While trying to ignore the immature people wishing evil on those who voted for Trump or people who didn’t go to work today (had to remind a cousin that I went to work when Obama was elected despite not voting for him or in 2020 despite not liking the result) I just had to think that it’s interesting what happens when you don’t have a “deadly virus” causing endless mail in votes.
Also in a sane world the media would re-examine itself. Like I saw so many “actually the economy under Biden is amazing and under Trump it was actually Obama’s economy”. Guess people ignored it
I think they were so desperate to stop Trump that they shortsightedly used ALL their tools to take 2020.
Why is it shortsighted? Because now Trump returns, vengeful, with a BIGGER mandate, a broader coalition of actual allies and the rats have been outed thanks to 2020. If they didn't cheat and Trump won 2020, he'd be stuck with Pence still and have turtleneck still in Senate control. Now he has Vance, RFK Jr, Elon and we can only hope Ron becomes Senate leader.
And Ron Paul said he would consult
Should put Ron in charge of the Fed so he can finally audit it.
You mean eliminate it.
Yes.
GIVE RON PAUL A KILL DOZER AND LET. HIM. COOK.
This gives me an erection. No homo.
Good point
RFK Jr would replace it with bitcoin.
The deep state won't allow them to do anything. They can always hire another shooter. One who won't miss this time. Ask Kennedys ghost how that went.
Killing him now would be the absolute worst thing they could do. Alive he is a lightning rod figurehead. Dying makes him a martyr.
Not to mention Vance is half his age and far more learned about all the shenanigans of the woke, compared to an ancient coot like Trump.
Killing Trump just puts an arguably stronger man in power, and preps him for 8 years of his own running in the future.
They're old men. Better to go out doing the right thing than dancing around it afraid.
The DS missed twice, and got foiled a third time.
They're out of tools man.
Honestly Trump should forget all his other policy proposals and focus 100% on dismantling the Washington machine. Nothing else matters. Last time he cut a bunch of deals, compromised, got "Yes, Minister"'d on everything, and once he was out they reverted all his policies instantly. Not again.
Obama and Bush built all this in 16 years, Trump only has 4 to tear it down. It's not about getting a tax cut now it's about winning all the next races to come. Well, here's hoping.
The very first thing I would ask him to do is free the J6'ers. And have the people responsible for sending them to the gulag and the people who mistreated them getting the same treatment for four years.
Nothing bad enough happened on J6 for anyone to deserve a year in prison (much less the intervening amount of time). What usually happens to people who fight with cops? Anyways, their sentences could be commuted.
He has to make sure the voter base (us) AND the people he converted are willing to go up to bat for the next guy. So he's gonna have to dismantle the DS and get policies done for our struggling working and middle class.
Trump is certainly better prepared now. He has had four years to get ready to rule.
Genuinely, in the long run, we are going to benefit more from Trump having lost 2020, than if he had won.
I expect glowies to go overdrive and act abruptly, but some will sell themselves by procuring evidence to make some head rolls
I'm more interested what happened with the other 13 millions votes Biden got? Some are do to Kamala being off-putting but how many of those have been printed?
Exactly. Nobody questioned 81 million votes. And the media immediately acted like questioning an election was sacrilegious
Keep this in mind as you watch the media question the election in the coming days.
You can tell by how they're all putting up paywalls that the media has become narrowly focused on their most hard core users. Who will eat up whatever they have to say.
This is the right answer. Explain that fucking massive discrepancy, and continue to tell me 2020 wasn't cheated.
They've not finished counting yet.
Unlimited fraud in California because nobody cares about the numbers they submit
To what end, though?
My guess is winning the popular vote to keep that talking point alive
If anyone did have to care about California vote-by-vote, I think their dysfunction would put the current battleground states to shame. Arizona is one of the worst, and that's just on account of being half Californians.
The shitposting answer is they all took the vaxx and died suddenly because they trusted The Science™ after listening to the current and outgoing administration.
15-20 million less votes. How many stories were there of ballots being run through the machines multiple times?
Like I'm supposed to believe 20 million people who vehemently hated Trump enough to elect a potato teetering on the edge of death just decided to stay home four years later.
Hey, MSNBC and CNN assured me I was crazy for being slightly suspicious
Somwhere between 12 to 16 million votes that were there in 2020 disappeared in 2024.
I wonder what happened there.
Those were Covid deaths. Every single one of them. No, they weren't Democrats, Democrats got all their shots. Every single one of them. It was Trumpers. Who voted for Joe last time but are now dead. Because of Covid.
Printers ran out of yellow ink.
I knew it was rigged, but the amount it was rigged by might actually be in the millions, not the tens of thousands that I expected. I was thinking maybe, worst case, it was like 300,000.
ITs easy. STop the counts in swing states, check to see how many vote you "need" - then that number plus a few hundred arrive in a secure van in briefcases in the middle of the night.
The fewer people who see the process and in the fewer places you do it, the better, because an actual fraud scandal is game over. Have patsies who, in some cases, did get caught stopping the polls denying voters their rights to vote, can be thrown under the bus if shit goes bad in some places.
They could pull a few baby frauds off, but the 20 million voters thing, I don't think they could. Too many eyes would be on that plan - one whistleblower who leaks that plan would have way too much to gain . It wouldn't work.
They clearly stole 2020.
We have 2 years to remove electronic voting machines before they steal 2026.
No it's just Harris is exactly as bad as you think, and she repulsed millions of Democrats to either stay home, spoil their ballot, or vote R.
I think it really is that simple. Democrats can get behind Biden - he's not really that offensive, but Kamala is so bereft of competence, so obnoxious in the confidence that she deserves this, that voters were turned off completely.
I would argue Biden's fuckups probably pissed some independents off as well.
I will say though counting votes well after the election is a bad look.
I hold the <%1 minority view here that it was not rigged by massive by fraud, but by things like media bias, Big Tech censorship and ""intelligence"" community interference.
If they fabricated millions of ballots, it certainly cannot be proven. And if there was 'targeted fraud', it doesn't explain why Biden did so much better everywhere else. The above is very clear and obvious for all to see.
Biden's victory, or that it was close enough to rig, is very easy to explain. As is his likely defeat this year. It's the economy stupid. It was bad in 2020 due to Covid, so Trump was due to lose. It was bad this year due to terrible inflation, so the incumbent party loses.
You are not an american and you repeatedly ignored the evidence presented to your face.
Five states stop counting simultaneously, claim later proven fake emergencies, eject poll watchers and them begin counting with no oversight, and "ballot dumps" going extraordinarily heavily for biden during that period. The bellwether counties were nearly totally in Trump's favor. There were other statistical impossibilities as well, like Georgia's absentee ballots going overwhelmingly blue, when absentee ballots are mostly military which is heavy red.
Not just that, but most mail-in ballots were sent out illegally.
In some states it was legal to send out ballots without a signed request form, but in most it was not. In Texas the AG Ken Paxton filed 30 lawsuits against various counties that were doing this, and admitted he had to win them all to stop it. Losing one meant he would lose them all. He won, because it was blatantly illegal, and Texas stayed red.
Most states this went unchallenged because the executive were in on it. All those ballots are de facto fraudulent and legally must be discarded (but weren't). Remove the mail ins, Biden loses in a landslide.
The courts never tried the case or reviewed evidence due to lack of "standing," which essentially meant that stealing an election successfully can't be challenged. It can only be stopped ahead of time.
2020 was rigged and it's a matter of public record.
You got that right.
Not quite.
All circumstantial if true (which some of your claims certainly are, while others are based on misunderstandings). The point is, I'm not saying there was no fraud. Just that the kind of massive fraud that you guys claim, the ones that involve millions of ballots, is not quite as easy to pull of as you seem to think.
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/199hNw9MH6/you-need-to-be-a-retard-to-think/c/
You have seen this thread, you posted in it. The argument for Biden somehow getting that many votes despite having nonexistent levels of enthusiasm or support, was that while people didn't like Biden, they just hated Trump that much.
If that were true and there wasn't massive fraud, that would have played out the same way with likely even higher numbers. But now the anomalous millions of fraudulent fake votes are missing in action.
The evidence is overwhelming that there was massive fraud. And it wasn't an easy task, but they had captured federal institutions that refused to act to stop it or rectify it. A bunch of states literally signed onto a lawsuit saying "do not certify this fucked shit" and the supreme court refused to even hear the case - through cowardice. They claimed the states had no standing to sue over other states elections, when manipulating a federal election disenfranchises their citizens as well.
Ant. You were not paying attention in 2020 to the degree many of us were. You seem to think that common sense rule of law would have stopped such blatant fraud, because you didn't look at the data, the tens of hours of hearings, etc.
You are not following - the fact that it was so blatant, so demonstrative of how captured federal institutions were, is why somewhere around a MILLION people were in DC on jan 6th. That kind of mass movement of pissed off people across distances larger than your country probably several times over didn't come from just losing an election.
Didnt seem easy: they needed Judges in their corner in multiple states plus bad actors applying threats and unlawful prosecution and seizures. Also subduing the media corporations so that they function as their own mouthpiece, probably quite difficult. It will take a generation to rebuild that power.
I mean the media bias and big tech stuff was off the charts. Unfortunately counting ballots well after Election Day will draw suspicion from the losing side and Covid was a convenient way to do a lot
And kicking out poll watchers to "count" them in the middle of the night by running the same ballots through voting machines repeatedly while counting was supposed to be "stopped"... Then suing Guiliani for defamation for pointing it out and stealing all of his money and property to give it to two ghetto trash bitches.
Then courts refusing to hear a single case and throwing them all out on procedural grounds of standing or laches.
There were plenty of shenanigans. There's a possibility, obviously, that they all meant nothing and that the election was legitimate. But what it absolutely, 100%, was not, is credible.
Poll watchers should have rallied to physically block the 3am votes from entering the building instead of just backing off like little bitches
But for the press to act like it was crazy to find all that fishy.
A poll by a professional polling firm had 20% of 2020 mail-in voters saying they sent in a ballot for somebody else and 17% saying they voted in a state they didn't live in.
67 million Kamala * 1.2 = 80 million Biden votes. Biden got 81.2 million votes.
The 1.2 was only mail-in voters so this isn't an exact explanation, but it fits; only about half? of votes were mail-in, but some of these respondents may have voted more than one ballot for somebody else. Every state had a surge in mail-in/absentee ballots so this explains why Biden did better everywhere.
Democrats outsourced the cheating to individuals in their party with no morals and enabled them to cheat a ballot or two at a time.
This is the best explanation I know of for Biden's huge vote total. Big Tech, Media, and Deep State were interfering in this election even more although with the exception of Twitter/Rumble, but all the democrats I've seen were way more worked up about bogeyman Trump this time than 2020 so I can't see Twitter shifting 20 million votes. That's not a credible explanation.
I know of five instances of somebody voting with somebody else's ballot, once every election since 2016. Every time Dems tried to trot out that bullshit about there only being like ten cases of fraud since 2000 or whatever, it was so blatantly dishonest that it pissed me off about as effectively as if they had just straight up whipped me.
It wasn't the economy Trump was blamed for. It was both Covid and the Riots. That's what blew me away. He didn't do either of those things, but it was universally accepted that it was his fault. As if he caused both of them.
In the end, he lost some college educated whites, and some working class whites, and the riots genuinely hurt Trump more than Biden, even though the media said the riots weren't real.
Biden did improve. He did make gains against Trump, but not enough to win. the election.