It's another case of moderation is best than the two extremes of being a gooner and essentially putting a chastity belt on yourself.
Spoken like someone enslaved to pornography and masturbation. Chastity through self-mastery nothing like "putting a chastity belt on yourself" because it's about practising discipline and freeing oneself from unwanted sexual urges. It's permanent post-nut clarity. Lustful thoughts might still come occasionally but they don't persist.
Just don't let it control your life either way.
How does "not doing something" control your life? You just don't do it. And then have time for other things.
Not eating meat controls your life because you are purposely limiting nutrition options when it isn't medically required
Not exercising limits later mobility as you let muscles waste than keep them stimulated. Which ironically is this principle..
freeing oneself from unwanted sexual urges.
There's a difference between 'socially controlling sexual desires' and 'repressing natural sexual urges', the trick is one just requires you to ensure you get tasks you set out for yourself done and not wasting time with urges.
The other is repressing natural desires as you've seen the degenerate excess on display and believe any action that leads to self pleasure will end in the same result.
There's a difference between 'socially controlling sexual desires' and 'repressing natural sexual urges', the trick is one just requires you to ensure you get tasks you set out for yourself done and not wasting time with urges.
The other is repressing natural desires as you've seen the degenerate excess on display and believe any action that leads to self pleasure will end in the same result.
We've all seen this argument play out with drugs and porn. Two points manifest in both cases:
A percentage of individuals are capable of using the substance and living economically functional lives (your point)
Society and culture at large can't handle the substance, which corrodes its foundations a little more every year (the opposing point)
Porn goes hand in hand with hookup culture. If you have one, then you basically have to have the other. They're products of the sexual revolution and they're enabling an apocalyptic death of male-female relationships that is dooming us to who knows what. I'm not leaving feminism out, either. I would go so far as to say that "sexual freedom" makes the rise of feminism inevitable. There's a reason why Jews fostered both of those things.
The advent of advanced AI porn will hopefully destroy the thot industry, which would be fantastic. But at the same time, if 13-year old me had the ability to generate a personal sexual fantasy of whatever I wanted, including girls from my real life, upgrading their rack too - and that tech will be here - I don't know if I would've ever had much of an interest in reality.
Now the natural objection is "so you want to ban porn." I don't know what the solution is. But we will have to confront the problem at some point because the Japanese extinction spiral is real, and as the last decade proved, it can happen faster than anyone would have predicted.
China is losing population at a faster rate than Japan it's just there's more of them so harder to notice. I think porn is a small factor sure but a bigger reason is their work/life balance which is notoriously bad.
You're talking to someone who wants the pirn industry that uses people to make content to die but the one using drawing and art to continue as an outlet. We've been drawing tits, dicks and vaginas FOR MILLENIA, from cavemen to the renaissance, the problem really got worse when we started introducing filmed and having it portrayed through social media that it's 'normal' to be a slut.
a bigger reason is their work/life balance which is notoriously bad
Japanese extinction starts with the hikikomori (shut in), young people, mostly men, who have already given up the battle before they had a chance to join. You could imagine they know about poor work/life balance and are afraid of joining the adult world, but I find that hard to believe when they don't have any personal experience with it yet. It may be more related to school problems, but I wouldn't be surprised if porn has removed the will to fight from some of those boys.
China is losing population at a faster rate than Japan it's just there's more of them so harder to notice. I think porn is a small factor sure but a bigger reason is their work/life balance which is notoriously bad.
Perhaps an even bigger factor in China's case is the cataclysmic consequences of the one-child policy, which caused an enormous imbalance of men compared to women. The simpbux potential of a woman is potentially even greater in China than the US in terms of number of customers. There are designated streamer zones in parks filled with women just talking to their phones.
You're talking to someone who wants the pirn industry that uses people to make content to die but the one using drawing and art to continue as an outlet. We've been drawing tits, dicks and vaginas FOR MILLENIA, from cavemen to the renaissance, the problem really got worse when we started introducing filmed and having it portrayed through social media that it's 'normal' to be a slut.
Triangular Kim Possible tits on a cave wall is not a porn industry. Also sorry, you probably missed my edit:
The advent of advanced AI porn will hopefully destroy the thot industry, which would be fantastic. But at the same time, if 13-year old me had the ability to generate a personal sexual fantasy of whatever I wanted, including girls from my real life, upgrading their rack too - and that tech will be here - I don't know if I would've ever had much of an interest in reality.
I'm not leaving feminism out, either. I would go so far as to say that "sexual freedom" makes the rise of feminism inevitable.
I agree with this. Women and feminists gain power from men using their sexuality. This only works at a wholesale level if sexual morality is diminished in society so that women are freely allowed to use sex to manipulate men. It should be clear from seeing men simping over women who dress like sluts, OnlyFans models etc., that part of the reason why women have some much power in Western societies is that they are freely able to use their sexuality to control men.
As a corollary to this is that, the solution to overcoming feminism is reimposing sexual morality. At an individual level, men can make a dent by being chaste. Male chastity resists the ability of women to manipulate men. A man who is chaste is able to resist simping for women. He will be able to stand up for what is right and act like a man, instead of being beholden to women (or whoever controls his access to sex and pornography).
This is the part of the reason I strongly promote sexuality morality and chastity to men. It's all very well to complain about society and feminists, but being chaste is actually something effective men can do about it.
Not eating meat controls your life because you are purposely limiting nutrition options when it isn't medically required
Not exercising limits later mobility as you let muscles waste than keep them stimulated. Which ironically is this principle..
This is a poor argument. You are taking something that needs to be done to survive - eating or exercising - and using that as an analogy for masturbation and pornography. Masturbation is not actually needed to survive, but what is most telling is that those that are supporting masturbation tend to imply that it is. This tells me that those supporting masturbation are actually enslaved by their sexual urges because they are unable to consider the possibility of going without.
There's a difference between 'socially controlling sexual desires' and 'repressing natural sexual urges'
LOL. Typical manipulative language. So "moderate masturbating" is "controlling sexual desires" but "abstinence from masturbation" is not a more effective means of "controlling sexual desires", but rather "repressing natural sexual urges", i.e. unnaturally repressing something that is "normal".
believe any action that leads to self pleasure will end in the same result.
Self pleasure is always a tends to a self reinforcing circle. To prove my point, here's a challenge for you: If you are truly in control of your sexual urges, stop masturbating for a month or two. It should be easy if your reason is in control, correct?
Self pleasure is always a tends to a self reinforcing circle. To prove my point, here's a challenge for you: If you are truly in control of your sexual urges, stop masturbating for a month or two. It should be easy if your reason is in control, correct?
And you accuse ME of being manipulative. This is essentially 'do as I say to prove that I'm wrong but in the process prove you are easily manipulated into dying as you're told'
Listen, I'm the guy that when people are mass jumping off a cliff, I'm the motherfucker that pulls out a chair and eats popcorn to judge who makes the best splat. This is a clear technique used by parents to make kids do something which doesn't work on any but the most braindead of kids.
You want to live that way, go ahead but don't try this 'lol I'm so enlightened because I refuse to give in to my urges' crap because all that gets you is a collective piss off by the majority. We got enough of that from gaming we don't need the same from even basic bodily urges that you just need to moderate like rage.
And you accuse ME of being manipulative. This is essentially 'do as I say to prove that I'm wrong but in the process prove you are easily manipulated into dying as you're told'
How is that being manipulative? I'm simply pointing out the truth. You said that you are "controlling your sexual desires". Yet, your defensive response tells me that you are unable to stop giving in to them for even a few months. You are not actually in control of your sexual urges, despite your insistence otherwise. Your sexual urges are controlling you.
Those that practice abstinence are in control of their sexual urges. They are not "repressing natural sexual urges", but using their reason to control sexual urges and their lives.
If you truly want to "control your sexual desires", then you need to practice abstinence.
If you don't want, to, so be it, it is your life. But don't tell people you are controlling your sexual desires when you are not.
Spoken like someone enslaved to pornography and masturbation. Chastity through self-mastery nothing like "putting a chastity belt on yourself" because it's about practising discipline and freeing oneself from unwanted sexual urges. It's permanent post-nut clarity. Lustful thoughts might still come occasionally but they don't persist.
How does "not doing something" control your life? You just don't do it. And then have time for other things.
Not eating meat controls your life because you are purposely limiting nutrition options when it isn't medically required
Not exercising limits later mobility as you let muscles waste than keep them stimulated. Which ironically is this principle..
There's a difference between 'socially controlling sexual desires' and 'repressing natural sexual urges', the trick is one just requires you to ensure you get tasks you set out for yourself done and not wasting time with urges.
The other is repressing natural desires as you've seen the degenerate excess on display and believe any action that leads to self pleasure will end in the same result.
We've all seen this argument play out with drugs and porn. Two points manifest in both cases:
A percentage of individuals are capable of using the substance and living economically functional lives (your point)
Society and culture at large can't handle the substance, which corrodes its foundations a little more every year (the opposing point)
Porn goes hand in hand with hookup culture. If you have one, then you basically have to have the other. They're products of the sexual revolution and they're enabling an apocalyptic death of male-female relationships that is dooming us to who knows what. I'm not leaving feminism out, either. I would go so far as to say that "sexual freedom" makes the rise of feminism inevitable. There's a reason why Jews fostered both of those things.
The advent of advanced AI porn will hopefully destroy the thot industry, which would be fantastic. But at the same time, if 13-year old me had the ability to generate a personal sexual fantasy of whatever I wanted, including girls from my real life, upgrading their rack too - and that tech will be here - I don't know if I would've ever had much of an interest in reality.
Now the natural objection is "so you want to ban porn." I don't know what the solution is. But we will have to confront the problem at some point because the Japanese extinction spiral is real, and as the last decade proved, it can happen faster than anyone would have predicted.
China is losing population at a faster rate than Japan it's just there's more of them so harder to notice. I think porn is a small factor sure but a bigger reason is their work/life balance which is notoriously bad.
You're talking to someone who wants the pirn industry that uses people to make content to die but the one using drawing and art to continue as an outlet. We've been drawing tits, dicks and vaginas FOR MILLENIA, from cavemen to the renaissance, the problem really got worse when we started introducing filmed and having it portrayed through social media that it's 'normal' to be a slut.
Japanese extinction starts with the hikikomori (shut in), young people, mostly men, who have already given up the battle before they had a chance to join. You could imagine they know about poor work/life balance and are afraid of joining the adult world, but I find that hard to believe when they don't have any personal experience with it yet. It may be more related to school problems, but I wouldn't be surprised if porn has removed the will to fight from some of those boys.
Perhaps an even bigger factor in China's case is the cataclysmic consequences of the one-child policy, which caused an enormous imbalance of men compared to women. The simpbux potential of a woman is potentially even greater in China than the US in terms of number of customers. There are designated streamer zones in parks filled with women just talking to their phones.
Triangular Kim Possible tits on a cave wall is not a porn industry. Also sorry, you probably missed my edit:
So porn is the problem, not masturbation.
I don't think masturbation is a good habit, but in the absence of porn there are more natural brakes on it.
I agree with this. Women and feminists gain power from men using their sexuality. This only works at a wholesale level if sexual morality is diminished in society so that women are freely allowed to use sex to manipulate men. It should be clear from seeing men simping over women who dress like sluts, OnlyFans models etc., that part of the reason why women have some much power in Western societies is that they are freely able to use their sexuality to control men.
As a corollary to this is that, the solution to overcoming feminism is reimposing sexual morality. At an individual level, men can make a dent by being chaste. Male chastity resists the ability of women to manipulate men. A man who is chaste is able to resist simping for women. He will be able to stand up for what is right and act like a man, instead of being beholden to women (or whoever controls his access to sex and pornography).
This is the part of the reason I strongly promote sexuality morality and chastity to men. It's all very well to complain about society and feminists, but being chaste is actually something effective men can do about it.
The solution is something on the scale of the Butlerian Jihad. Technology has progressed too far and must be undone.
This is a poor argument. You are taking something that needs to be done to survive - eating or exercising - and using that as an analogy for masturbation and pornography. Masturbation is not actually needed to survive, but what is most telling is that those that are supporting masturbation tend to imply that it is. This tells me that those supporting masturbation are actually enslaved by their sexual urges because they are unable to consider the possibility of going without.
LOL. Typical manipulative language. So "moderate masturbating" is "controlling sexual desires" but "abstinence from masturbation" is not a more effective means of "controlling sexual desires", but rather "repressing natural sexual urges", i.e. unnaturally repressing something that is "normal".
Self pleasure is always a tends to a self reinforcing circle. To prove my point, here's a challenge for you: If you are truly in control of your sexual urges, stop masturbating for a month or two. It should be easy if your reason is in control, correct?
And you accuse ME of being manipulative. This is essentially 'do as I say to prove that I'm wrong but in the process prove you are easily manipulated into dying as you're told'
Listen, I'm the guy that when people are mass jumping off a cliff, I'm the motherfucker that pulls out a chair and eats popcorn to judge who makes the best splat. This is a clear technique used by parents to make kids do something which doesn't work on any but the most braindead of kids.
You want to live that way, go ahead but don't try this 'lol I'm so enlightened because I refuse to give in to my urges' crap because all that gets you is a collective piss off by the majority. We got enough of that from gaming we don't need the same from even basic bodily urges that you just need to moderate like rage.
How is that being manipulative? I'm simply pointing out the truth. You said that you are "controlling your sexual desires". Yet, your defensive response tells me that you are unable to stop giving in to them for even a few months. You are not actually in control of your sexual urges, despite your insistence otherwise. Your sexual urges are controlling you.
Those that practice abstinence are in control of their sexual urges. They are not "repressing natural sexual urges", but using their reason to control sexual urges and their lives.
If you truly want to "control your sexual desires", then you need to practice abstinence.
If you don't want, to, so be it, it is your life. But don't tell people you are controlling your sexual desires when you are not.