Trump has 100% entered the war
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God fucking dammit is there no one in that God forsaken generation that can take the Israeli cock out of their mouth?
How fucking hard is it to not invade another desert shit hole at Israel's behest?
I think they’re desperate to get this done now because they know their holocaust card expires with the boomers.
This. I already see this now even with Gen X & Millenials. We’ve fought TWO wars in 35 years in that shithole and we’re collectively done with Israel.
At the rate they're going they'll end up renewing said card.
On top of the downside of an actual war, if Trump drags us into another stupid ass middle eastern war he's going to lose a huge chunk of his supporters and we can pretty much count on a government full of lefties for a long time coming. We don't need to be involved. Let them shoot their damn missiles at each other on their own accord.
Yeah, this would guarantee flipping congress in the midterms.
Respectfully, I would disagree. The needle won't move much, and the reason is that the duality of US politics is that the voter [presumptively] chooses between a party containing literal marxist communists leveraging the mentally ill for their dirty deeds, and a party containing losers that can't figure out which direction to run when they're holding the football, those voting against democrats are not going to change their minds about that.
Plus, voters (the non-fraudulent ones anyway) are retarded in general. Unless this turns into some protracted conflict, they're not going to remember Iran Month when they belly up to the polling booth in November 2026. They will be sufficiently distracted with whatever bullshit was pushed that summer.
I respectfully disagree, all my friends, my family, my coworkers have lost love for trump we have been around since 2016 and realized he lied out his ass.
Anyone who aligns with the synagogue of satan is already damned.
What's the closest American asset that could get hit? A carrier?
The closest American asset is going to be an American plane dropping bombs on Iran.
Lol good luck selling "Iran shoots F-35 bombing it" as some kind of casus belli
I thought about this yesterday. I can't wait for one of their "oh, no we are so sorry we really tried to stop that missile from getting thru to your aircraft carrier" while they totally sit around and do nothing.
Maybe the nimitz that was set for decom next month. This will be blown up mark my words
There are US bases in Iraq that are really vulnerable to missiles.
I'm guessing we're flying jets over their airspace and daring them to fire at us. Even though it's a blatant act of war on our part, the media will never report it that way.
I can't imagine anything that will obliterate Trump's support on the America First right faster than invading another Middle Eastern country and liquidating the Mountain West to private developers to build more jeet favelas.
Honeymoon over.
Well, never trust a merchant to lead.
Are boots on the ground? No.
I used to think this site was a little smarter than reddit. This past few days i think you're all just as retarded as the site we broke off to.
Also kia2 and its glaring lack of video game news when half kia is still more useful despite its mods frequent topic bans.
Trump is literally demanding unconditional surrender from Iran, and is using the term "we" when describing the military situation.
Who is we ? I thought israel was at war?????
exactly
I guess Iran and Israel aren't at war after all. They're just lobbing missiles and drones at each other but have no actual boots on the ground in enemy territory.
By that logic. We should just keep letting houthis attack our ships?
I'm not sure what is confusing you.
Houthis firing on your ships = an act of war. Justifies self-defense.
Iran sitting around = not an act of war. Does not justify a war of aggression.
They only attacked our ships because we were supporting Israel against Gaza. They stopped when Israel and Hamas had an active ceasefire.
We also lost three F/A-18s which illustrates the risks in engaging, even if it's not "boots on the ground."
Huh?
Defending the country doing the attacking by giving them bombs, planes, logistics, information, protection while that country is blowing ppl up in and of itself is an act of war. Stop being a warpig your frothing at the mouth.
I'm gonna assume that wasn't meant for me.
Why u complaining? We're just bombing a defenseless population. No boots on the ground! Only their people get killed.
Cause last time we did this jews shipped 20 million Muslims to the western world. How's France? How's the uk?
“Pffft you guys aren’t mindlessly supporting Israel? You’re no better than Reddit.”
We are the vast majority of MAGA. You’re the one who wandered down the wrong alley, retard.
I understand your frustration, but this point is kind of splitting hairs. Assuming we do commit to doing the actual bombing raids, that probably means pilots in bombers, which carries a risk of them being shot down and killed or captured. (even if we have air dominance, it's not necessarily 100% all the time) I consider that entering the war. I hope it's only a quick strike and not a prolonged campaign. I wouldn't care much if it was only missile and drone attacks.
We have refueling planes supporting Israeli operated American made f35s. We are blowing up missiles. We are providing missiles for Israel along with information about who to attack. We are providing ammo. There are no hairs to split We are at war and trump lied to the American ppl
You may have misread my comment. I'm simply saying that a conclusion of "Boots aren't on the ground" = "we aren't at war" is splitting hairs, apropos of nothing else. Beyond the other things you mentioned this would be a particularly insignificant distinction if you take into account what the American people who voted for Trump care about. (our soldiers not getting killed)
“Pffft you guys aren’t mindlessly supporting Israel? You’re no better than Reddit.”
We are the vast majority of MAGA. You’re the one who wandered down the wrong alley, retard.
God dammit Trump.
A silver lining is that, if this goes how the article makes it appear, it would be a very quick in and out.
Like the quick in and out in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria?
That's the red line in the sand for Trump's base. We are not doing another one of those.
I know, it looks grim.
a man can still dream though
It's not impossible. While of course seems very different now, Trump dropped a MOAB on Syria and assassinated Iranian generals during his first term.
The situation looks more grim of course but there is still a sliver of a chance it is very short term to bring about a desired result.
Keeping up the pressure to let him know the response from his base is overwhelmingly negative with regards to a conflict with Iran is the only thing that could move the needle. Dooming and glooming while this is far from over and decided does not help anyone.
Not directing that at you, just have seen a lot of it around.
EDIT: about an hour ago, Lindsay Graham was urging Trump to "be all in to help Israel." I really think, despite how bad it looks, that this is far from decided. The only person who knows what Trump will do at this point is Trump himself.
It will all be "over by Christmas" and they'll be home "before the leaves fall".
And we will find those weapons of mass destruction
It is easier to start wars than to end them.
As soon as he 'enters', Iran will strike at American soldiers. This will activate American patriotism, because in a war situation, no one's going to consider "well, of course they're going to attack us when we attack them". That might quickly lead to mission creep.
Huh ????? Are you retarded. No one thinks like this. They will blame the jews, rightfully and protests will start Maga will fall. We want no more foreign wars.
If only americans weren't complete cattle
I think American patriotism is on serious life support. Most American patriots want our military to be securing the border and wiping out drug cartels, not doing regime change on the other side of the world for Israel.
Mostly because America is full of foreigners now. The actual Americans will still be susceptible to the old trap, though hopefully not as much as the last time it was sprung.
Has any war in the middle east been a quick in and out? Desert storm.... how did that turn out long term lol
I hope that in the wake of this all, we'll get the Shah back in Iran. Unless we get a pro-USA regime Iran will still be a threat.
At this point, I'm wondering if Trump is fucking with everyone on his Twitter as a mechanism to try and pressure the Iranians to make a deal.
If he wanted a deal, he probably shouldn't kill the negotiators and then joke and brag about it.
Honestly, that depends.
If specific negotiators are going to be hardliners that will stop peace attempts, then killing them to make a deal is a ruthless strategy.
I wouldn't put it past him.
Back towards the end of Trump 1.0 the Iranians got a bit uppity at one point, and his response was to promise them "fire and fury like the world has never seen"
I always figured he would do a Op. Praying Mantis 2. Just without the "proportional" bit. Or maybe do to the leadership what he threatened the Taliban leadership with when he did IRL Twitter front door posting by giving them pics of their own houses.
That was in response to N. Korea
Not a good move unless this is some REALLY backroom deal to secure Iranian skies so Israel can't fire strikes no more with America in the way.
Too much of the MAGA base and those within the administration don't want ANY war so unless there is no further escalation from this, he risks losing HEAVY support come midterms.
"unless this is some REALLY backroom deal to secure Iranian skies so Israel can't fire strikes no more with America in the way."
This is a horrible idea, as much as I don't want a war with Iran, a war with Iran AND Israel is certainly worse.
Let Israel and Iran fire their missiles to their hearts content and stay out of it.
That's close to something I was thinking. The only real possible solution has to include telling Israel they are going to sit down and shut the fuck up.
My answer would actually be, okay we will go make sure Iran has no nukes. Your cost? Give us all of yours and denuclearize as well.
good thing there isn't anywhere for Iran to buy high level USA equipment that was just left there!
Time to get really hysterical, scream a lot, and discourage just enough people from voting Republican to pave the way for AOC in 2028.