Massie thinks we shouldnt spend so much to deport people
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Maybe use some of the DoD budget to deport, after all it seems like an invasion.
Massie and Rand Paul are pretty retarded about this, to the point where it makes me question what they think about the Great Replacement.
If the right wing had undisputed control over the country, yes, we can look at efficiency. Until then I'll be happy with whatever makes the wall ten feet taller.
Libertarians eagerly join forces with leftists the moment you try to fund anything other than communism.
Libertarians have an extremely retarded take on immigration, and equally retarded takes on how to 'fix the issue'.
I've seen them argue along the lines of 'Well, let them come in, but they have no access to any government-funded resource', and I can only stare agog, because they're either really fucking stupid in thinking that would ever work and people would allow it, or they're actively hostile and think this would actually convince others.
Then you have Bryan Caplan, who actively admits he's lying to get more people in, is actively hostile toward his opponents, and lives in an extremely wealthy gated community. My opinion on him would likely violate several rules on this forum.
This has been tried and it passed in California with 60% of the vote only 30 years ago. The courts struck it down and the demographics of the state were remade into what you see today.
This, I actually did not know. Saved.
California seems to be a marvelous example of why 'Ruling from the Bench' is such a horrendous idea.
It works if you have the foresight to bring in the bench that will suppport you in the future.
The reason why Trump is getting shit done was because he was quietly appointing federal judges that rule in his favor during his 2016 term. That allowed him to come back in 2024 to have the mandate from all three branches of power to get some shit done.
I don't like it either, but defense of the nation takes precedence, even over the budget.
Hell, if we're concerned about budgeting we can still use voluntarism. If we want to fund more deportations, let's copy the old War Bonds scheme, and start Deportation Bonds!
Libertarians will defend their principles even it gets them killed.
Lolbertarians' biggest problems is that they don't understand what it means to collectivize and group together to stop an existential threat.
Lolbertarians will continue to claim they're defending their principles even until the very mob and cartels are knocking at their door to murder them and take their property.
Someone who was arguing with some lolbertarians on another site I go to basically said lolbertarians have this inability to see who the friend vs enemy are. They think in such a utilitarian fashion that their allegiance switches if their principles are violated, to a point where they're unreliable for any kind of political movement. They let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and they don't understand how important it is to have a strong cohesive nation with strong border control if they want their little lolbertarian paradise to even exist.
Bet this asshole thinks 4 billion for the wall is bankrupting our country. That 4 billion 8 years ago wouldve saved us a lot more money.
"A stitch in time" and all that.
Why would I care what happens to my country when it is no longer my country?
Deporting illegal aliens wouldn't take bankrupting the country if big L Libertarians and squish republicans didn't join forces with the democrats for open border nonsense over the last 35 years.
What if libertarians weren't so fucking retarded when it comes to immigration and national sovereignty?
We could rebuild the Warwolf trebuchet and use that to deport people.
..but apparently that's 'against the Geneva convention', bloody spoilsports! /s
I would love to get a discount on deportations to save some money, but if they aren't on sale at the moment, we still need to buy every single one thats in stock.
What the fuck do we pay taxes for if every government operation that behooves the native population is deemed too expensive. Why pay these agencies if they can't do their fucking jobs
Fine, increase the fine for employing illegal migrants from $375-2000, to something more proportional to the damage they cause divided by the historical chance of being caught, and maybe we won't have to.
Over their lifetimes the usually use 100000 to 200000 in unpaid medical care, divide that by (number of deportations per year /the current (frankly lowball) estimates of 11 million immigrants), and you have you have you new sane(and frankly lenient) minimum fine
100000 / (36000 / 11,000,000) = $3.055 million per offense.
about 8000 times higher than the current fine.
Edit: and make the fine for leasing and lending to them to.
Wonder if the cheap solution is also permanent?
The high and mighty libertarian group never look at the big picture. Spending money deporting trash means you don't have to pay for the medical bills of said trash. Easy math
I agree. Shooting invaders is much cheaper than sending them home.
First, we're going to go bankrupt regardless. And not because we're spending 100 billion to save 600 billion in the long run.
Secondly, we can be a bit smarter about it.
Escrow all "remittances" and if you can't prove you're here legally we use the money to pay for your trip home.
Same thing with businesses that hire illegals and submit fraudulent info. Perp walk the CEO and HR minions and fine the company to pay for the deportation.
Thirdly, Thomas Massie (and Rand Paul) are callow ponces.
I totally agree.
We should cut more funding to Universities to increase border spending.
In fact, if we abolish public education, we could do a lot better! But is it practical Tom?
Need to take advantage of volume pricing.
Hilarious, he can face the wall with the rest of the enemies of this nation. Anyone who isn't on board with mass deportation is an active enemy of the USA. Change my fucking mind.
deportation is retarded. they just come back. throw the employers in prison and executed any illegal who has committed any addition crime.
Use the army. They are paied to work for the country already.
I agree with him. Any solutions I have to this problem would fall under rule 2 and would make the janny unhappy.
Can we all agree on the sunk cost fallacy
If he's saying deporting them costs too much & it should stop? He's an idiot.
If he's agreeing with Trump that mass hearings & bulk deportation is good? He's smart.
I say they're both wrong: turning illegals into cat food costs WAY less and gives us yummy cat food to boot! 😊 Start with the criminals and next comes those too stupid to leave on their own.
But we should house and feed them for life? Did he flunk economics?
He's absolutely right. We should start using cruise missiles.
I agree, we should stop these judges from spending more money on trails.