The argument they make is that the invasion doesn't actually replace the white people; just adds to them.
I find this a pointless thing to argue about.
Because it's not about our absolute numbers. It's about the quality of the culture that we live in.
To the extent that a leftist will have this argument with you, I think we shouldn't talk past each other. The invasion does actually suppress the white birthrate, because of competition for resources. And the browning of the population reduces the quality of life for everyone. This is theoretical, but if we actually let in masses of white people -- there are more than a few who want in -- I think it wouldn't be nearly as bad.
The argument they make is that the invasion doesn't actually replace the white people; just adds to them.
Just ask them why it's called "replacement immigration" instead of "addition immigration" or something like that. Odds are good it'll just fry their NPC brains and cause them to call you a nazi, but at least it should get them to shut up about it for a while.
I find this is quick, punchy and ends all arguments as it can't be argued against and is persuasive gold. The next thing that comes out of people's mouths after this is normally a personal attack or cognitive dissonance nonsense.
There is no such thing as 'magic soil'. It's just bullshit argument made - again - by extreme jewish leftists(Hello, Caplan!) who live in gated communities and have never been around immigrants, ever.
One example that sticks in my head is when I was talking to a friend of mine. His family is italian(there's alot around where I am), and there is a part of his family,* to this fucking day*, almost a fucking century after they immigrated that they do not interact with and know better than to try.
Why?
Cause they're involved in organized crime.
A fucking century.
Magic soil doesn't exist. Import a country, you get that country, and I don't want to live in another country.
The argument they make is that the invasion doesn't actually replace the white people; just adds to them.
They are right, but only in part.
They have no intention of replacing all white people, that is true. What they want is to create a Tower Of Bable civilization, where each ethnic, religious, sexual, or otherwise identitarian group is ruled by a party-boss system; where members of that group are entirely dependent on a single political machine to control any political or civic acts anyone in that group engages in. Then they want to institutionalize it.
They don't want to exterminate white people (at least most of them don't, only the large minority do, somewhere above 10%), they just want to turn the world into Lebanon.
The problem is that the Americanization of "white" means the term is already fluid and doesn't make sense. It's original use was more to describe the people of British descent. So, by definition, "white" being expanded out to include Spaniards, Russians, and literally the people of the Caucuses already changes the dynamic of who is white and who is mixed race.
On top of that, you already have white simply being adopted as a slur against mestizos. If you are mixed race, and politically approved: you're "brown", if you are mixed race and politically disapproved: you're "white". So, the entire political Left isn't even working with a definition of white that isn't simply just a slur and a stand-in for "bourgeoise". So, "pushing mestizos" doesn't make sense within their framework.
The crux of it seems to be that the open borders people don't understand what's going on. You propose a way to educate them. I also suggest that we could just stop listening to the uninformed. White, male landowners are already pretty based on immigration. Back in the day, we didn't need to house illegals in weird places to get the point across. Democracy as a decision making mechanism just didn't listen to the chronically-uninformed.
As fun as your proposal sounds, we can't have a government program to educate on every issue. If stupid people are voting, democracy is lost anyways. It is likely to be replaced some sort of authoritarian mechanism, because people will value safety over freedom when it comes down to it. We've seen that before.
For all I know, democracy is entirely untenable, but it seems like it really went sideways with the expansion of the franchise. I'd like to see us roll that back before we go straight into the government placing illegals in people's houses.
there are already tons of rules that supposed to ensure the quality of people we let in, none of them are enforced, until we have a functioning government that's not actively working against the citizens, none of the proposed measures matter anyway
The meme isn't even about white replacement. Which makes their response awfully suspicious to state when not even prompted. Almost like it's a guilty conscience.
If you are to look at this logically, you can’t just dismiss the whole white replacement idea when you see the media cheering the higher rates of minorities, the whole be less white nonsense combined with the recent garbage about decolonization from people who never lived in a colony. In the entertainment world they endlessly prattle on about reflecting the world we live in but if you did that then most characters in the U.S. and western world would be white since that is the majority population. The fact that they go out of their way to skew population data is pretty telling. I don’t even need to go into crime reporting and the “only whites can be racist” nonsense. I don’t see myself as a white supremacist at all but facts are facts. How you can see these things and say it’s a wild conspiracy theory is beyond me
Every time this topic comes up I say the same thing, but it bears repeating.
The final redpill on this topic that brought me across the diving line was simply watching home movies from when I was a child and noticing the demographics of the people in the town my parents still live in and how different they are now versus then.
Just casual things like "oh nearly everyone in my class was white; that probably wouldn't be the case anymore." "I don't remember this many white people at this amusement park when I was older." And so on.
And they're just tapes of random people out in public in my Anytown, USA home town: these aren't professional movies with casts where you could claim "well the casting directors were biased/racist". They're just moments of time (mostly) captured by my dad.
It's so obvious no one acting in good faith would be incapable of seeing the difference.
True, and I think the more sources of footage where it's obvious the better. But still I like home movies because it's just everyday slice of life footage taken by amateurs: the cameraphone recordings of their day.
You can't argue "Well the Blacks/Hispanics couldn't afford the concert tickets! And the cameraMEN wouldn't film them if they could" when it's just footage taken at your local city park by some rando with a camcorder.
Someone fill in the details for me, but there was one reporter for like CNN or somewhere else major who got interviewed some years back and literally had in the background of their house a list counting down the White Percentage of America over the years.
It wasn't the subject of the interview, so either he just does that on his own or specifically put it up to brag. Either way proved on its own that these people do exist and are active in trying to push journalism in favor of it.
Pretty sure that pic also gets used as critique at the Bush administration and all the shit which followed like the patriot act and every other law getting rid of rights and increasing the spying/military capacity. But everyone who isnt far left or wants open borders must be a nazi/fascist.
Because I agree that people are mean, but I have too much empathy, I saved this article. The format was irritating at first. But, it shows why people aren't just turned away in vivid detail.
You don't need to reply to me that they made that choice. If you care to read an illegals story, I learned a few things I didn't previously know reading it.
I worked in U.S. immigration before and there are so many issues. I want to be empathetic of course but open borders is an insane position as well. I’ve talked to people who are here illegally since a lot of my jobs have included me knowing Spanish and spending time in heavily Hispanic areas
America traditionally has a refugee problem before a war that creates Muslim refuges. This new situation is extreme, and because of the pattern it surprised me how bad it's been intentionally allowed to get.
People keep saying it's for voting. What if it's for nuclear bomb refugees? Idk, Idl it. It's just bad, I agree with everyone. The problem is not a single thing in this world isn't co-opted. The good, and the bad are exactly the issue.
True. As a Christian I do my best to love everyone but I feel there is an agenda to flood western countries. My main annoyance is people who come to a new country and attack or crap on the country that took them in. When in Rome means nothing I guess. Or assimilation
The people that lived south of our border do assimilate. We have documented evidence that people from around the world are being allowed in through the southern border. Meanwhile the dude in a dress says trans rights is the highest security threat to America.
Yes. I never thought I’d see the day when Trans nonsense was celebrated. I have a lot of Hispanic friends here in Texas and yes they do tend to assimilate but so many others are using the southern border. Honestly some of the most hardcore anti illegal immigration ppl I’ve met have been Hispanic Texans
It's because they went through the process the correct way. My friend had their shit fucked up for 6+ months because the illegals have put everything behind. And, they know the South American politics better than we do.
You'd think if you told them they were going to turn America into Mexico, they'd not want that. Seeing as how they are fleeing. But they don't see that as a bad thing. I'm not sure why exactly they think America is richer than Mexico -- or whether they think about it -- but they imagine that it can be Better-Mexico.
There is some effect of wanting to be the last one in. Once them and their whole family get in, they might want to cut off immigration. However, they still vote Democrat, the party of open borders. Which indicates to me most haven't figured this out.
And I remember when I worked for immigration thinking what’s the point of having these processes when they see you letting anyone come in. But you make a great point
Were people always allowed to come in via any method and then claim asylum? Because it only seems to have come up recently. There must have been some mechanism to prevent abuse by the teeming masses of economic migrants. Unless migrants just couldn't figure it out.
I only got trained on the basics of asylum but from what i remember there were supposed to be vigorous interviews and background checks to make sure they were legit. Wanting a better life isn’t a qualification
Judas. Brutus. Evil incarnate. Your bleeding heart will cause blood to flow in the streets. Your betrayal of whites has earned you a place in the deepest pit of hell.
Because you are a traitor to the us. Defending evil incarnate. All of the iklegal alien parasites are criminals, murderers, thieves, terrorists, rapists here to steal/murder/rape Americans..
I hope abbott ships more of the illegal aliej vermin to your house and that the illegal alien turds culturally enrich you
I don't care about "an" illegal's story. I care about millions and millions of people pouring across the border, then being given hand-outs, then being immersed in a miasma of "white people are the reason your life sucks" propaganda.
I'm sure there are individual anecdotes with stories that suck. Would be great if we had a situation where they could be evaluated individually and granted asylum/visas based on their individual merits. But we don't have that, so they all need to fuck off.
Simultaneously "not happening, it's a good thing and you deserve it".
The argument they make is that the invasion doesn't actually replace the white people; just adds to them.
I find this a pointless thing to argue about.
Because it's not about our absolute numbers. It's about the quality of the culture that we live in.
To the extent that a leftist will have this argument with you, I think we shouldn't talk past each other. The invasion does actually suppress the white birthrate, because of competition for resources. And the browning of the population reduces the quality of life for everyone. This is theoretical, but if we actually let in masses of white people -- there are more than a few who want in -- I think it wouldn't be nearly as bad.
America is a representative democracy. Every immigrant dilutes the franchise for every citizen.
Also, the white population literally decreased from 2010 to 2020. By millions.
Just ask them why it's called "replacement immigration" instead of "addition immigration" or something like that. Odds are good it'll just fry their NPC brains and cause them to call you a nazi, but at least it should get them to shut up about it for a while.
https://archive.is/https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp
I find this is quick, punchy and ends all arguments as it can't be argued against and is persuasive gold. The next thing that comes out of people's mouths after this is normally a personal attack or cognitive dissonance nonsense.
I guess unless they're coherently making the magic soil argument.
There is no such thing as 'magic soil'. It's just bullshit argument made - again - by extreme jewish leftists(Hello, Caplan!) who live in gated communities and have never been around immigrants, ever.
One example that sticks in my head is when I was talking to a friend of mine. His family is italian(there's alot around where I am), and there is a part of his family,* to this fucking day*, almost a fucking century after they immigrated that they do not interact with and know better than to try.
Why?
Cause they're involved in organized crime.
A fucking century.
Magic soil doesn't exist. Import a country, you get that country, and I don't want to live in another country.
calling it "magic soil" is the best and simplest way I know how to point out the absurdity of that.
They are right, but only in part.
They have no intention of replacing all white people, that is true. What they want is to create a Tower Of Bable civilization, where each ethnic, religious, sexual, or otherwise identitarian group is ruled by a party-boss system; where members of that group are entirely dependent on a single political machine to control any political or civic acts anyone in that group engages in. Then they want to institutionalize it.
They don't want to exterminate white people (at least most of them don't, only the large minority do, somewhere above 10%), they just want to turn the world into Lebanon.
You know, a stable country...
I do think they want to make us all into Mestizos tho. Pushing Mestizos as white.
The problem is that the Americanization of "white" means the term is already fluid and doesn't make sense. It's original use was more to describe the people of British descent. So, by definition, "white" being expanded out to include Spaniards, Russians, and literally the people of the Caucuses already changes the dynamic of who is white and who is mixed race.
On top of that, you already have white simply being adopted as a slur against mestizos. If you are mixed race, and politically approved: you're "brown", if you are mixed race and politically disapproved: you're "white". So, the entire political Left isn't even working with a definition of white that isn't simply just a slur and a stand-in for "bourgeoise". So, "pushing mestizos" doesn't make sense within their framework.
The crux of it seems to be that the open borders people don't understand what's going on. You propose a way to educate them. I also suggest that we could just stop listening to the uninformed. White, male landowners are already pretty based on immigration. Back in the day, we didn't need to house illegals in weird places to get the point across. Democracy as a decision making mechanism just didn't listen to the chronically-uninformed.
As fun as your proposal sounds, we can't have a government program to educate on every issue. If stupid people are voting, democracy is lost anyways. It is likely to be replaced some sort of authoritarian mechanism, because people will value safety over freedom when it comes down to it. We've seen that before.
For all I know, democracy is entirely untenable, but it seems like it really went sideways with the expansion of the franchise. I'd like to see us roll that back before we go straight into the government placing illegals in people's houses.
Curtis Yarvan did a recent piece and mentioned this. Live in Johannesburg for a week.
Which part he mentioned?
This part
any immigrant needs a sponsor who is one hundred percent on the hook for their crimes.
there are already tons of rules that supposed to ensure the quality of people we let in, none of them are enforced, until we have a functioning government that's not actively working against the citizens, none of the proposed measures matter anyway
The meme isn't even about white replacement. Which makes their response awfully suspicious to state when not even prompted. Almost like it's a guilty conscience.
Your mistake is thinking their not proud of what they've destroyed.
If you are to look at this logically, you can’t just dismiss the whole white replacement idea when you see the media cheering the higher rates of minorities, the whole be less white nonsense combined with the recent garbage about decolonization from people who never lived in a colony. In the entertainment world they endlessly prattle on about reflecting the world we live in but if you did that then most characters in the U.S. and western world would be white since that is the majority population. The fact that they go out of their way to skew population data is pretty telling. I don’t even need to go into crime reporting and the “only whites can be racist” nonsense. I don’t see myself as a white supremacist at all but facts are facts. How you can see these things and say it’s a wild conspiracy theory is beyond me
Every time this topic comes up I say the same thing, but it bears repeating.
The final redpill on this topic that brought me across the diving line was simply watching home movies from when I was a child and noticing the demographics of the people in the town my parents still live in and how different they are now versus then.
Just casual things like "oh nearly everyone in my class was white; that probably wouldn't be the case anymore." "I don't remember this many white people at this amusement park when I was older." And so on.
And they're just tapes of random people out in public in my Anytown, USA home town: these aren't professional movies with casts where you could claim "well the casting directors were biased/racist". They're just moments of time (mostly) captured by my dad.
It's so obvious no one acting in good faith would be incapable of seeing the difference.
Music concert crowd footage from the 70s and 80s makes it clear as day.
/so much damage done in just 40 years.
True, and I think the more sources of footage where it's obvious the better. But still I like home movies because it's just everyday slice of life footage taken by amateurs: the cameraphone recordings of their day.
You can't argue "Well the Blacks/Hispanics couldn't afford the concert tickets! And the cameraMEN wouldn't film them if they could" when it's just footage taken at your local city park by some rando with a camcorder.
Someone fill in the details for me, but there was one reporter for like CNN or somewhere else major who got interviewed some years back and literally had in the background of their house a list counting down the White Percentage of America over the years.
It wasn't the subject of the interview, so either he just does that on his own or specifically put it up to brag. Either way proved on its own that these people do exist and are active in trying to push journalism in favor of it.
You're thinking of the SPLC's Mark Potok.
I think it was the (director) of southern poverty law center
Absolutely. Main reason you can’t dismiss it. Journalism cheers it on
Similar cycle to when I started noticing more and more lgbt stuff in tv and movies and people were telling me I was just seeing things
These retards live in so many layers of Irony... I just can't.
every comment is downvoted, is there an open border lurker that's just seething?
Pretty sure that pic also gets used as critique at the Bush administration and all the shit which followed like the patriot act and every other law getting rid of rights and increasing the spying/military capacity. But everyone who isnt far left or wants open borders must be a nazi/fascist.
Oh it's happening and part of the plan is to make sure no White can bring attention to it unless it's to say "it's a good thing"
Because I agree that people are mean, but I have too much empathy, I saved this article. The format was irritating at first. But, it shows why people aren't just turned away in vivid detail.
https://projects.apnews.com/features/2023/africa-europe-migration-senegal-spain-investigation/index.html
You don't need to reply to me that they made that choice. If you care to read an illegals story, I learned a few things I didn't previously know reading it.
I worked in U.S. immigration before and there are so many issues. I want to be empathetic of course but open borders is an insane position as well. I’ve talked to people who are here illegally since a lot of my jobs have included me knowing Spanish and spending time in heavily Hispanic areas
America traditionally has a refugee problem before a war that creates Muslim refuges. This new situation is extreme, and because of the pattern it surprised me how bad it's been intentionally allowed to get.
People keep saying it's for voting. What if it's for nuclear bomb refugees? Idk, Idl it. It's just bad, I agree with everyone. The problem is not a single thing in this world isn't co-opted. The good, and the bad are exactly the issue.
True. As a Christian I do my best to love everyone but I feel there is an agenda to flood western countries. My main annoyance is people who come to a new country and attack or crap on the country that took them in. When in Rome means nothing I guess. Or assimilation
The people that lived south of our border do assimilate. We have documented evidence that people from around the world are being allowed in through the southern border. Meanwhile the dude in a dress says trans rights is the highest security threat to America.
Yes. I never thought I’d see the day when Trans nonsense was celebrated. I have a lot of Hispanic friends here in Texas and yes they do tend to assimilate but so many others are using the southern border. Honestly some of the most hardcore anti illegal immigration ppl I’ve met have been Hispanic Texans
It's because they went through the process the correct way. My friend had their shit fucked up for 6+ months because the illegals have put everything behind. And, they know the South American politics better than we do.
You'd think if you told them they were going to turn America into Mexico, they'd not want that. Seeing as how they are fleeing. But they don't see that as a bad thing. I'm not sure why exactly they think America is richer than Mexico -- or whether they think about it -- but they imagine that it can be Better-Mexico.
There is some effect of wanting to be the last one in. Once them and their whole family get in, they might want to cut off immigration. However, they still vote Democrat, the party of open borders. Which indicates to me most haven't figured this out.
And I remember when I worked for immigration thinking what’s the point of having these processes when they see you letting anyone come in. But you make a great point
Were people always allowed to come in via any method and then claim asylum? Because it only seems to have come up recently. There must have been some mechanism to prevent abuse by the teeming masses of economic migrants. Unless migrants just couldn't figure it out.
I only got trained on the basics of asylum but from what i remember there were supposed to be vigorous interviews and background checks to make sure they were legit. Wanting a better life isn’t a qualification
Judas. Brutus. Evil incarnate. Your bleeding heart will cause blood to flow in the streets. Your betrayal of whites has earned you a place in the deepest pit of hell.
Your closed heart will do more harm. But, you're too blinded with hate to see or care.
Because you are a traitor to the us. Defending evil incarnate. All of the iklegal alien parasites are criminals, murderers, thieves, terrorists, rapists here to steal/murder/rape Americans.. I hope abbott ships more of the illegal aliej vermin to your house and that the illegal alien turds culturally enrich you
Stfu. The evil incarnate is the divide, and conquer. You're participating.
All it takes is a little heartstring pulling propaganda to get bleeding heart morons like this to buy into the downfall of their own race and country.
Absolutely. Pathetic.
Yes, you are pathetic. You can maintain your humanity while still wanting the border closed. Not you specifically, clearly.
I don't care about "an" illegal's story. I care about millions and millions of people pouring across the border, then being given hand-outs, then being immersed in a miasma of "white people are the reason your life sucks" propaganda.
I'm sure there are individual anecdotes with stories that suck. Would be great if we had a situation where they could be evaluated individually and granted asylum/visas based on their individual merits. But we don't have that, so they all need to fuck off.