always is:

  • Discover
  • American Express
  • BitCoin

After that, if you were looking for content creation mechanisms, you might need to jerry-rig something around Subscribe Star

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– MargarineMongoose 5 points 323 days ago +5 / -0

Instead of a list of things not to use, you need to be actively promoting whatever alternatives exist. Telling people "just stop engaging in the online economy and go live in the woods" isn't a solution.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 323 days ago +2 / -0

That's why I brought up Cash, Bitcoin, American Express, and Discover elsewhere.

Right now, these are most of the realistic alternatives.

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– MargarineMongoose 5 points 323 days ago +5 / -0

Until such time as American Express and Discover hop on the bandwagon. Cash only works in-person and even that's becoming less frequent. Meanwhile Bitcoin is just a stock, it's not a functional currency by any stretch of the imagination.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 322 days ago +2 / -0

BitCoin is the closest to a functional currency when it comes to Crypto. Amex and Discover haven't hopped on the band-wagon.

I get that this could happen, but the issue is that you need to use these alternatives for them to work at all.

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– RachelkillsBam 5 points 323 days ago +5 / -0

Strype Stripe

Smaller businesses use this piece of shit, so you may have no choice in that matter unless you just boycott all local businesses too.

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– Gizortnik 4 points 323 days ago +4 / -0

Local businesses are a whole different ball game. Give 'em cash.

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