A reminder, the Waco massacre was caused by Hillary Clinton. Ol' Bill decided to try and shut her up for a while by letting her pick the Attorney General for his admin. Hillary decided muh first female AG despite plenty of distrust that a female would be able to do the job, and Reno was put in place.
Reno ordered the FBI to torch 70+ innocent people after the ATF got their asses handed to them by the Branch Davidians. Because she wanted to look tough.
All those people died for the sake of girlbossing.
I remember it vividly.
The first AG ended up having a shit-load of provable "issues". Not the least of which was knowingly hiring illegals. She then tried to blame her husbando "he takes care of the yardwork" and even the feministas dropped her.
The second AG pick? Bill interviewed her for 15 minutes. Hillary for 2+ hours. WHY is the "First Lady" even interviewing such nominees? Hummm.
Hillary didn't like her politics, so suddenly she too had "illegal hires" and got dumped.
I don't think that Hillary Clinton is to blame more than Janet Reno herself. The FBI was used very aggressively in the 90's against Right-Wing targets, in what I believe to be a reprisal for the Establishment-Right's aggression against Leftist terrorism in the 70's. (Black Panther assassinations, BLA prosecutions, Siege at Wounded Knee, MOVE Siege/Bombing, Attica Prison Riot Massacre, Alcatraz Siege, Sterling Hall Bombing, FBI crackdown on bank roberies (which was a primary form of funding for Leftist Terrorism. See: Symbionese Liberation Army))
That being said, I've not seen any significant evidence that the FBI HRT teams intentionally started the blaze. It seems likely that the fire started somehow from the FBI's actions, most likely from the military-grade CS cannisters that were likely to cause fires, or from electrical sparks from the damaged building that was being pulverized to pump in CS gas.
It seems like the Branch Dividians had gasoline, but I can't tell you for sure whether it was in storage or being intentionally used to accelerate the fire. More-over, the shoddy construction of the large building on the compound was already a tinderbox waiting to happen, which explains why so few people could have gotten out, even if they were trying. I haven't seen much in the way of strong evidence that they intentionally started or accelerated the blaze.
The use of the CS cannisters to deniably cause fires is a known tactic of jackboot faggots in law enforcement. During the incident with the rogue cop going cop killer in LA the police were overheard referring to them as "burners" during a siege of a house Dorner holed up in. They knew what would happen if they were used at scale.
Didn't they literally drive a tank into the building while throwing explosives into it in 40 MPH winds? I seem to remember that.
Remember "Move" in Philadelphia?500 police descended on their townhouse at 5:35 AM. They fired 10,000 rounds at the building, knowing there were children inside. Then they fire-bombed it...
It's not a known tactic. Every time I've seen the police use explosives or incendiary weapons, it was deliberate, intentional, and with specialized equipment designed to deliberately explode or burn.
When the Philadelphia PD dropped an incendiary device on the MOVE building to break the siege, it was not an accident. It was a purpose-built incendiary bomb. When the Dallas PD blew up the BLM active shooter, they used C4 and one of their robots.
As for Donner, while they know it can cause a fire, it's not a guarantee that it will cause a fire. And you'll notice that Donner got 7 canisters, while the Branch Davidians had gallons of CS gas perpetually pumped in over hours. If you're trying to start a fire, you want to do it quickly, not eventually. Especially if you think you will encounter gunfire.
He never had a chance of anything better than what he got. The government made him an "example" to try and get one over on Elohim City and the various other "white identity" movements that were surging in power at the time, and I'm sure you don't need three guesses to know why they were.
I don't believe in the theory that he was being used by these groups as a patsy/weapon, but he certainly had connections to them and they wanted to scare these guys into not operating in the open as much as they were.
Probably because they knew if white guys found out they had options instead of being forced to bend over and deal with all the niggers, women, Jews and other malcontents in America they'd be facing legitimate resistance soon. Which is also why these groups don't get mentioned at all when most people talk about it.
Absolutely. The actions at Ruby Ridge were so evil, it forfeits the lives of all federal employees at any level and their families. And if you think that's hyperbole, you don't grasp just how evil RR was.
That said, better than even odds OKC was also a fed op. You got that it was an archive of evidence against the Clinton administration, McVeigh's shady connections in government, and that Air Force investigator concluding that truck bombs can barely break windows, let alone sever concrete columns. It's a choose your own adventure of government nonsense.
That said, better than even odds OKC was also a fed op
I think this call comes down to how much you think the Feds had already infiltrated and were controlling all the various "white nationalist, christian identity" groups McVeigh was also connected to. These days that chance would be 100%, but in the 90s I think some of those were still popping up organically.
The sheer lack of talk regarding them, compared to known Fed groups like the KKK or even the modern Proud Boys, makes me lean into those being sincere groups. Otherwise the media and the government would have brought indignant rage upon them ever since.
And I don't bring them up as some vague "evil group of terrorists" like so many would, only just as guys that existed who had legitimate beef with the government and were likely to plan such an action.
I think McVeigh is the hardest element to get a clear read on. The nature of truck bombs is what sells me on feds. His design results in most of the force going up, not out. Even with 10x the volume, a fertilizer bomb is unlikely to do significant damage to a concrete column adjacent to it, let alone a dozen, hundreds of feet away, through walls. And most importantly: supposedly, the severed columns were not equidistant from the truck.
If the truck didn't do the job, OKC was demo-ed. How McVeigh fits into all this becomes trivia at that point.
A reminder, the Waco massacre was caused by Hillary Clinton. Ol' Bill decided to try and shut her up for a while by letting her pick the Attorney General for his admin. Hillary decided muh first female AG despite plenty of distrust that a female would be able to do the job, and Reno was put in place.
Reno ordered the FBI to torch 70+ innocent people after the ATF got their asses handed to them by the Branch Davidians. Because she wanted to look tough.
All those people died for the sake of girlbossing.
I mean…. Every single female leader in history was more violent than their male counterparts.
AKA "Repeal the 19th"
I remember it vividly.
The first AG ended up having a shit-load of provable "issues". Not the least of which was knowingly hiring illegals. She then tried to blame her husbando "he takes care of the yardwork" and even the feministas dropped her.
The second AG pick? Bill interviewed her for 15 minutes. Hillary for 2+ hours. WHY is the "First Lady" even interviewing such nominees? Hummm.
Hillary didn't like her politics, so suddenly she too had "illegal hires" and got dumped.
Then came Janet Reno. 😡
I don't think that Hillary Clinton is to blame more than Janet Reno herself. The FBI was used very aggressively in the 90's against Right-Wing targets, in what I believe to be a reprisal for the Establishment-Right's aggression against Leftist terrorism in the 70's. (Black Panther assassinations, BLA prosecutions, Siege at Wounded Knee, MOVE Siege/Bombing, Attica Prison Riot Massacre, Alcatraz Siege, Sterling Hall Bombing, FBI crackdown on bank roberies (which was a primary form of funding for Leftist Terrorism. See: Symbionese Liberation Army))
That being said, I've not seen any significant evidence that the FBI HRT teams intentionally started the blaze. It seems likely that the fire started somehow from the FBI's actions, most likely from the military-grade CS cannisters that were likely to cause fires, or from electrical sparks from the damaged building that was being pulverized to pump in CS gas.
It seems like the Branch Dividians had gasoline, but I can't tell you for sure whether it was in storage or being intentionally used to accelerate the fire. More-over, the shoddy construction of the large building on the compound was already a tinderbox waiting to happen, which explains why so few people could have gotten out, even if they were trying. I haven't seen much in the way of strong evidence that they intentionally started or accelerated the blaze.
The use of the CS cannisters to deniably cause fires is a known tactic of jackboot faggots in law enforcement. During the incident with the rogue cop going cop killer in LA the police were overheard referring to them as "burners" during a siege of a house Dorner holed up in. They knew what would happen if they were used at scale.
Didn't they literally drive a tank into the building while throwing explosives into it in 40 MPH winds? I seem to remember that.
Remember "Move" in Philadelphia? 500 police descended on their townhouse at 5:35 AM. They fired 10,000 rounds at the building, knowing there were children inside. Then they fire-bombed it...
It's not a known tactic. Every time I've seen the police use explosives or incendiary weapons, it was deliberate, intentional, and with specialized equipment designed to deliberately explode or burn.
When the Philadelphia PD dropped an incendiary device on the MOVE building to break the siege, it was not an accident. It was a purpose-built incendiary bomb. When the Dallas PD blew up the BLM active shooter, they used C4 and one of their robots.
As for Donner, while they know it can cause a fire, it's not a guarantee that it will cause a fire. And you'll notice that Donner got 7 canisters, while the Branch Davidians had gallons of CS gas perpetually pumped in over hours. If you're trying to start a fire, you want to do it quickly, not eventually. Especially if you think you will encounter gunfire.
It is a known tactic that you are a faggot who doubles down on being wrong.
Yeah, if he'd just bombed Congress instead he'd have gotten a pardon from Obama like Susan Rosenberg did.
He never had a chance of anything better than what he got. The government made him an "example" to try and get one over on Elohim City and the various other "white identity" movements that were surging in power at the time, and I'm sure you don't need three guesses to know why they were.
I don't believe in the theory that he was being used by these groups as a patsy/weapon, but he certainly had connections to them and they wanted to scare these guys into not operating in the open as much as they were.
Probably because they knew if white guys found out they had options instead of being forced to bend over and deal with all the niggers, women, Jews and other malcontents in America they'd be facing legitimate resistance soon. Which is also why these groups don't get mentioned at all when most people talk about it.
Whoa, Timothy McVeigh was jewish? 🤯
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Absolutely. The actions at Ruby Ridge were so evil, it forfeits the lives of all federal employees at any level and their families. And if you think that's hyperbole, you don't grasp just how evil RR was.
That said, better than even odds OKC was also a fed op. You got that it was an archive of evidence against the Clinton administration, McVeigh's shady connections in government, and that Air Force investigator concluding that truck bombs can barely break windows, let alone sever concrete columns. It's a choose your own adventure of government nonsense.
I think this call comes down to how much you think the Feds had already infiltrated and were controlling all the various "white nationalist, christian identity" groups McVeigh was also connected to. These days that chance would be 100%, but in the 90s I think some of those were still popping up organically.
The sheer lack of talk regarding them, compared to known Fed groups like the KKK or even the modern Proud Boys, makes me lean into those being sincere groups. Otherwise the media and the government would have brought indignant rage upon them ever since.
And I don't bring them up as some vague "evil group of terrorists" like so many would, only just as guys that existed who had legitimate beef with the government and were likely to plan such an action.
I think McVeigh is the hardest element to get a clear read on. The nature of truck bombs is what sells me on feds. His design results in most of the force going up, not out. Even with 10x the volume, a fertilizer bomb is unlikely to do significant damage to a concrete column adjacent to it, let alone a dozen, hundreds of feet away, through walls. And most importantly: supposedly, the severed columns were not equidistant from the truck.
If the truck didn't do the job, OKC was demo-ed. How McVeigh fits into all this becomes trivia at that point.
Its known that CIA flew Andreas Strassmeir out of the country after the bombing.
Maybe you're John Doe #2?
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The first sentence, and sixth sentence are basically glow posting.
The real glowie is convincing people they can't be angry out loud at evil walking among us.
That's not what glowie means.