The argument they make is that the invasion doesn't actually replace the white people; just adds to them.
I find this a pointless thing to argue about.
Because it's not about our absolute numbers. It's about the quality of the culture that we live in.
To the extent that a leftist will have this argument with you, I think we shouldn't talk past each other. The invasion does actually suppress the white birthrate, because of competition for resources. And the browning of the population reduces the quality of life for everyone. This is theoretical, but if we actually let in masses of white people -- there are more than a few who want in -- I think it wouldn't be nearly as bad.
The argument they make is that the invasion doesn't actually replace the white people; just adds to them.
Just ask them why it's called "replacement immigration" instead of "addition immigration" or something like that. Odds are good it'll just fry their NPC brains and cause them to call you a nazi, but at least it should get them to shut up about it for a while.
I find this is quick, punchy and ends all arguments as it can't be argued against and is persuasive gold. The next thing that comes out of people's mouths after this is normally a personal attack or cognitive dissonance nonsense.
There is no such thing as 'magic soil'. It's just bullshit argument made - again - by extreme jewish leftists(Hello, Caplan!) who live in gated communities and have never been around immigrants, ever.
One example that sticks in my head is when I was talking to a friend of mine. His family is italian(there's alot around where I am), and there is a part of his family,* to this fucking day*, almost a fucking century after they immigrated that they do not interact with and know better than to try.
Why?
Cause they're involved in organized crime.
A fucking century.
Magic soil doesn't exist. Import a country, you get that country, and I don't want to live in another country.
The argument they make is that the invasion doesn't actually replace the white people; just adds to them.
They are right, but only in part.
They have no intention of replacing all white people, that is true. What they want is to create a Tower Of Bable civilization, where each ethnic, religious, sexual, or otherwise identitarian group is ruled by a party-boss system; where members of that group are entirely dependent on a single political machine to control any political or civic acts anyone in that group engages in. Then they want to institutionalize it.
They don't want to exterminate white people (at least most of them don't, only the large minority do, somewhere above 10%), they just want to turn the world into Lebanon.
The problem is that the Americanization of "white" means the term is already fluid and doesn't make sense. It's original use was more to describe the people of British descent. So, by definition, "white" being expanded out to include Spaniards, Russians, and literally the people of the Caucuses already changes the dynamic of who is white and who is mixed race.
On top of that, you already have white simply being adopted as a slur against mestizos. If you are mixed race, and politically approved: you're "brown", if you are mixed race and politically disapproved: you're "white". So, the entire political Left isn't even working with a definition of white that isn't simply just a slur and a stand-in for "bourgeoise". So, "pushing mestizos" doesn't make sense within their framework.
The crux of it seems to be that the open borders people don't understand what's going on. You propose a way to educate them. I also suggest that we could just stop listening to the uninformed. White, male landowners are already pretty based on immigration. Back in the day, we didn't need to house illegals in weird places to get the point across. Democracy as a decision making mechanism just didn't listen to the chronically-uninformed.
As fun as your proposal sounds, we can't have a government program to educate on every issue. If stupid people are voting, democracy is lost anyways. It is likely to be replaced some sort of authoritarian mechanism, because people will value safety over freedom when it comes down to it. We've seen that before.
For all I know, democracy is entirely untenable, but it seems like it really went sideways with the expansion of the franchise. I'd like to see us roll that back before we go straight into the government placing illegals in people's houses.
there are already tons of rules that supposed to ensure the quality of people we let in, none of them are enforced, until we have a functioning government that's not actively working against the citizens, none of the proposed measures matter anyway
Simultaneously "not happening, it's a good thing and you deserve it".
The argument they make is that the invasion doesn't actually replace the white people; just adds to them.
I find this a pointless thing to argue about.
Because it's not about our absolute numbers. It's about the quality of the culture that we live in.
To the extent that a leftist will have this argument with you, I think we shouldn't talk past each other. The invasion does actually suppress the white birthrate, because of competition for resources. And the browning of the population reduces the quality of life for everyone. This is theoretical, but if we actually let in masses of white people -- there are more than a few who want in -- I think it wouldn't be nearly as bad.
America is a representative democracy. Every immigrant dilutes the franchise for every citizen.
Also, the white population literally decreased from 2010 to 2020. By millions.
Just ask them why it's called "replacement immigration" instead of "addition immigration" or something like that. Odds are good it'll just fry their NPC brains and cause them to call you a nazi, but at least it should get them to shut up about it for a while.
https://archive.is/https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/ageing/replacement-migration.asp
I find this is quick, punchy and ends all arguments as it can't be argued against and is persuasive gold. The next thing that comes out of people's mouths after this is normally a personal attack or cognitive dissonance nonsense.
I guess unless they're coherently making the magic soil argument.
There is no such thing as 'magic soil'. It's just bullshit argument made - again - by extreme jewish leftists(Hello, Caplan!) who live in gated communities and have never been around immigrants, ever.
One example that sticks in my head is when I was talking to a friend of mine. His family is italian(there's alot around where I am), and there is a part of his family,* to this fucking day*, almost a fucking century after they immigrated that they do not interact with and know better than to try.
Why?
Cause they're involved in organized crime.
A fucking century.
Magic soil doesn't exist. Import a country, you get that country, and I don't want to live in another country.
calling it "magic soil" is the best and simplest way I know how to point out the absurdity of that.
They are right, but only in part.
They have no intention of replacing all white people, that is true. What they want is to create a Tower Of Bable civilization, where each ethnic, religious, sexual, or otherwise identitarian group is ruled by a party-boss system; where members of that group are entirely dependent on a single political machine to control any political or civic acts anyone in that group engages in. Then they want to institutionalize it.
They don't want to exterminate white people (at least most of them don't, only the large minority do, somewhere above 10%), they just want to turn the world into Lebanon.
You know, a stable country...
I do think they want to make us all into Mestizos tho. Pushing Mestizos as white.
The problem is that the Americanization of "white" means the term is already fluid and doesn't make sense. It's original use was more to describe the people of British descent. So, by definition, "white" being expanded out to include Spaniards, Russians, and literally the people of the Caucuses already changes the dynamic of who is white and who is mixed race.
On top of that, you already have white simply being adopted as a slur against mestizos. If you are mixed race, and politically approved: you're "brown", if you are mixed race and politically disapproved: you're "white". So, the entire political Left isn't even working with a definition of white that isn't simply just a slur and a stand-in for "bourgeoise". So, "pushing mestizos" doesn't make sense within their framework.
The crux of it seems to be that the open borders people don't understand what's going on. You propose a way to educate them. I also suggest that we could just stop listening to the uninformed. White, male landowners are already pretty based on immigration. Back in the day, we didn't need to house illegals in weird places to get the point across. Democracy as a decision making mechanism just didn't listen to the chronically-uninformed.
As fun as your proposal sounds, we can't have a government program to educate on every issue. If stupid people are voting, democracy is lost anyways. It is likely to be replaced some sort of authoritarian mechanism, because people will value safety over freedom when it comes down to it. We've seen that before.
For all I know, democracy is entirely untenable, but it seems like it really went sideways with the expansion of the franchise. I'd like to see us roll that back before we go straight into the government placing illegals in people's houses.
Curtis Yarvan did a recent piece and mentioned this. Live in Johannesburg for a week.
any immigrant needs a sponsor who is one hundred percent on the hook for their crimes.
there are already tons of rules that supposed to ensure the quality of people we let in, none of them are enforced, until we have a functioning government that's not actively working against the citizens, none of the proposed measures matter anyway