That ALSO includes the cartels now so all those Latinos on social media saying how you can't win against them are now going to join them on THEIR side of the border.
Some of you might not be happy about this, but I'm fine with it. The Free Palestine crowd may have crippled the left, but they're all some flavor of wacko, and this will get the foreigners out faster. In fact now that I typed that out I'm loving it.
The visa is still legal unless it had a very specific clause about committing a crime and then deporting yourself, even if the person its held by has become a criminal.
Which means its still a "legal immigrant" and a problem that isn't being talked about enough.
The legal/illegal distinction is largely meaningless. It's simply taboo to say "I want to throw out all the foreigners". It's a completely normal opinion, but the media and cultural messaging for generations now has been "Oh but that's racist". We're finally hitting the tipping point where people don't care as much about being some flavor of -ist or -phobe.
I'm not happy with it because it's a free speech infringement. It's fine if you want the 'foreigners out', but can you do it in a way that doesn't damage free speech?
My principles and protections don't apply to non-Americans in the same unflinching status they do for actual citizens. If you want to become "one of us" you need to be on far better behavior than a regular idiotic Ameritard to get equal rights to him.
That was the entire purpose of how our immigration system was supposed to work, the best and brightest, and revoking it for failing basic behavioral tasks should be the case.
I'd say every nation on Earth should feel and act in the same manner regarding their own country.
I'd also be content with a policy of "every foreigner has to leave and maybe we'll reassess that stance in a few years." Better to be up front about what we want. It's not like foreigners have any right to be here beyond our willingness to allow them in.
I’m assuming they would have to show some sort of financial connection or something. At least I hope. I it is annoying for someone on a visa to get here and be a whiny agitator but you would have to really specify what is meant by “support”
Exactly. I’m sure if I spent the Christmas season in Saudi Arabia and demanded they sto0 celebrating Ramadan to appease me, well. I would probably not be around very long
President Trump signed an Executive Order authorizing the deportation of non-citizens who support terrorist organizations, such as Hamas and Hezbollah.
I'm sure this will in some cases be applied more broadly than I personally prefer but...non-citizens. Can't make an omelets without breaking a few eggs. We've catered to non-Americans for long enough, I'm not going to sleep poorly just because some leftist protestors got shipped out of the country.
There are about to be a lot of open spots at Harvard and Columbia!
A lot of spots open in Columbia too. Free travel, too!
Imagine having to explain to our posterity that we had to issue an order to deport foreign terrorist supporters from our own country. Our kids are going to accidentally gaslight us.
"Deport terrorist supporters? That seems kinda obvious, grandpa Giz."
"Boy, they thought women had penises."
"... wat? No one thinks that."
"YES THEY DID! My employer told me this! The doctors told us this!"
"Mom! Grandpa's being senile again!"
"NO GOD DAMNIT IT REALLY HAPPENED! THEY FILLED PLAYGROUNDS WITH SAND AND SAID THAT NATURAL IMMUNITY WAS GENOCIDE!"
"Dad, just relax and have some water."
"THEY PUT FLORIDE IN THE WATER! THEY MADE THE FREAKIN' FROGS GAY! GOD DAMN FABIANS!"
Dude, the government has labeled people as terrorists in this country for thinking that schools shouldn’t cut the dicks off of kids without their parent’s permission. You should be a bit more circumspect…
Sure, but normally with such situations there has to be classified and demarked terrorist groups. The FBI didn't label those people terrorist, just potential recruits for anti-government radicalism that could lead to them becoming terrorists or being recruited by the explicit terrorist groups that I talked about.
I think it's okay to deport people who aren't citizens who support terrorism. Our fight is not on deporting terrorist sympathizers, but what counts as a terrorist group.
I agree, but that's just always going to be a fight for any situation where the government creates a category. Either we fight on the definition of the category forever, or we abolish the category entirely.
Honestly I’m not even sure the category of “terrorist” is a valuable one. It’s just “random murder/acts of violence for ideological reasons” and murder/violence is already illegal
I’m not sure how much, if at all, someone’s “ideology” should factor into whether or not they are punished for their actions
We managed just fine for 250+ years without the concept of “terrorism”
Actually terrorism goes back over 100 years. It's specifically ideologically & politically motivated generalized violence against the general population to coerce political outcomes.
Terrorism, specifically unaffiliated with government actors, should be a category.
Akshully if you want to get technical, records of acts of terrorism go back millennia, and in fact a familiar name shows up even back then
While terrorism is not normally thought of as a phenomenon that was prevalent in the ancient world, there are at least some examples of it from early periods of history. There were secret societies in ancient China that worked against early dynasties, but their revolts involved conventional warfare, and there is no indication that anti-government activities involved the use of any terrorist techniques.1 The clearest indications of early uses of terrorism in ancient times came from the internal politics of Rome during some periods of the Republic, Jewish revolts in the Eastern Mediterranean first against the Seleucid Greeks and then against its incorporation into the Roman Empire, and battles between different factions in the Eastern Roman/Byzantine Empire. In these cases there is little doubt that organized groups were using violence directed toward target audiences beyond the immediate victims in order to achieve political objectives. In these cases the violence was frequently organized and widespread enough to meet the criteria for terrorism.
The hell are you talking about? There are like 3 names I don't recognize -- and that doesn't mean they're not regulars, just that I don't recognize them.
And no, I'm not going to stalk their profiles to check. That's something only an obsessive weirdo would do.
I've seen some people explaining the rationale (similar to any other conflict, such as why Russia went into Ukraine.) I've seen some "conspiracy theories;" again, similar to any other major event. But I saw practically no so-called "yay, Hamas!"
It's more than a year ago. I did a quick search but it's almost impossible to find stuff that far out. Let's be real though. Do you see much dispassionate 'explaining the rationale' when the subject is anything approaching Jews?
It's more than a year ago. I did a quick search but it's almost impossible to find stuff that far out.
Fair enough. It was mostly rhetorical.
Let's be real though. Do you see much dispassionate 'explaining the rationale' when the subject is anything approaching Jews?
"Let's be real" isn't really an argument. And this will just go around and around anyway. Yeah, some people get irrational...on both sides. That's different than backing up your claim that people were cheering on Hamas. Plenty of people got accused of cheering on Hamas, sure. But that was mostly derangement from the other side, seeing any disagreement as "terrorist support."
Point is, no, I didn't see many people at all saying "good, go Hamas."
I don't think it's ever been "yay Hamas" here. I'd say that anyone cheering for that is the weird outsider. At the most you're gonna get regulars here with the stance of "glass the whole region and call it a day", but that's different to actually supporting a side in the endless sand dune conflicts.
There is plenty of room in my heart to hate multiple things at once.
I'll care more about Hamas when APPAC vets all my politicians and selects 90% of the cabinet (regardless of party) and primaries anybody who says anything mildly anti-Hamastic, while my politicians fly to Palastine to kiss a goat before taking office.
THey scream louder about jews because everyone is already willing to admit that Muslim wrongdoing is a thing but everyone sticks their heads in the sand if you suggest that Jewish wrongdoing is also a thing.
It's definitely possible to despise both groups and the troubles they bring with them to our shores.
THey scream louder about jews because everyone is already willing to admit that Muslim wrongdoing is a thing but everyone sticks their heads in the sand if you suggest that Jewish wrongdoing is also a thing.
It goes a little bit beyond "Jews can also do bad things", which no one disputes. Leaving aside for a moment the advocacy for Hitler, claims that everything and every place is controlled by Jews, there's a weird fixation on Jews grossly disproportionate to anything offered as a justification.
It's definitely possible to despise both groups and the troubles they bring with them to our shores.
It is, but that's not really who I am talking about.
Great. Do dual citizenship Israelis next.
Why stop at Israelis?
No one said stop. just start there.
That EO aligns with the rules on this site too..
Support israhell, or youre a terrorist.
That ALSO includes the cartels now so all those Latinos on social media saying how you can't win against them are now going to join them on THEIR side of the border.
That PB Gomez retard on X can go first
Some of you might not be happy about this, but I'm fine with it. The Free Palestine crowd may have crippled the left, but they're all some flavor of wacko, and this will get the foreigners out faster. In fact now that I typed that out I'm loving it.
I want all of the illegals and their anchor babies out. I don't care what their politics are.
yes, but these are "legals" like student visa holders.
How legal is a 'student visa holder' who tries assaulting a white kid because "he looked jewish"?
The visa is still legal unless it had a very specific clause about committing a crime and then deporting yourself, even if the person its held by has become a criminal.
Which means its still a "legal immigrant" and a problem that isn't being talked about enough.
Throw them out too.
The legal/illegal distinction is largely meaningless. It's simply taboo to say "I want to throw out all the foreigners". It's a completely normal opinion, but the media and cultural messaging for generations now has been "Oh but that's racist". We're finally hitting the tipping point where people don't care as much about being some flavor of -ist or -phobe.
auslander raus
Who here would be against this?
ETA: Antonio, of course lmao
I'm not happy with it because it's a free speech infringement. It's fine if you want the 'foreigners out', but can you do it in a way that doesn't damage free speech?
My principles and protections don't apply to non-Americans in the same unflinching status they do for actual citizens. If you want to become "one of us" you need to be on far better behavior than a regular idiotic Ameritard to get equal rights to him.
That was the entire purpose of how our immigration system was supposed to work, the best and brightest, and revoking it for failing basic behavioral tasks should be the case.
I'd say every nation on Earth should feel and act in the same manner regarding their own country.
Foreigners are subject to all kinds of provisions that it would be unlawful to subject American citizens to.
Yeah, but legal residents also have free speech rights. Or you could say: if you don't support Joe Biden, you'll be deported.
They don't have full free speech rights. Can't make a political donation.
No, they aren't US citizens.
I think this is a fair concern.
I'd also be content with a policy of "every foreigner has to leave and maybe we'll reassess that stance in a few years." Better to be up front about what we want. It's not like foreigners have any right to be here beyond our willingness to allow them in.
I’m assuming they would have to show some sort of financial connection or something. At least I hope. I it is annoying for someone on a visa to get here and be a whiny agitator but you would have to really specify what is meant by “support”
I mean yeah if we give you a student visa and you spend your time doing Hamas larp in the streets you should definitely be sent the fuck back home.
Basically if you are given a student visa and you do so much as inconvenience a natural born American citizen, you should be sent the fuck back home.
Imagine going to another country, you're not even a citizen, and start doing political agitation over there.
Exactly. I’m sure if I spent the Christmas season in Saudi Arabia and demanded they sto0 celebrating Ramadan to appease me, well. I would probably not be around very long
cool it with antisemitic remarks
I'm sure this will in some cases be applied more broadly than I personally prefer but...non-citizens. Can't make an omelets without breaking a few eggs. We've catered to non-Americans for long enough, I'm not going to sleep poorly just because some leftist protestors got shipped out of the country.
A lot of spots open in Columbia too. Free travel, too!
Imagine having to explain to our posterity that we had to issue an order to deport foreign terrorist supporters from our own country. Our kids are going to accidentally gaslight us.
"Deport terrorist supporters? That seems kinda obvious, grandpa Giz."
"Boy, they thought women had penises."
"... wat? No one thinks that."
"YES THEY DID! My employer told me this! The doctors told us this!"
"Mom! Grandpa's being senile again!"
"NO GOD DAMNIT IT REALLY HAPPENED! THEY FILLED PLAYGROUNDS WITH SAND AND SAID THAT NATURAL IMMUNITY WAS GENOCIDE!"
"Dad, just relax and have some water."
"THEY PUT FLORIDE IN THE WATER! THEY MADE THE FREAKIN' FROGS GAY! GOD DAMN FABIANS!"
Dude, the government has labeled people as terrorists in this country for thinking that schools shouldn’t cut the dicks off of kids without their parent’s permission. You should be a bit more circumspect…
Sure, but normally with such situations there has to be classified and demarked terrorist groups. The FBI didn't label those people terrorist, just potential recruits for anti-government radicalism that could lead to them becoming terrorists or being recruited by the explicit terrorist groups that I talked about.
I think it's okay to deport people who aren't citizens who support terrorism. Our fight is not on deporting terrorist sympathizers, but what counts as a terrorist group.
Well, my main point is that “the label ‘terrorist’ applies to anyone the government doesn’t like”.
The founding fathers were “terrorists” to the British monarchy
Jesus was a “terrorist” to the pharisees
And so on
I agree, but that's just always going to be a fight for any situation where the government creates a category. Either we fight on the definition of the category forever, or we abolish the category entirely.
Honestly I’m not even sure the category of “terrorist” is a valuable one. It’s just “random murder/acts of violence for ideological reasons” and murder/violence is already illegal
I’m not sure how much, if at all, someone’s “ideology” should factor into whether or not they are punished for their actions
We managed just fine for 250+ years without the concept of “terrorism”
Actually terrorism goes back over 100 years. It's specifically ideologically & politically motivated generalized violence against the general population to coerce political outcomes.
Terrorism, specifically unaffiliated with government actors, should be a category.
Akshully if you want to get technical, records of acts of terrorism go back millennia, and in fact a familiar name shows up even back then
:)
https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9781403978585_3
Hell, why exclude the government actors? They’re the number one cause of terrorism as far as I can tell.
I'm starting to get the feeling Trump got in to be a Judas goat. I'm truly starting to get concerned
How is support defined?
That’s what I’m wondering. I’m assuming they have to prove some sort of financial connection or something
Lol Zionists can't let Americans have a single win without getting something for themselves.
I wonder how much longer until this expands to include actual citizens?
All Hamas supporters can go "free Palestine" for real over there
We weren't allowed to do that before?
How about deporting non-citizens who support terrorist organizations like the Israeli Government?
...the fact there wasn't an EO or other law on the books for that says a lot...
I like it. It's a privilege to be here, not a right. You can get deported in the middle east if you flip off the wrong local in traffic.
This shouldn't have to be news. This should be what normal policies do.
It's as if the people on this thread are completely different from the kind of person who normally frequents this website.
The hell are you talking about? There are like 3 names I don't recognize -- and that doesn't mean they're not regulars, just that I don't recognize them.
And no, I'm not going to stalk their profiles to check. That's something only an obsessive weirdo would do.
That's not what I meant. It's the fact that it's normally "yay Hamas", but the opposite here.
It's never been "yay Hamas." And it's always been Americans First.
For you. As for some other people here, they were cheering what Hamas did on Oct 7.
Show me where.
I've seen some people explaining the rationale (similar to any other conflict, such as why Russia went into Ukraine.) I've seen some "conspiracy theories;" again, similar to any other major event. But I saw practically no so-called "yay, Hamas!"
It's more than a year ago. I did a quick search but it's almost impossible to find stuff that far out. Let's be real though. Do you see much dispassionate 'explaining the rationale' when the subject is anything approaching Jews?
Fair enough. It was mostly rhetorical.
"Let's be real" isn't really an argument. And this will just go around and around anyway. Yeah, some people get irrational...on both sides. That's different than backing up your claim that people were cheering on Hamas. Plenty of people got accused of cheering on Hamas, sure. But that was mostly derangement from the other side, seeing any disagreement as "terrorist support."
Point is, no, I didn't see many people at all saying "good, go Hamas."
I don't think it's ever been "yay Hamas" here. I'd say that anyone cheering for that is the weird outsider. At the most you're gonna get regulars here with the stance of "glass the whole region and call it a day", but that's different to actually supporting a side in the endless sand dune conflicts.
There is plenty of room in my heart to hate multiple things at once.
I'll care more about Hamas when APPAC vets all my politicians and selects 90% of the cabinet (regardless of party) and primaries anybody who says anything mildly anti-Hamastic, while my politicians fly to Palastine to kiss a goat before taking office.
I certainly get the impression they're against one party with grossly inflated vehemence compared to the justifications they manage to offer for it.
"I hate Israel because I'm against FOREIGN AID". That's why I spend most of my waking hours yelling about Israel and Jews.
THey scream louder about jews because everyone is already willing to admit that Muslim wrongdoing is a thing but everyone sticks their heads in the sand if you suggest that Jewish wrongdoing is also a thing.
It's definitely possible to despise both groups and the troubles they bring with them to our shores.
It goes a little bit beyond "Jews can also do bad things", which no one disputes. Leaving aside for a moment the advocacy for Hitler, claims that everything and every place is controlled by Jews, there's a weird fixation on Jews grossly disproportionate to anything offered as a justification.
It is, but that's not really who I am talking about.
Hard disagree.
Exhibit A: All of the people on this board who have ever called someone a "stormfag".