Its probably a wonderful move for modern conservation efforts and the ability to undo man's damage in driving a lot of animals to extinction. We need this level of science just to counteract the damage the Chinese have done just for boner meds alone.
But that's the noble goal, we all have seen how bad it can go in the hands of less capable men. And Jurassic Park was a noble but misguided man doing his best, the actual abuses of this will be horrifying.
The thing is where are they going to be kept? In zoos all their life? I can't imagine reintroducing a 10000 yr dead species into the ecosystem is not going to have hiccups
I'd imagine some kind of animal sanctuary. If you plan to do anything with them other than show them off as a curiosity, you'd need to give them enough space to act out on some of their instincts, since nobody knows for sure what their natural behavior is or what role they play. Reintroducing wouldn't even be on the table yet, unless whoever is funding them is fantastically retarded.
I would hope so as just proof of concept, but this and the mammoth are both "recently" extinct so they might think "oh we are just undoing man's damage!" and do something retarded like reintroduce them.
Like I see the net positive this could be. It has immense value on returning necessary parts of the ecosystem today like the rhino and other endangered things.
But instead its gonna just be used to create predators that are locked in cages forever for no reason just because we can, and that's the best case scenario.
I've personally always thought the real problem with Jurrasic Park was less "We recreated dinosaurs." and more "We were flippant about recreating dinosaurs."
I've always wondered what sort of world they would have had if Newman didn't go and shit up the entire thing. I know failure was probably inevitable, but they could have had time to get to a point where shit reaaly hits the fan, because they would have gone even further.
I think that was the point of the Jurassic World movies, at least the first one. They basically cleaned the slate and managed to get a fully functional park.
And then they needed bigger "wows" so they kept splicing shit more and more until they created something so ridiculous that it outsmarted them and they weren't able to easily put it down either.
Heck the two Jurassic World Evolution games by Frontier showed how easy it was to fall into the trap yourself, with more insane monsters being let loose to fight each other giving you massive short term boosts but then you have a nightmare of an aggressive creature bred for combat that you have to keep caged somehow.
In the book, scientists engineer the dinos to be missing an amino acid and they only raised one sex of dinos so they couldn't reproduce on their own.
Over the course of the disaster it's revealed that the amphibian DNA used to fill in missing gaps let them change sex and so reproduce, and that the dinos found a natural source of the missing protein.
That's the twist at the end is that the Nedry situation and the hurricane just revealed that the park had already failed to contain the dinosaurs. So without Nedry they just would have gone on longer without knowing the dinosaurs were already loose. The park was ready to open soon so probably they wouldn't even have resurrected any new species.
The details of the story are really just an irrelevant inevitability. The way they talk about "chaos theory" is self-indulgent jerk off material, but its not entirely wrong.
At the end of the day, humans are flawed and people with less than pure intentions will always come into the power and control of these technologies and animals. And that means something bad will always end up happening with them. Whether that's something small or "The Chinese let a TRex loose in NYC as retaliation for tariffs" level retarded.
I've been reading up about this. Apparently, these aren't actual Dire Wolves, it's just Grey Wolves with some genetics played with to make them white like Dire Wolves. Regardless, this coming so soon off the reveal of "Woolly Mice", all these developments in de-extinction and genetic modifications is very interesting.
It could also help bring back a few species wiped out by human ignorance (Tasmanian Tigers, Dodos etc) and the obvious end goal of bringing back the dinosaurs.
Based on what little experience I have, the wolves will be loyal and more friendly than dogs. However, they will be big enough to make you rethink red riding hood.
It's like all the people asking "how did they do this?!" never listened to Mr. DNA. (to be fair I forgot they used VIRTUAL REALITY DISPLAYS for extreme sciencing)
His second book covered an even more interesting topic that is never brought up. The raptors. They were violent and impulsive incredibly self destructive. At first it was thought to be their nature, but in the end they realized it was a major oversight. They were acting that way because they were a generation thrust into a world without paternal guidance. They nested, but they did very little to care for said nests. They were incredibly careless with their offspring. They were in essence, adult children, because they had no one to teach them how to survive or behave as a cohesive species. It stuck a chord with me. One might even draw.. real life parallels to said phenomenon.
I forget the term, but yeah. it's a common problem with species that develop social structures. individuals raised without those social structure often lack the instincts to make up for them.
...If I remember correctly, the raptors were actually eating their own offspring.
I'm hard-pressed to think of an author with a greater range than he had: from Andromeda Strain to Jurassic Park, the Great Train Robbery, Eaters of the Dead (13th Warrior), Timeline, etc. he could write medical drama, science fiction/fantasy, or heist stories. And he had an MD from Harvard. Incredible talent there.
There's something so depressing about the concept of being the rebirth of your long dead species. All said and done you are alone in an alien world that has ultimately rejected your very existence.
"Brought back" is a hell of a stretch. It sounds like they've heavily edited wolf dna to try and match fragments recovered. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're sterile. I don't want to take away from the achievement, which is truly exciting for the field of genetics, but these headlines aren't exactly telling the correct story.
They take Yukon wolves and change the DNA to match dire wolves. So they are kinda like an extinct cousin to modern arctic type wolves. Its not as dramatic as a jurassic park scenario because they only went extinct due to having a larger calorie need than their slightly smaller relatives. 10000 years ain't shit compared to 65 million years difference. So if they got out and repopulate it wouldn't cause disastrous chain consequences. They might naturally die out because the lack of steady bison sized meals in Siberia/Yukon.
I think they are doing it with mammoths but the gap between elephant and mammoth is obviously bigger than arctic wolf to dire wolf
They took grey wolves and edited in 14 sequences recovered from a tooth and a skull. Actual direwolves were reddish brown (we have preserved specimens, complete with fur). These are direwolves in the same way your chihuahua is a desert fox. They are at best a weak hybrid. Until the company backbreeds and introduces significantly (read: a majority) more recovered dna, this is not a successful de-extinction.
This oddly-semitic company edited grey wolf DNA so the wolf would resemble a game of thrones "direwolf". In no way did they attempt to make it look like an actual direwolf, nor does any direwolf DNA exist.
They're just playing God with the eventual goal of designer pets, or animals-with-military-usage.
It's curious that the media and late night TV are so extensively trying to market this company. Perhaps nepotism? Or an effort to normalize playing God and make it seem like a good thing™?
Its probably a wonderful move for modern conservation efforts and the ability to undo man's damage in driving a lot of animals to extinction. We need this level of science just to counteract the damage the Chinese have done just for boner meds alone.
But that's the noble goal, we all have seen how bad it can go in the hands of less capable men. And Jurassic Park was a noble but misguided man doing his best, the actual abuses of this will be horrifying.
The thing is where are they going to be kept? In zoos all their life? I can't imagine reintroducing a 10000 yr dead species into the ecosystem is not going to have hiccups
I'd imagine some kind of animal sanctuary. If you plan to do anything with them other than show them off as a curiosity, you'd need to give them enough space to act out on some of their instincts, since nobody knows for sure what their natural behavior is or what role they play. Reintroducing wouldn't even be on the table yet, unless whoever is funding them is fantastically retarded.
Maybe like an animal theme park?
I would hope so as just proof of concept, but this and the mammoth are both "recently" extinct so they might think "oh we are just undoing man's damage!" and do something retarded like reintroduce them.
scientists are pretty retarded with regards to common sense so it's worrying
Yeah exactly.
Like I see the net positive this could be. It has immense value on returning necessary parts of the ecosystem today like the rhino and other endangered things.
But instead its gonna just be used to create predators that are locked in cages forever for no reason just because we can, and that's the best case scenario.
Probably cause it doesn't bring as much funding
Which returns us back to the literal plot of Jurassic World.
^Jurassic Park.
Jurassic World is the redheaded stepchild.
They'll probably just keep them in zoos, like when the auroch was briefly brought back in the 30s.
Don't worry. I'm sure their population will be kept in check by environmental factors like simping Jon Snow and shitty screenwriting.
I've personally always thought the real problem with Jurrasic Park was less "We recreated dinosaurs." and more "We were flippant about recreating dinosaurs."
I've always wondered what sort of world they would have had if Newman didn't go and shit up the entire thing. I know failure was probably inevitable, but they could have had time to get to a point where shit reaaly hits the fan, because they would have gone even further.
I think that was the point of the Jurassic World movies, at least the first one. They basically cleaned the slate and managed to get a fully functional park.
And then they needed bigger "wows" so they kept splicing shit more and more until they created something so ridiculous that it outsmarted them and they weren't able to easily put it down either.
Heck the two Jurassic World Evolution games by Frontier showed how easy it was to fall into the trap yourself, with more insane monsters being let loose to fight each other giving you massive short term boosts but then you have a nightmare of an aggressive creature bred for combat that you have to keep caged somehow.
“Newman!”
In the book, scientists engineer the dinos to be missing an amino acid and they only raised one sex of dinos so they couldn't reproduce on their own.
Over the course of the disaster it's revealed that the amphibian DNA used to fill in missing gaps let them change sex and so reproduce, and that the dinos found a natural source of the missing protein.
That's the twist at the end is that the Nedry situation and the hurricane just revealed that the park had already failed to contain the dinosaurs. So without Nedry they just would have gone on longer without knowing the dinosaurs were already loose. The park was ready to open soon so probably they wouldn't even have resurrected any new species.
The details of the story are really just an irrelevant inevitability. The way they talk about "chaos theory" is self-indulgent jerk off material, but its not entirely wrong.
At the end of the day, humans are flawed and people with less than pure intentions will always come into the power and control of these technologies and animals. And that means something bad will always end up happening with them. Whether that's something small or "The Chinese let a TRex loose in NYC as retaliation for tariffs" level retarded.
They didn't use dire wolf DNA apparently. They modified existing genes in another type of wolf to match dire wolf.
The Mammoth project is a bigger leap than this
Probably still not something I'd let loose in the wild
There are bigger wolves right now. This is just a prettier wolf
Somewhere, Sean Bean just felt a chill go up his spine.
No man ever wetted clayh
I've been reading up about this. Apparently, these aren't actual Dire Wolves, it's just Grey Wolves with some genetics played with to make them white like Dire Wolves. Regardless, this coming so soon off the reveal of "Woolly Mice", all these developments in de-extinction and genetic modifications is very interesting.
It could also help bring back a few species wiped out by human ignorance (Tasmanian Tigers, Dodos etc) and the obvious end goal of bringing back the dinosaurs.
the real qns is why do we want to bring back dinosaurs. where are they going to be put if they come back?
Um… Nigeria? Palestine. Iran. North Korea. India. Anywhere ending in “stan”. Australia. Davos. Brussels….
Too many places to name right now.
I like the last two on your list.
Just give a warning beforehand so we can start building the fences to keep them there (talking about the politicians)
None of them would survive the conditions of the modern world.
Oceans. We got lots of aquatic dinos.
yeah, definitely not going to fuck anything up
It's soon going to be like real-world AI, where we can just create anything with a prompt.
"ChatDNA create a dodo-like bird out of this hodgepodge of DNA".
And it'll make some Moreau-esque monstrosity that looks like a dodo.
Based on what little experience I have, the wolves will be loyal and more friendly than dogs. However, they will be big enough to make you rethink red riding hood.
...didn't michael crichton write a book warning us of this kinda shit!?!
It's like all the people asking "how did they do this?!" never listened to Mr. DNA. (to be fair I forgot they used VIRTUAL REALITY DISPLAYS for extreme sciencing)
yeah the vr thing was pretty much window dressing, don't feel bad, i forgot about that too.
His second book covered an even more interesting topic that is never brought up. The raptors. They were violent and impulsive incredibly self destructive. At first it was thought to be their nature, but in the end they realized it was a major oversight. They were acting that way because they were a generation thrust into a world without paternal guidance. They nested, but they did very little to care for said nests. They were incredibly careless with their offspring. They were in essence, adult children, because they had no one to teach them how to survive or behave as a cohesive species. It stuck a chord with me. One might even draw.. real life parallels to said phenomenon.
I forget the term, but yeah. it's a common problem with species that develop social structures. individuals raised without those social structure often lack the instincts to make up for them.
...If I remember correctly, the raptors were actually eating their own offspring.
I think they brought the Raptors back from Africa about 250 years ago?
They brought the Super Predators back.
Michael Crichton still stacking up wins 30 years later
I'm hard-pressed to think of an author with a greater range than he had: from Andromeda Strain to Jurassic Park, the Great Train Robbery, Eaters of the Dead (13th Warrior), Timeline, etc. he could write medical drama, science fiction/fantasy, or heist stories. And he had an MD from Harvard. Incredible talent there.
Time to Warg
There's something so depressing about the concept of being the rebirth of your long dead species. All said and done you are alone in an alien world that has ultimately rejected your very existence.
No big deal, they'll just bring back Sabertooth Tigers and Giant Short-Faced Bears to counter the Dire Wolves.
And if that doesn't work out so well, straight to the Tyrannosaurus to get rid of all of them.
"Brought back" is a hell of a stretch. It sounds like they've heavily edited wolf dna to try and match fragments recovered. I wouldn't be surprised at all if they're sterile. I don't want to take away from the achievement, which is truly exciting for the field of genetics, but these headlines aren't exactly telling the correct story.
Anyone know how the process was done? Why can't we do the same with mammoths?
They take Yukon wolves and change the DNA to match dire wolves. So they are kinda like an extinct cousin to modern arctic type wolves. Its not as dramatic as a jurassic park scenario because they only went extinct due to having a larger calorie need than their slightly smaller relatives. 10000 years ain't shit compared to 65 million years difference. So if they got out and repopulate it wouldn't cause disastrous chain consequences. They might naturally die out because the lack of steady bison sized meals in Siberia/Yukon.
I think they are doing it with mammoths but the gap between elephant and mammoth is obviously bigger than arctic wolf to dire wolf
How close are they to the species from 10k years ago? Is it the same or almost the same?
I'm not sure. Its an experimental grey area.
If you took a white person zygote and changed hair, skin etc to a black person is that now a black person? Maybe.
So i guess it's a matter of perspective.
They took some direwolf dna and edited genes in modern wolf dna ot match the dna and then embedded them in a surrogate wolf
So no, I don't think we can do that with a mammoth because I don't think there's a close enough relative
Lizzo maybe?
She went on Ozempic
They took grey wolves and edited in 14 sequences recovered from a tooth and a skull. Actual direwolves were reddish brown (we have preserved specimens, complete with fur). These are direwolves in the same way your chihuahua is a desert fox. They are at best a weak hybrid. Until the company backbreeds and introduces significantly (read: a majority) more recovered dna, this is not a successful de-extinction.
I'd hire'em.
"At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from the classic novel Don't Create the Torment Nexus."
This oddly-semitic company edited grey wolf DNA so the wolf would resemble a game of thrones "direwolf". In no way did they attempt to make it look like an actual direwolf, nor does any direwolf DNA exist.
They're just playing God with the eventual goal of designer pets, or animals-with-military-usage.
It's curious that the media and late night TV are so extensively trying to market this company. Perhaps nepotism? Or an effort to normalize playing God and make it seem like a good thing™?