A reminder, the Waco massacre was caused by Hillary Clinton. Ol' Bill decided to try and shut her up for a while by letting her pick the Attorney General for his admin. Hillary decided muh first female AG despite plenty of distrust that a female would be able to do the job, and Reno was put in place.
Reno ordered the FBI to torch 70+ innocent people after the ATF got their asses handed to them by the Branch Davidians. Because she wanted to look tough.
All those people died for the sake of girlbossing.
I remember it vividly.
The first AG ended up having a shit-load of provable "issues". Not the least of which was knowingly hiring illegals. She then tried to blame her husbando "he takes care of the yardwork" and even the feministas dropped her.
The second AG pick? Bill interviewed her for 15 minutes. Hillary for 2+ hours. WHY is the "First Lady" even interviewing such nominees? Hummm.
Hillary didn't like her politics, so suddenly she too had "illegal hires" and got dumped.
I don't think that Hillary Clinton is to blame more than Janet Reno herself. The FBI was used very aggressively in the 90's against Right-Wing targets, in what I believe to be a reprisal for the Establishment-Right's aggression against Leftist terrorism in the 70's. (Black Panther assassinations, BLA prosecutions, Siege at Wounded Knee, MOVE Siege/Bombing, Attica Prison Riot Massacre, Alcatraz Siege, Sterling Hall Bombing, FBI crackdown on bank roberies (which was a primary form of funding for Leftist Terrorism. See: Symbionese Liberation Army))
That being said, I've not seen any significant evidence that the FBI HRT teams intentionally started the blaze. It seems likely that the fire started somehow from the FBI's actions, most likely from the military-grade CS cannisters that were likely to cause fires, or from electrical sparks from the damaged building that was being pulverized to pump in CS gas.
It seems like the Branch Dividians had gasoline, but I can't tell you for sure whether it was in storage or being intentionally used to accelerate the fire. More-over, the shoddy construction of the large building on the compound was already a tinderbox waiting to happen, which explains why so few people could have gotten out, even if they were trying. I haven't seen much in the way of strong evidence that they intentionally started or accelerated the blaze.
The use of the CS cannisters to deniably cause fires is a known tactic of jackboot faggots in law enforcement. During the incident with the rogue cop going cop killer in LA the police were overheard referring to them as "burners" during a siege of a house Dorner holed up in. They knew what would happen if they were used at scale.
Didn't they literally drive a tank into the building while throwing explosives into it in 40 MPH winds? I seem to remember that.
Remember "Move" in Philadelphia?500 police descended on their townhouse at 5:35 AM. They fired 10,000 rounds at the building, knowing there were children inside. Then they fire-bombed it...
It's not a known tactic. Every time I've seen the police use explosives or incendiary weapons, it was deliberate, intentional, and with specialized equipment designed to deliberately explode or burn.
When the Philadelphia PD dropped an incendiary device on the MOVE building to break the siege, it was not an accident. It was a purpose-built incendiary bomb. When the Dallas PD blew up the BLM active shooter, they used C4 and one of their robots.
As for Donner, while they know it can cause a fire, it's not a guarantee that it will cause a fire. And you'll notice that Donner got 7 canisters, while the Branch Davidians had gallons of CS gas perpetually pumped in over hours. If you're trying to start a fire, you want to do it quickly, not eventually. Especially if you think you will encounter gunfire.
He never had a chance of anything better than what he got. The government made him an "example" to try and get one over on Elohim City and the various other "white identity" movements that were surging in power at the time, and I'm sure you don't need three guesses to know why they were.
I don't believe in the theory that he was being used by these groups as a patsy/weapon, but he certainly had connections to them and they wanted to scare these guys into not operating in the open as much as they were.
Probably because they knew if white guys found out they had options instead of being forced to bend over and deal with all the niggers, women, Jews and other malcontents in America they'd be facing legitimate resistance soon. Which is also why these groups don't get mentioned at all when most people talk about it.
Absolutely. The actions at Ruby Ridge were so evil, it forfeits the lives of all federal employees at any level and their families. And if you think that's hyperbole, you don't grasp just how evil RR was.
That said, better than even odds OKC was also a fed op. You got that it was an archive of evidence against the Clinton administration, McVeigh's shady connections in government, and that Air Force investigator concluding that truck bombs can barely break windows, let alone sever concrete columns. It's a choose your own adventure of government nonsense.
That said, better than even odds OKC was also a fed op
I think this call comes down to how much you think the Feds had already infiltrated and were controlling all the various "white nationalist, christian identity" groups McVeigh was also connected to. These days that chance would be 100%, but in the 90s I think some of those were still popping up organically.
The sheer lack of talk regarding them, compared to known Fed groups like the KKK or even the modern Proud Boys, makes me lean into those being sincere groups. Otherwise the media and the government would have brought indignant rage upon them ever since.
And I don't bring them up as some vague "evil group of terrorists" like so many would, only just as guys that existed who had legitimate beef with the government and were likely to plan such an action.
I think McVeigh is the hardest element to get a clear read on. The nature of truck bombs is what sells me on feds. His design results in most of the force going up, not out. Even with 10x the volume, a fertilizer bomb is unlikely to do significant damage to a concrete column adjacent to it, let alone a dozen, hundreds of feet away, through walls. And most importantly: supposedly, the severed columns were not equidistant from the truck.
If the truck didn't do the job, OKC was demo-ed. How McVeigh fits into all this becomes trivia at that point.
And on Wikipedia alone they show that the ATF was telling on the CIA agents, proving they learned nothing from the prior incident at Waco and were still shooting each other in the foot.
Telling people they aren't allowed to speak their opinions and minds unless its within the approved and allowed forms, that doesn't threaten the government and power, is literally doing the work of the glowies by forcing self-censorship hard enough to stifle people even thinking or congregating around mutual hatred. It allows them to stand out and get attention by being the only ones allowed to say these things and lure people into their honeypot.
Its literally got people so afraid of being called a glowie they just stay quiet, and get easily trapped by the only ones allowed to say it. That is the real glowie.
Of which they increase their capability of by making themselves unique and special by convincing everyone to censor and self censor anything that might appear similar, increasing the power of the honeypot by being the only honey in town.
retarded schizo-shit that no one who matters really wants or is seeking.
You should work on keeping your opinions like this to yourself, as it makes your questionable mod decisions look far more like personal politics and vendettas than begrudging rule enforcement.
Is having an opinion you dislike the barometer of what makes a person "matter?" It is certainly sounding that way, which is wildly selfimportant.
Unironically, you were safer doing honest reporting in something like penthouse as most people including deep state would've just read the cover, assumed porn and not dig deeper..
Same phenomenon with tabloids. It's where important stories go to die. They don't have a "reputation" so they don't need to be managed too much, although some of them might be limited hangouts.
That is exactly what I was thinking of too. The writers of MIB knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote that scene, and it applies to far more than just newspapers.
Pay attention to your popcorn flicks and fun sci-fi shows, especially those such as Stargate SG1, which had a lot of high-ranking intelligence members provide consultancy for. Because the audience is typically considered "dumber", they can get away with far more esoteric and revealing shit than they can in more cerebral Oscar bait. Many people believe SG1 in particular soft-disclosed secrets concerning aliens, their technology, and travel into deep space.
They even wrote an episode lampooning the idea called "Wormhole X-Treme", which aired 3 days before 9/11.
Hah, I had totally forgotten about that scene but yes. What was going through my mind was the Midnight Sun reporter in Deus Ex. The paper has somewhat of an anti-government bent and the reporter actually seems willing to take you seriously and report on stories the propaganda terminals won't. (spoiler: what you don't find out until later is that he's a spook working the government to monitor you)
I think that's actually why Alex Jones sometimes get genuine information.
People who know that stories will be buried if the go to the media, know that Alex Jones is crazy enough to report it, not give them up as a source, and doesn't care about reprisals.
It's kinda like when the movie Men In Black said the National Enquirer was one of the most accurate journalistic organizations. If you had a fucking crazy story that was true, couldn't be linked back to you, and would get published regardless of the consequences, and WikiLeaks doesn't exist. Well, low-reputation news outlets aren't actually a bad idea.
Edit - Yo, how did I call this entire conversation without reading the thread?
You can’t compare nudie magazines to the demonic 4K endless videos available today. Stop watching porn. It makes you weak and it’s not free. You pay with your soul and dignity.
Okay I guess that one went over my head. As an anti pornography person I do want to reiterate that you almost can’t compare old school playboy to modern day pornography. Old school porn may have caused problems on some people but for lots of other men it inspired them to be successful and find a beautiful woman
A reminder, the Waco massacre was caused by Hillary Clinton. Ol' Bill decided to try and shut her up for a while by letting her pick the Attorney General for his admin. Hillary decided muh first female AG despite plenty of distrust that a female would be able to do the job, and Reno was put in place.
Reno ordered the FBI to torch 70+ innocent people after the ATF got their asses handed to them by the Branch Davidians. Because she wanted to look tough.
All those people died for the sake of girlbossing.
I mean…. Every single female leader in history was more violent than their male counterparts.
AKA "Repeal the 19th"
I remember it vividly.
The first AG ended up having a shit-load of provable "issues". Not the least of which was knowingly hiring illegals. She then tried to blame her husbando "he takes care of the yardwork" and even the feministas dropped her.
The second AG pick? Bill interviewed her for 15 minutes. Hillary for 2+ hours. WHY is the "First Lady" even interviewing such nominees? Hummm.
Hillary didn't like her politics, so suddenly she too had "illegal hires" and got dumped.
Then came Janet Reno. 😡
I don't think that Hillary Clinton is to blame more than Janet Reno herself. The FBI was used very aggressively in the 90's against Right-Wing targets, in what I believe to be a reprisal for the Establishment-Right's aggression against Leftist terrorism in the 70's. (Black Panther assassinations, BLA prosecutions, Siege at Wounded Knee, MOVE Siege/Bombing, Attica Prison Riot Massacre, Alcatraz Siege, Sterling Hall Bombing, FBI crackdown on bank roberies (which was a primary form of funding for Leftist Terrorism. See: Symbionese Liberation Army))
That being said, I've not seen any significant evidence that the FBI HRT teams intentionally started the blaze. It seems likely that the fire started somehow from the FBI's actions, most likely from the military-grade CS cannisters that were likely to cause fires, or from electrical sparks from the damaged building that was being pulverized to pump in CS gas.
It seems like the Branch Dividians had gasoline, but I can't tell you for sure whether it was in storage or being intentionally used to accelerate the fire. More-over, the shoddy construction of the large building on the compound was already a tinderbox waiting to happen, which explains why so few people could have gotten out, even if they were trying. I haven't seen much in the way of strong evidence that they intentionally started or accelerated the blaze.
The use of the CS cannisters to deniably cause fires is a known tactic of jackboot faggots in law enforcement. During the incident with the rogue cop going cop killer in LA the police were overheard referring to them as "burners" during a siege of a house Dorner holed up in. They knew what would happen if they were used at scale.
Didn't they literally drive a tank into the building while throwing explosives into it in 40 MPH winds? I seem to remember that.
Remember "Move" in Philadelphia? 500 police descended on their townhouse at 5:35 AM. They fired 10,000 rounds at the building, knowing there were children inside. Then they fire-bombed it...
It's not a known tactic. Every time I've seen the police use explosives or incendiary weapons, it was deliberate, intentional, and with specialized equipment designed to deliberately explode or burn.
When the Philadelphia PD dropped an incendiary device on the MOVE building to break the siege, it was not an accident. It was a purpose-built incendiary bomb. When the Dallas PD blew up the BLM active shooter, they used C4 and one of their robots.
As for Donner, while they know it can cause a fire, it's not a guarantee that it will cause a fire. And you'll notice that Donner got 7 canisters, while the Branch Davidians had gallons of CS gas perpetually pumped in over hours. If you're trying to start a fire, you want to do it quickly, not eventually. Especially if you think you will encounter gunfire.
It is a known tactic that you are a faggot who doubles down on being wrong.
k.
Yeah, if he'd just bombed Congress instead he'd have gotten a pardon from Obama like Susan Rosenberg did.
He never had a chance of anything better than what he got. The government made him an "example" to try and get one over on Elohim City and the various other "white identity" movements that were surging in power at the time, and I'm sure you don't need three guesses to know why they were.
I don't believe in the theory that he was being used by these groups as a patsy/weapon, but he certainly had connections to them and they wanted to scare these guys into not operating in the open as much as they were.
Probably because they knew if white guys found out they had options instead of being forced to bend over and deal with all the niggers, women, Jews and other malcontents in America they'd be facing legitimate resistance soon. Which is also why these groups don't get mentioned at all when most people talk about it.
Whoa, Timothy McVeigh was jewish? 🤯
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No, but the quote is. Please remove the quote.
Absolutely. The actions at Ruby Ridge were so evil, it forfeits the lives of all federal employees at any level and their families. And if you think that's hyperbole, you don't grasp just how evil RR was.
That said, better than even odds OKC was also a fed op. You got that it was an archive of evidence against the Clinton administration, McVeigh's shady connections in government, and that Air Force investigator concluding that truck bombs can barely break windows, let alone sever concrete columns. It's a choose your own adventure of government nonsense.
I think this call comes down to how much you think the Feds had already infiltrated and were controlling all the various "white nationalist, christian identity" groups McVeigh was also connected to. These days that chance would be 100%, but in the 90s I think some of those were still popping up organically.
The sheer lack of talk regarding them, compared to known Fed groups like the KKK or even the modern Proud Boys, makes me lean into those being sincere groups. Otherwise the media and the government would have brought indignant rage upon them ever since.
And I don't bring them up as some vague "evil group of terrorists" like so many would, only just as guys that existed who had legitimate beef with the government and were likely to plan such an action.
I think McVeigh is the hardest element to get a clear read on. The nature of truck bombs is what sells me on feds. His design results in most of the force going up, not out. Even with 10x the volume, a fertilizer bomb is unlikely to do significant damage to a concrete column adjacent to it, let alone a dozen, hundreds of feet away, through walls. And most importantly: supposedly, the severed columns were not equidistant from the truck.
If the truck didn't do the job, OKC was demo-ed. How McVeigh fits into all this becomes trivia at that point.
Its known that CIA flew Andreas Strassmeir out of the country after the bombing.
And on Wikipedia alone they show that the ATF was telling on the CIA agents, proving they learned nothing from the prior incident at Waco and were still shooting each other in the foot.
Maybe you're John Doe #2?
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The first sentence, and sixth sentence are basically glow posting.
The real glowie is convincing people they can't be angry out loud at evil walking among us.
That's not what glowie means.
Telling people they aren't allowed to speak their opinions and minds unless its within the approved and allowed forms, that doesn't threaten the government and power, is literally doing the work of the glowies by forcing self-censorship hard enough to stifle people even thinking or congregating around mutual hatred. It allows them to stand out and get attention by being the only ones allowed to say these things and lure people into their honeypot.
Its literally got people so afraid of being called a glowie they just stay quiet, and get easily trapped by the only ones allowed to say it. That is the real glowie.
No, as we've seen many times, glowies are make-work operations for law enforcement to legitimize crackdowns on innocent people.
Pushing complete fiction, and calling for race war, is retarded schizo-shit that no one who matters really wants or is seeking.
Of which they increase their capability of by making themselves unique and special by convincing everyone to censor and self censor anything that might appear similar, increasing the power of the honeypot by being the only honey in town.
You should work on keeping your opinions like this to yourself, as it makes your questionable mod decisions look far more like personal politics and vendettas than begrudging rule enforcement.
Is having an opinion you dislike the barometer of what makes a person "matter?" It is certainly sounding that way, which is wildly selfimportant.
Unironically, you were safer doing honest reporting in something like penthouse as most people including deep state would've just read the cover, assumed porn and not dig deeper..
Same phenomenon with tabloids. It's where important stories go to die. They don't have a "reputation" so they don't need to be managed too much, although some of them might be limited hangouts.
Reminds me of this
That is exactly what I was thinking of too. The writers of MIB knew exactly what they were doing when they wrote that scene, and it applies to far more than just newspapers.
Pay attention to your popcorn flicks and fun sci-fi shows, especially those such as Stargate SG1, which had a lot of high-ranking intelligence members provide consultancy for. Because the audience is typically considered "dumber", they can get away with far more esoteric and revealing shit than they can in more cerebral Oscar bait. Many people believe SG1 in particular soft-disclosed secrets concerning aliens, their technology, and travel into deep space.
They even wrote an episode lampooning the idea called "Wormhole X-Treme", which aired 3 days before 9/11.
god i miss stargate so much
Hah, I had totally forgotten about that scene but yes. What was going through my mind was the Midnight Sun reporter in Deus Ex. The paper has somewhat of an anti-government bent and the reporter actually seems willing to take you seriously and report on stories the propaganda terminals won't. (spoiler: what you don't find out until later is that he's a spook working the government to monitor you)
I think that's actually why Alex Jones sometimes get genuine information.
People who know that stories will be buried if the go to the media, know that Alex Jones is crazy enough to report it, not give them up as a source, and doesn't care about reprisals.
It's kinda like when the movie Men In Black said the National Enquirer was one of the most accurate journalistic organizations. If you had a fucking crazy story that was true, couldn't be linked back to you, and would get published regardless of the consequences, and WikiLeaks doesn't exist. Well, low-reputation news outlets aren't actually a bad idea.
Edit - Yo, how did I call this entire conversation without reading the thread?
Because you're just so very, very stunningly and bravely intelligent.
Nice sarcasm, bro. I'm super impressed.
I don't think her leg is evil, it's a nice leg
They don't make legs like that anymore.
they dont, now they are covered in tattoos.
Yup. A great sin that.
When did you first realize that “I’m a leg man” is code for “no fatties” lol
Thicc girls are just fat. Deal with it.
It was an actual holocaust, a burnt offering of goyim to the ZOG regime
Given the original meaning of the term "burnt offering" holocaust is a fitting term.
Who's the broad on the cover?
It's not going to be difficult to look up.
Penthouse actually had some great journalism. Airbushed porn was cool . Life was simpler then.
Playboy was unironically the best magazine in the USA while Robert Anton Wilson was editor in the 1960s.
You can’t compare nudie magazines to the demonic 4K endless videos available today. Stop watching porn. It makes you weak and it’s not free. You pay with your soul and dignity.
Yes, but the point is the article; no "respectable" media outlet would dare run an article critical of the Waco massacre like that.
I dont think thats what OP is implying. He is saying tradcucks are gutless losers who call everything demonic, all while supporting Satan himself.
Okay I guess that one went over my head. As an anti pornography person I do want to reiterate that you almost can’t compare old school playboy to modern day pornography. Old school porn may have caused problems on some people but for lots of other men it inspired them to be successful and find a beautiful woman
What about Penthouse though?