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NPR: Masturbation abstinence is popular online. Doctors and therapists are worried (archive.is)
posted 2 years ago by ExtraCharger 2 years ago by ExtraCharger +36 / -0
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– 1776ReasonsWhy 49 points 2 years ago +49 / -0

Support group to stop drinking

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Support group to stop smoking

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Support group to stop doing drugs

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Support group to stop masturbating (as often)

WHITE SUPREMACY RACISM PSEUDOSCIENCE UNSUPPORTED CLAIMS FASCISM DEBUNKED CONSPIRACY THEORY ANTISEMETISM

What strange behavior. I'm sure there's nothing to it at all.

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– Careless_Ejaculator 10 points 2 years ago +10 / -0

Our leaders fear men with testosterone.

Mating with a tubesock flatlines testosterone.

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– ExtraCharger [S] 32 points 2 years ago +32 / -0

This is from February, so not particularly new, but I am posting now because I thought it was loosely related to the post on TikTok banning videos critical of birth control.

Abstinence a bad thing?

It tells you that the powers-that-be what people to be addicted to pornography, and masturbation and fornication. Sexual sins lead to other sins. For the individual, sexual sins lead to enslavement by those who control access to sex. If you want to be free, you need to be chaste.

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– Ricky_CIA 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

DANGER! THE GOY-SLOP IS LOSING EFFECTIVENESS!

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– SoctaticMethod1 28 points 2 years ago +28 / -0

It's another case of moderation is best than the two extremes of being a gooner and essentially putting a chastity belt on yourself.

If moderate, can help with prostate health and regulate other parts of the body. Just don't let it control your life either way.

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– OBRIENMUSTSUFFER 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

Only do it once a week to low-res cellphone footage of average-looking women touching themselves under their clothes.

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– I_Bent_My_Wookiee 16 points 2 years ago +16 / -0

I saw a wood-carving of a woman showing her ankles....

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– BandageBandolier 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Become an environmentally friendly coomer, only do it to trees that naturally grow to look kind of like an elbow

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– SoctaticMethod1 8 points 2 years ago +8 / -0

That's amateur, two times a week to AI porn of 2B poledancing! /s

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– 1776ReasonsWhy 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

Best I can do is Security Camera-chan dancing to Cruel Angel's Thesis remix.

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– acp_k2win 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

prostate health

This is fake news. Like most modern "science" the "study" was based on surveys which can be rigged to get any outcome.

Gay commies WANT you wanking and looking at porn. That alone is a good enough reason for you to not do it.

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– deleted 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0
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– ExtraCharger [S] 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

It's another case of moderation is best than the two extremes of being a gooner and essentially putting a chastity belt on yourself.

Spoken like someone enslaved to pornography and masturbation. Chastity through self-mastery nothing like "putting a chastity belt on yourself" because it's about practising discipline and freeing oneself from unwanted sexual urges. It's permanent post-nut clarity. Lustful thoughts might still come occasionally but they don't persist.

Just don't let it control your life either way.

How does "not doing something" control your life? You just don't do it. And then have time for other things.

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– SoctaticMethod1 16 points 2 years ago +16 / -0

How does "not doing something" control your life?

Not eating meat controls your life because you are purposely limiting nutrition options when it isn't medically required

Not exercising limits later mobility as you let muscles waste than keep them stimulated. Which ironically is this principle..

freeing oneself from unwanted sexual urges.

There's a difference between 'socially controlling sexual desires' and 'repressing natural sexual urges', the trick is one just requires you to ensure you get tasks you set out for yourself done and not wasting time with urges.

The other is repressing natural desires as you've seen the degenerate excess on display and believe any action that leads to self pleasure will end in the same result.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

There's a difference between 'socially controlling sexual desires' and 'repressing natural sexual urges', the trick is one just requires you to ensure you get tasks you set out for yourself done and not wasting time with urges.

The other is repressing natural desires as you've seen the degenerate excess on display and believe any action that leads to self pleasure will end in the same result.

We've all seen this argument play out with drugs and porn. Two points manifest in both cases:

  1. A percentage of individuals are capable of using the substance and living economically functional lives (your point)

  2. Society and culture at large can't handle the substance, which corrodes its foundations a little more every year (the opposing point)

Porn goes hand in hand with hookup culture. If you have one, then you basically have to have the other. They're products of the sexual revolution and they're enabling an apocalyptic death of male-female relationships that is dooming us to who knows what. I'm not leaving feminism out, either. I would go so far as to say that "sexual freedom" makes the rise of feminism inevitable. There's a reason why Jews fostered both of those things.

The advent of advanced AI porn will hopefully destroy the thot industry, which would be fantastic. But at the same time, if 13-year old me had the ability to generate a personal sexual fantasy of whatever I wanted, including girls from my real life, upgrading their rack too - and that tech will be here - I don't know if I would've ever had much of an interest in reality.

Now the natural objection is "so you want to ban porn." I don't know what the solution is. But we will have to confront the problem at some point because the Japanese extinction spiral is real, and as the last decade proved, it can happen faster than anyone would have predicted.

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– SoctaticMethod1 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

Japanese extinction spiral is real

China is losing population at a faster rate than Japan it's just there's more of them so harder to notice. I think porn is a small factor sure but a bigger reason is their work/life balance which is notoriously bad.

You're talking to someone who wants the pirn industry that uses people to make content to die but the one using drawing and art to continue as an outlet. We've been drawing tits, dicks and vaginas FOR MILLENIA, from cavemen to the renaissance, the problem really got worse when we started introducing filmed and having it portrayed through social media that it's 'normal' to be a slut.

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– Assassin47 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

a bigger reason is their work/life balance which is notoriously bad

Japanese extinction starts with the hikikomori (shut in), young people, mostly men, who have already given up the battle before they had a chance to join. You could imagine they know about poor work/life balance and are afraid of joining the adult world, but I find that hard to believe when they don't have any personal experience with it yet. It may be more related to school problems, but I wouldn't be surprised if porn has removed the will to fight from some of those boys.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

China is losing population at a faster rate than Japan it's just there's more of them so harder to notice. I think porn is a small factor sure but a bigger reason is their work/life balance which is notoriously bad.

Perhaps an even bigger factor in China's case is the cataclysmic consequences of the one-child policy, which caused an enormous imbalance of men compared to women. The simpbux potential of a woman is potentially even greater in China than the US in terms of number of customers. There are designated streamer zones in parks filled with women just talking to their phones.

You're talking to someone who wants the pirn industry that uses people to make content to die but the one using drawing and art to continue as an outlet. We've been drawing tits, dicks and vaginas FOR MILLENIA, from cavemen to the renaissance, the problem really got worse when we started introducing filmed and having it portrayed through social media that it's 'normal' to be a slut.

Triangular Kim Possible tits on a cave wall is not a porn industry. Also sorry, you probably missed my edit:

The advent of advanced AI porn will hopefully destroy the thot industry, which would be fantastic. But at the same time, if 13-year old me had the ability to generate a personal sexual fantasy of whatever I wanted, including girls from my real life, upgrading their rack too - and that tech will be here - I don't know if I would've ever had much of an interest in reality.

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– SoctaticMethod1 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Yeah missed that edit, I'd say that's a deeper problem in the West with AI art in general that they don't have a good reality/fantasy distinction. We still have people saying that there's more than two genders and that third world cultures can integrate into a first world (barely nowadays) society.

Perhaps an even bigger factor in China's case is the cataclysmic consequences of the one-child policy

That explains some of the larger disparity but put it this way, Japan doesn't have suicide nets outside their workplaces so I think the work/life balance is a key factor.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Yeah missed that edit, I'd say that's a deeper problem in the West with AI art in general that they don't have a good reality/fantasy distinction. We still have people saying that there's more than two genders and that third world cultures can integrate into a first world (barely nowadays) society.

Right, I remember this discussion about the prevalence of yaoi/yuri characters vs. the IRL Japanese attitude towards homosexuality. I think that's a good point, but some of the broad effects of porn, like increasing feminization of men and the collapse of normal sexual relations, can be seen in both Japan and the West. The problems will be worse over here, but we will end up sharing them.

That explains some of the larger disparity but put it this way, Japan doesn't have suicide nets outside their workplaces so I think the work/life balance is a key factor.

Yep that's true. Japan also has the same problem, the overwork and suicidal ideation, but it seems to a lesser degree.

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– ElmoHassel 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

So porn is the problem, not masturbation.

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

I don't think masturbation is a good habit, but in the absence of porn there are more natural brakes on it.

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– MargarineMongoose 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

The solution is something on the scale of the Butlerian Jihad. Technology has progressed too far and must be undone.

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– ExtraCharger [S] 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I'm not leaving feminism out, either. I would go so far as to say that "sexual freedom" makes the rise of feminism inevitable.

I agree with this. Women and feminists gain power from men using their sexuality. This only works at a wholesale level if sexual morality is diminished in society so that women are freely allowed to use sex to manipulate men. It should be clear from seeing men simping over women who dress like sluts, OnlyFans models etc., that part of the reason why women have some much power in Western societies is that they are freely able to use their sexuality to control men.

As a corollary to this is that, the solution to overcoming feminism is reimposing sexual morality. At an individual level, men can make a dent by being chaste. Male chastity resists the ability of women to manipulate men. A man who is chaste is able to resist simping for women. He will be able to stand up for what is right and act like a man, instead of being beholden to women (or whoever controls his access to sex and pornography).

This is the part of the reason I strongly promote sexuality morality and chastity to men. It's all very well to complain about society and feminists, but being chaste is actually something effective men can do about it.

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– ExtraCharger [S] 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Not eating meat controls your life because you are purposely limiting nutrition options when it isn't medically required

Not exercising limits later mobility as you let muscles waste than keep them stimulated. Which ironically is this principle..

This is a poor argument. You are taking something that needs to be done to survive - eating or exercising - and using that as an analogy for masturbation and pornography. Masturbation is not actually needed to survive, but what is most telling is that those that are supporting masturbation tend to imply that it is. This tells me that those supporting masturbation are actually enslaved by their sexual urges because they are unable to consider the possibility of going without.

There's a difference between 'socially controlling sexual desires' and 'repressing natural sexual urges'

LOL. Typical manipulative language. So "moderate masturbating" is "controlling sexual desires" but "abstinence from masturbation" is not a more effective means of "controlling sexual desires", but rather "repressing natural sexual urges", i.e. unnaturally repressing something that is "normal".

believe any action that leads to self pleasure will end in the same result.

Self pleasure is always a tends to a self reinforcing circle. To prove my point, here's a challenge for you: If you are truly in control of your sexual urges, stop masturbating for a month or two. It should be easy if your reason is in control, correct?

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– SoctaticMethod1 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Self pleasure is always a tends to a self reinforcing circle. To prove my point, here's a challenge for you: If you are truly in control of your sexual urges, stop masturbating for a month or two. It should be easy if your reason is in control, correct?

And you accuse ME of being manipulative. This is essentially 'do as I say to prove that I'm wrong but in the process prove you are easily manipulated into dying as you're told'

Listen, I'm the guy that when people are mass jumping off a cliff, I'm the motherfucker that pulls out a chair and eats popcorn to judge who makes the best splat. This is a clear technique used by parents to make kids do something which doesn't work on any but the most braindead of kids.

You want to live that way, go ahead but don't try this 'lol I'm so enlightened because I refuse to give in to my urges' crap because all that gets you is a collective piss off by the majority. We got enough of that from gaming we don't need the same from even basic bodily urges that you just need to moderate like rage.

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– ExtraCharger [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

And you accuse ME of being manipulative. This is essentially 'do as I say to prove that I'm wrong but in the process prove you are easily manipulated into dying as you're told'

How is that being manipulative? I'm simply pointing out the truth. You said that you are "controlling your sexual desires". Yet, your defensive response tells me that you are unable to stop giving in to them for even a few months. You are not actually in control of your sexual urges, despite your insistence otherwise. Your sexual urges are controlling you.

Those that practice abstinence are in control of their sexual urges. They are not "repressing natural sexual urges", but using their reason to control sexual urges and their lives.

If you truly want to "control your sexual desires", then you need to practice abstinence.

If you don't want, to, so be it, it is your life. But don't tell people you are controlling your sexual desires when you are not.

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– SoctaticMethod1 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Those that practice abstinence are in control of their sexual urges. 

That worked SO well in schools and didn't just deliver kids to the left so easily along with culture loss too..

I really hope you aren't indicative of the churches in your area otherwise those kids aren't going to go to religion but the left...again..

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– ExtraCharger [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

That worked SO well in schools and didn't just deliver kids to the left so easily along with culture loss too..

I really hope you aren't indicative of the churches in your area otherwise those kids aren't going to go to religion but the left...again..

You are suggesting that it is necessary to condone pornography and masturbation to children to "get them on your side". You should really reflect on what you are saying here.

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– Vivs3rdSock 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0

NPR: Masturbation abstinence is popular online.

Not the heckin' coomers!

Doctors and therapists are worried

[x] Doubt, it will be various twitch thots worrying the simps aren't bringing the gibs as much, but in order to sound slightly less retarded the news reports will upscale the job titles to "Doctor" and "therapist" despite being being wildly unrelated to health at times and also easily "earned" at qualification printing presses these days.

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– Assassin47 12 points 2 years ago +12 / -0

One of the big downfalls of modern civilization is

  • you can make "experts" say anything

  • trust the "experts"

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– BandageBandolier 20 points 2 years ago +20 / -0

More recently, he got off his ADHD medication and realized it had been causing his erectile dysfunction, not pornography.

Do not. I repeat, DO NOT. Let them medicate your kids for "mental health" issues for any reason. The drugs barely fucking work for the absolute tiny minority that have actual psychoses, and they're far more likely pathologizing perfectly normal behaviour that would be far better treated with environmental and habit changes.

If you're not comfortable giving your kids cocaine because they "seem a little down", you shouldn't be comfortable giving your kids any of the cocktails of SSRI, anti-psychotics and anti-seizure meds they try to foist on them for shouting too loud either.

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– BandageBandolier 13 points 2 years ago +13 / -0

Man, this article is the shit pile that just keeps giving.

"We have historical evidence that white supremacist groups from 100 years ago were instructing men that they shouldn't masturbate in order to sort of maintain their virility and strength," said Burke

Motherfucker there's historical accounts in ancient India and China too, way more than 100 years ago. Those superstitions are as old as time, they're just trying to rebrand normal human behavior as white supremacy so they can go "look, the sky is falling, just like I was saying!"

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– Assassin47 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

superstitions

The most amusing thing to me about that quote is the implication that those ancient traditions actually worked, and the soy-fags are afraid.

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– when_we_win_remember 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

I told my wife about nofap, and she was skeptical, and I said: This is some of the oldest woo in the world.

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– FatalConceit 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

If you abstain too long you'll have a nocturnal emission anyway. And prostate health is based on frequent usage - use it , or lose it

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– BandageBandolier 11 points 2 years ago +11 / -0

The human body is perfectly capable of recycling sperm without ejaculating. Nocturnal emissions (Such a stupid euphemism. They're not night farts and we're not in Victorian England, just call it wet dreams or sleep jizz and be done with it.) are far more likely hormone linked than masturbation linked, the correlation between masturbation freq and wet dreams is very weak, weaker even than the nofappers claims about it's correlation with T levels. What little correlation it does have is probably just due to the secondary effect masturbation habits can have on hormones and would disappear if you measured and controlled for hormonal changes. It is already known that for people prone to wet dreams masturbating more will likely have little effect and vice versa.

But it's understandable that you'd think that though, even NPR managed to find a quack MD to claim that abstinence will make that happen.

Same for the prostate health, the one study that suggested a health benefit was weak, and later studies have failed for find any correlation within normal populations.

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– ExtraCharger [S] 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

If you abstain too long you'll have a nocturnal emission anyway.

Noctural emissions are not under conscious control so don't count as sexual sins.

And prostate health is based on frequent usage - use it , or lose it

Pretty much what the article argues. "Doctors and therapists" are, like you, worried that men might abstain from fornication and masturbation. In the interests of "prostate health", of course. No rationalization or seeking to keep men enslaved to the pursuit of orgasms. Definitely not.

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– FatalConceit 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

I don't care if you do or don't - most of us don't have to - but for many who don't have a wife or girlfriend there's only one solution - i mean you're not advocating hookers are you ? or just a good rub n tug at the korean parlour?

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– SturmMilfEnthusiast 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Not at all. He has very narrow requirements for what constitutes an ethical orgasm, if you're even allowed that much.

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– current_horror 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Your primary identity as a “gamer” now also includes “chronic masturbator”. These are your primary values. This is who you are.

I suppose “hedonism” mostly covers it.

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– ExtraCharger [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

there's only one solution - i mean you're not advocating hookers are you

?? You don't have to have sex or masturbate. You can just not do it and have a good a life. As I said elsewhere, what is revealing about those who support masturbation is they tend to tell people that "abstinence is impossible", which tells me that they are clearly enslaved by they sexual urges, and definitely not in control of them.

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– FatalConceit 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

enjoy your swollen prostate

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– ExtraCharger [S] 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Ah yes. This is why all those saints who were chaste virgins throughout the ages were deeply troubled by their "swollen prostate glands". It is a well known, fact, of course. Proven by Modern Science.

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– You_Are_Based 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

It's for the same reason they say high fructose corn syrup and industrial-processed seed oils are fine or even good for you.

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– acp_k2win 7 points 2 years ago +7 / -0

zero is the optimal number

Wanking and porn unbalances you hormone system and makes the rest of life worse.

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– DistilledLife 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Masterbation only partially placates a man, as the emotions from lack of progeny and pair bonding are still present. Receiving sex placates him some more (the Enkidu gambit sort of works but I don't believe it fully does), while achieving his biological imperative of progeny fully placates him until tyranny endangers his own.

They are using the medical industry as a prop. Tyrants fear abstinence in single men because that unreleased sexual energy has to go somewhere and will be harnnessed somehow. It can cause him to turn to criminal action, Or make moves to disrupt and change society. I would say they fear bachelor volcels the most (claiming "incels" are a threat is just a cover) because such men may either acquire resources to which the government believes belongs to them alone and fear it being used against them, or such men geomaxx and the government loses another tax slave for their house of cards.

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