I have a very liberal co-worker and we get along (we never discuss politics) and she went on a rant about about trans rights and the ban on the transing of children in Texas and gave the usual screed about old white men and then she kept going on about how she couldn't believe anyone would be stupid enough to vote for Gov. Abbott. That was when I told her that I had voted for him and she was shocked and said she thought I was more progressive. I then asked her if a kid can tell you that he/she is the opposite sex and we have to take that as the gospel truth, then why can't a 10 year old tell me that he wants beer for him and his friends at his birthday party because he is mature enough to make such a decision. Heck, why have any restrictions for kids?
She told me it wasn't the same thing and walked away. I remember about 20 years ago someone told me that the end game for the lgbt activists (not the ones who truly want to be left alone of course) was pedophilia and I told him that he was being paranoid. Now, I fear that the day is common with the mainstream media will openly defend pedophilia once they can "normalize" a kid changing their sex.
The idea of "trans" kids completely abolishes the concept of childhood. That's a feature, not a bug.
That should be plain as day, but then when you mention other things they act like it is two different things. Like smoking and drinking.... why not let some 8 year olds light up a cigar because by their logic an 8 year old girl can tell me she is really a boy so if an 8 year old girl says she can handle a cigar why not let her smoke? Pure insanity!
They will eventually support those other things, too.
Quite unlikely. Like Smith, you make the mistake of assuming logic and thinking they will be driven to logical consistency.
If smoking and drinking led people to support the establishment, the media would advocate it for babies, and the left would follow. But it doesn't. So they won't.
Yes I'm extremely sure. These people scream "think of the children" when it comes to guns, but not to obesity causing fast foods, personal vehicles, cigarettes, alcohol, and other various drugs. They care so much about child safety they will advocate ban all guns everywhere, but not anything else I mentioned, and that's mostly because they like those things.
They're driven by what is uploaded into their NPC brains. That's it.
I don't think they think that far ahead. But maybe that's America and its private health insurance. Here, the governments are very tyrannical in trying to force you to do what they think is good for your health.
It makes sense: who is making the money for the politicians to waste?
I can see that this is happening, I just don't know why. You can say that "a corrupted country is easier to rule", but bear in mind that is in the far future (this is a slow process) and it has no benefits for the current rulers, nor for the activists pushing
Easier to coerce an intoxicated person into sex than the same person sober. Yeah the pedos will support at least alcohol and drugs like weed for all ages.
they don't want the 8 year olds they want to molest sound like 60 year old throat cancer patients
I think your framing is off.
The proper framing, a proper equivalency, would be "if an 8 year old girl can take mind and body-damaging drugs of her own volition, even against her parents' wishes, then why not also let her have other mind and body-damaging drugs?" (Even agnostic on the trans issues, the trans drugs do raise cancer risks, so even if you are pro-trans, it's a valid equivalency, doesn't need to be the immediate negative effects of those drugs).
That makes better sense. Thanks
That's it. There's no reason to make childhood about sex except the alterior motives they have. If adults don't tell about it, kids do not really care to know until they are puberty age.
Your co-worker will see it too, in 20 years.
I think a great many people are aware of what the mainstream is doing. It's just that they never report on us, except to call us names and how evil we are. We're also censored from talking on any mainstream platforms.
It's why I, and many others, have abandoned the mainstream right wing. They don't act in our best interests, they perpetually offer solutions that either don't work, or are 5-50 years too late, or more regularly they just offer "strongly worded" condemnations but don't actually do anything, they don't conserve anything, have capitulated on every subject over the last several decades, never, ever, push back and regain ground that we've lost, even when they've regained political power, and have abandoned their political base (White people) for our Kalergi plan replacements (non-whites), which means they know what open borders and mass immigration is doing, but rather than stop it, have abandoned White people. At the minimum, it makes them ineffectual, cowards, and contemptible weaklings.
Given their repeated pattern of behavior, I believe it's much more likely that they're a controlled opposition, a false choice trap, to entrap people from moving further right, to give us the illusion of resistance, while our efforts, votes, and donations are wasted, to propagandize and lure us with false arguments. It's quite clever, but still abhorrent, evil, and inherently dishonest. Allow heated "debate" within a small window, and control both sides of the debate, while pushing the window toward evil, the true end goal, and attack any opposition outside that window, from both sides.
There are a few wins credited to the right, but that's more associated with local politics, which are less likely to be corrupt, and enable genuine people to prevail. In any case, this false choice trap isn't just with political parties, but with media as well.
The reason why you don't hear mainstream rightwing media pundits or politicians voicing vicious opposition to this clear evil, and effective strategies at fighting it, is that it's all theater. They give the illusion of resistance, but offer none but eventual compromise. We've already seen the mainstream right acquiesce to trannies, trying to push the "based trannies" recently. Give it a few years and they'll be pushing the idea of "based pedos", and that "we were the true pedo supporters all along". I wish I was joking. It's also why you see the mainstream right attack anyone to their right, using the same arguments and ad hominems as the left, and even censor the same certain topics.
In any case, the mainstream right wing needs to be abandoned, and new choices offered, in terms of political parties, leaders, businesses, and media organizations. With how much the mainstream left and right are accelerating toward evil, the opportunity is rife for actual resistance, solutions that work, to regain ground. That starts small, and local. Many don't want to put in the effort, but I do know such people and organizations would gain a lot of support very quickly.
Conservatives are naturally obedient and deferential towards authority. Because for most of history, authority has enforced that which was necessary: social order, property rights, national defense. They have no antibodies against authority that has become cancerous, until it is too late.
This is why, I think, the most effective people at fighting the current rising tyranny are either former leftists or current leftists. Or others, like DJT. Anybody but conservatives.
American conservatives are some of the most obstinate motherfuckers ever. Their problem is more so that their resistance is so clockwork, it can be co-opted easily.
Just wait until they start asking why we should bother with an age of consent. That's the crazy train's ultimate destination. Transing kids is just a detour because even retarded normies won't accept pedophilia without preparation.
It's funny because "4 year olds know they're girls" and "a 19 year old dating a 17 year old is an example of extreme power imbalances due to the age gap" are opinions they hold at the exact same time.
It's because they don't have standards or principles, besides gaining power.
They're literally unable to think critically.
It's already happening and they're not laughed/beaten out of the room anymore...
Sadly some already are
There is no bottom depth to hell world, only more hell.
You think age of consent is the end goal, but it's not. Many (most?) of the people in power are literal satan worshippers, taking the form of ancient Saturn cults. Such practices involve all forms of sexual degeneracy, and child sacrifice. You don't think there's new ground they can push? What about publically displaying incestual relations, pedophilia, or miscegenation, or any other sexual degeneracy, live on TV, or parade it on the streets like current "pride" events, or in schools? What about publically displayed human torture, or child sacrifice, or open genocide against White people, all while being "celebrated"?
We're nowhere near the end goal. The people in power are evil. Good people are often fooled by evil, because they don't think like them.
I REALLY think we should look at the age laws on a lot of things, like 18 is too young to vote we need to up that to 25 minimum while to work with conditions I'd say 14 is fine as if you prefer to drop out of education and work and get a diploma from online courses that should be an option.
The reason for this disconnect is the left NEVER left childhood, they refuse to accept full responsibility for their actions wanting something, usually government, to care for their needs but they still want to enjoy all the things that come with adulthood. It's why they want to remove the barriers to childhood so they can still escape adulthood responsibility, just because kids get sucked into a world they aren't mature enough to understand is of little consequence to them.
18 would be too young to vote if voting had any effect.
But you're never too young to suck on a pacifier.
That's the kicker isn't it? We don't allow underage kids the following:
Yet we somehow are to be perfectly comfortable with child mutilating themselves based on reasons which would be laughed and dismissed when applied to any above.
Also look at the juvenile justice system. It basically boils down to "Hey, those are kids, they don't really understand what they did, so we shouldn't punish them as much as an adult."
But they understand what mutilating their body means...
Great point. Would be crazy to see a defense lawyer simultaneously argue that his client was too young to understand the crime, but belongs in a woman's juvenile detention center for trans'ing
You can't even use a tanning booth if you're a kid in many states. Yet we'll let you go full zipperchest or eunuch. Even chemical eunuch is abhorrent, but happening everywhere.
For millennial and younger women, Trans Rights are an even more important cause than abortion. You can't have any kind of reasonable conversation with them about it, it's simply not possible because they didn't reason their way into how they feel about it.
Modern Western man has no opinion he reasoned himself into.
On a side note to this topic I figure I'd share a detail about my life. Despite being American born and raised I did grow up with what was claimed to be a European sentiment regarding drinking. Probably beginning around the age of ten or so I would be offered some wine with dinner. I did not have a problem with this and didn't think wine was all that tasty at the time anyway. It did however demystify wine and taught me that different kinds of wine go with different kinds of meals.
As for the actual topic, you really have to be pretty damn stupid to think it is in any way a good idea to offer a child or even just a young person the possibility to permanently and destructively alter their body for no good end at all.
If a kid is confused about their own sexuality, you just have to let them sort it out like it has been done for the history of humanity. At best you talk with them and explain that it isn't all that unusual and that in time their confusion will ebb and they will sort out their fate.
Definitely agree with the alcohol part as a European. We were drunk the first time with people you've known for years. And you could rarely be black out drunk, cause you had to sleep at your own home (or at a friends), so adults would realize what you did. So when we're living on our own in university we already had experiences with alcohol. And hopefully learned from them.
I agree about demystifying alcohol. I’ve known some Europeans who explained that. I just used that example since that was the first thing that popped into my head at the time
Something I've learned from most liberal friends is they truly believe they are in the middle, and true conservative beliefs are slightly to the right of them. Anything beyond that is fringe extremist politics. Even when shown they are very far left, and the middle is much further than they think, they listen to NPR, and other liberal media that convinces them otherwise. It's a media reinforced bubble that is very difficult to break through.
Everyone else is talking about age of consent, but I bet child labor laws are a big aim. We see big statements about Chinese factories with children making products, but there is a history of children being coal miners and farmers in ours. If you saw the age of new soldiers throughout history you would be shocked. You will see this erode, and possibly even from a 'right wing' push.
Ultimately though all the pushes look to be for a Eunuch class again. When they took over China, it meant a new dynasty would begin. A slave class for bureaucracy that rules for the sake of bureaucracy not the country. Wars will rage, and keeping the emperor happy will be deemed more important. The class system will be rigidly held, and if you want power you need to consent to the demands of the government. It's a Eunuch opportunity to move up in the world. To achieve this means changing every law and precedent from the last 100 years and mocking anyone who gets in the way.
This question of yours has your usual issue of assuming that just because you think logically, others do as well. They don't.
So let me answer your question. Because the media did not tell them that the drinking age is bad.
As for pedophilia, it's long been part of the 'sexual liberation' movement, of which homosexuality was also a part. Many people know of the petition by 'French' intellectuals arguing for the abolition of the age of consent. Many politicians in the 70s through the 90s had very extreme positions on the age of consent. In the early 1990s, ILGA (an international homosexual organization) was barred from the UN for having pro-pedophilia members.
I vaguely remember hearing about that petition
I think a great argument to use with such people is to point out how we medically treat people who present other body dysmorphia issues.
If you talk with your friend about this again you might ask her to consider the treatment of anorexic children. Anorexia is just like gender dysmorphia in that the sufferer believes something about their own body which is just not true.
The standard of care for anorexia to assist the patient with developing realistic body images, nutrition education, improving self esteem and so forth. It most certainly is not to affirm the patient's faulty body image. And it absolutely is not to prescribe body alterations to 'affirm' the patient's dysmorphia, regardless of how badly they feel they need it.
The situation with 'gender affirming care' is exactly like agreeing with a rail thin anorexic girl that she is too fat, then going on to prescribe her diet drugs and liposuction surgery.
Yea I never understood that. Transgenderism is the only delusion that people affirm.
There needs to be a singular age of majority.
“Let kids drink so it’s easier for them to give consent.”
you have to think about it in their backwards lens
To them, your gender is not what you can biologically do in the reproductive cycle, but how you present yourself to the world. to put it simply, they conflate gender with personality.
that said, they also believe that gender is tied to your biological makeup on a cosmetic level. if you have a penis, you have the body of a boy and if you have a vagina and breasts, you have the body of a girl.
thus, any person who presents themselves as one gender but has the cosmetic features of another is obviously broken and needs corrective surgery and treatments. they are ill until they have received treatment, and there is no age limit to being treated for an illness.
the fundamental truth that needs correcting for them is that gender is not a personality. it is not how you present yourself to the world, or how you think about yourself. that's your ego. gender, and sex, are all about your role in the reproductive cycle and only your role in the reproductive cycle. the truly liberal view on this is that your gender does not define how you talk, how you dress, or the things that you like.
to anyone where this is obvious, a child transition is rightly considered a very unethical thing to do. this is because your gender does not define your personality, so if someone acts in a "feminine" way but is a boy, there is nothing actually wrong with them. you don't prescribe invasive treatments and surgeries to people who are not ill. like plastic surgery, if someone wants to go ahead and modify their body to look different on a cosmetic level, and they can consent this, then nothing should stop them. a child cannot consent to this kind of radical change in their body for cosmetic reasons, the same way a child cannot consent to a permanent tattoo.
the worst are the people who claim that it's reversible, because it absolutely is not. a child that goes down the path of hormone drugs, so-called puberty blockers, or surgeries can have the damage mitigated, but it would never be fully reversed. they will carry the scars of this abusive treatment for the rest of their life.
I'm pretty sure we're saying the same thing, but in different words. Yes, gender and sex are synonymous. They mean the exact same thing, but gender is easier to say because it not a homophone to the hanky panky.
"Gender identity" is the bullshit fake term invented by a pedophile who forced kids to do sexual acts to eachother.
"Gender transition" and "sex change" are also the same thing, and while they are not actually changing the patient's gender, they are surgically changing the patient to look the part. In the propper cases, this is done to help the patient cope with actual gender dysphoria, which is extremely rare and MASSIVELY overdiagnosed today. They call it a "transition" because the patient needs to believe that otherwise its pointless.
The irony is that they call it 'gender transition' while also claiming that whoever calls himself a woman 'was always a woman'. If you always were a woman, why are you 'transitioning' to it?
And detransers, they say, were always men after all. Literally "Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia. I MEAN EURASIA."
Even their fake world of make-believe is not consistent.
Think you are missing the cult of science. "Believe the science." They have offloaded this entire discussion to experts. Because the science and the experts recommend affirming care, it cannot be harmful. They will avoid any knowledge counter to this belief and ignore facts counter to this belief.
This is similar to the vax cult. You are not allowed to suggest that they are in anyway unsafe. Even if you literally take it infront of them and die, they'll probably just say, "pre-existing condition" All the data about never tested against true placebos, no real safety tracking because voluntary, bias structured testing, corporate capture of approval committees, everything that's been disclosed now about mRNA risks. Nope, anyone who questions effectiveness and safety is a anti-vaxxer. No amount of data could matter, the discuss already took place between experts! The news told me. Government indoctrination camps (schools) told me,
Also very true. This is how they enforce their backwards ideology, but I maintain it is still important to understand exactly what they believe so we can properly identify the problem.
You mentioning plastic surgery reminded me of a story I heard. I can't remember exactly where but it was a friend or a coworker not like an online source. They had a friend who's kid had a pretty severe facial disfigurement from an accident. They mentioned that they had to wait until they were 18 to be able to consent to the plastic surgeries to make their face look more normal. I found that odd as I didn't expect that to be the case. So they can consent to genital removal but not fixing a disfigurement?
That's messed up, and IMO doesn't track. The kid had an injury that messed up his face, that's easily classifiable as an illness. The plastic surgery would be to remedy the illness.
I didn't research the rules so I can't confirm it was true. The topic didn't come up in political conversation so I have no reason to think it was made up or anything.
yeah, and I'm speaking in a philosophical sense not necessarily a legal or medical sense, so I don't really know either.
Although I completely endorse bla_bla_bla's points, this is a very good comment all the same.
A lot of anti-establishment forces fall in the trap of using the establishment's terminology.
No, I did not misgender him. I correctly gendered him.
Because the infiltration and subversion of the very old liquor industry hasn't been completed yet.
People that talk about trender topics in real life are victims of the social media powered clown world we're living in. And they also tend to be mentally unhinged. Thread carefully, but I fear it's already too late and your 'co-worker' is going stabbity stabbity on your reputation behind your back.
The trender topic is similar to aposematic hair coloring in the female gender. They're alerting their immediate environment that they're poisonous nutcases.