The rest of the film seems to be deconstructions of Barbie tropes. Which is like, a good premise for a Twilight Zone episode, or possibly a B plot for Rick & Morty story line.
The abstraction of reality is way past gone on this one. We are dealing with Food Fight! logic.
This has the feel of what is becoming a pretty standard trend: a “girl” thing will be hyped to all hell, be all over the news for a hot minute, turn out to suck ass, be nevertheless defended vigorously by The Movement, and then be forgotten again in a few months.
Ghostbusters 2016 is perhaps the classic example, but more recently we’ve seen this trend with She-hulk and Velma. For tv shows we can expect to go through it again with each season, of course. But Barbie has already been hyped to hell and is all over entertainment news, and it sounds like stage 3 (turns out it sucks) will go live soon as people start seeing it. Expect social media SJWs to be all over the algorithm defending it and then for it to be forgotten by September!
The thing is, they seem to be desperately trying to make that happen. They want that entire girl hype train and defense run for themselves.
But literally the only people they managed to hook where extremist guys posting "literally me" images of Ryan Gosling who were only interested in seeing it for him. The exact type of people they hate the most, and the media will tear the movie apart if they catch wind of them in the fanbase.
Hollywood hasn't been original in so long... they thought they had the formula figured out. They actually thought that an IP by itself drove profits - and it did, for a time.
But now that they are stuck in this lazy cycle they can't get out. And the writers and actors want more?
It turns out your hack writers can photocopy something good from your childhood, get something decent, and make a quick buck, but then your new hack writers photocopy something decent from their childhood, and you get something bad, and nobody but the audience seems to realize it's bad.
I dont think Greta is ready for the sheer amount of Gosling "He's literally me" memes if Ken creates a brotopia in the film before it's torn down by feminism. Nobody will care about the actual supposed message
This is going to be really interesting because the pre-sale numbers are supposedly utterly massive for this movie. It's a near certainty that it will have a huge opening. But, the question is how many of the people who are going to see it think they are getting an adultish feminist diatribe instead of a fun family movie about a beloved toy character. Hopefully this will result in terrible word of mouth and a massive decline after the opening.
I think it was a bit obvious from everything we've seen that it was going to be some sort of meta commentary that could have been a hilarious film, but stuff like this makes me think they're going all in, past the line of funny and into the realm of stupidity.
Are you sure they didn't say they wanted to make Amy Shumer into Barbies, rather than into Barbie, because all that fat would help make a lot of dolls? 🤔
Search YouTube for Life in the Dreamhouse. The much better Barbie series. Has fun with Barbie gags and doesn't treat Ken poorly even if he is a earnest Himbo.
In a bizarre twist of fate, the My Little Pony movie that came out a few years ago is far more even-hoofed (forgive me) in its presentation of a "girl's property." Despite the show cast being 90% women, there's no real 'woman power' narrative to be seen at all. It's all about responsibility and friendship and regular kid stuff. No bitter cynicism to be found. Barbie could have followed in those same footsteps and been a surprise, but alas, the poison has sunk far too deep.
True. Brannon Braga, who wrote "Threshold," universally considered the single worst episode of Star Trek Voyager, said about it and the many episodes he'd written:
"A hundred-some episodes, you're going to have some stinkers!"
I think at this point everyone on the staff knows that more than half their market is adult men and that they can't try to pull off some feministy switcharoo without tanking themselves.
They would never do this, but a far more interesting movie or sub plot could revolve around Ken exploring the fact that he's missing a lot of reference points about what it means to be a man.
Oh well, I guess the lesson for this is that the trailer guys are getting better at editing down the schlock they're forced to work with into something capable of generating buzz.
The rest of the film seems to be deconstructions of Barbie tropes. Which is like, a good premise for a Twilight Zone episode, or possibly a B plot for Rick & Morty story line.
The abstraction of reality is way past gone on this one. We are dealing with Food Fight! logic.
IOW, current-day Hollywood boilerplate trash.
At least 80s boilerplate trash was fun.
Again, Great Gerwig = trash final product.
I've seen her try to claim that she's the next Nolan, "I want to make a small low budget film and then make one for the studio just like him!"
She's the result of decades of academy education
This has the feel of what is becoming a pretty standard trend: a “girl” thing will be hyped to all hell, be all over the news for a hot minute, turn out to suck ass, be nevertheless defended vigorously by The Movement, and then be forgotten again in a few months.
Ghostbusters 2016 is perhaps the classic example, but more recently we’ve seen this trend with She-hulk and Velma. For tv shows we can expect to go through it again with each season, of course. But Barbie has already been hyped to hell and is all over entertainment news, and it sounds like stage 3 (turns out it sucks) will go live soon as people start seeing it. Expect social media SJWs to be all over the algorithm defending it and then for it to be forgotten by September!
The thing is, they seem to be desperately trying to make that happen. They want that entire girl hype train and defense run for themselves.
But literally the only people they managed to hook where extremist guys posting "literally me" images of Ryan Gosling who were only interested in seeing it for him. The exact type of people they hate the most, and the media will tear the movie apart if they catch wind of them in the fanbase.
Do you think Barbie will succeed?
Your comparison to Ghostbusters 2016 makes sense, but that movie flopped.
Could history repeat itself with Barbie, or could it actually profit?
Hollywood hasn't been original in so long... they thought they had the formula figured out. They actually thought that an IP by itself drove profits - and it did, for a time.
But now that they are stuck in this lazy cycle they can't get out. And the writers and actors want more?
Cool, I hope their whole little world collapses.
It turns out your hack writers can photocopy something good from your childhood, get something decent, and make a quick buck, but then your new hack writers photocopy something decent from their childhood, and you get something bad, and nobody but the audience seems to realize it's bad.
Well I mean they do fight back against the Kens and win, but I figured that was an obvious plot point so didn’t mention it
Yeah believe it or not it's not Woke -> Kill Hollywood
It's Hollywood becomes anemic -> Woke Invades
This should’ve been a slam dunk movie for little girls. Or an edgy comedy with the hangover or Porkys humor
You guys think that all the barbieheimer astroturfing is going to work though?
Yes, but the following weeks will drop off faster than expected.
Upvoted just for Barbieheimer
I dont think Greta is ready for the sheer amount of Gosling "He's literally me" memes if Ken creates a brotopia in the film before it's torn down by feminism. Nobody will care about the actual supposed message
This is going to be really interesting because the pre-sale numbers are supposedly utterly massive for this movie. It's a near certainty that it will have a huge opening. But, the question is how many of the people who are going to see it think they are getting an adultish feminist diatribe instead of a fun family movie about a beloved toy character. Hopefully this will result in terrible word of mouth and a massive decline after the opening.
I think it was a bit obvious from everything we've seen that it was going to be some sort of meta commentary that could have been a hilarious film, but stuff like this makes me think they're going all in, past the line of funny and into the realm of stupidity.
does this surprise anyone for gods sake they wanted amy muh vagina schumer to play barbie.
Are you sure they didn't say they wanted to make Amy Shumer into Barbies, rather than into Barbie, because all that fat would help make a lot of dolls? 🤔
I was actually willing to check this out in theaters when the trailers first dropped. They completely fucking blew it.
Search YouTube for Life in the Dreamhouse. The much better Barbie series. Has fun with Barbie gags and doesn't treat Ken poorly even if he is a earnest Himbo.
My middle kid watched it when he was little for whatever reason, and it was legitimately funny
Yea it has solid characters and some good humor even about itself. Barbie being proficient at everything because she's been everything is a good gag.
In a bizarre twist of fate, the My Little Pony movie that came out a few years ago is far more even-hoofed (forgive me) in its presentation of a "girl's property." Despite the show cast being 90% women, there's no real 'woman power' narrative to be seen at all. It's all about responsibility and friendship and regular kid stuff. No bitter cynicism to be found. Barbie could have followed in those same footsteps and been a surprise, but alas, the poison has sunk far too deep.
Former brony here (yes, I admit it).
Friendship is Magic caught on like it did because it deserved it. It was genuinely great.
But it lasted just long enough to go woke in season 10, and then it died.
Granted, how many shows go for that long without dropping in some level of quality.
True. Brannon Braga, who wrote "Threshold," universally considered the single worst episode of Star Trek Voyager, said about it and the many episodes he'd written:
"A hundred-some episodes, you're going to have some stinkers!"
I think at this point everyone on the staff knows that more than half their market is adult men and that they can't try to pull off some feministy switcharoo without tanking themselves.
no nipples
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX_TxKa0dCY
There is no cultural touchstone they will leave unmolested.
Either "she stronk empowdered" having an abortion or "xheir being affirming" by having her doll tits butchered.
Either way, IDGAF and they were already not getting my money.
They would never do this, but a far more interesting movie or sub plot could revolve around Ken exploring the fact that he's missing a lot of reference points about what it means to be a man.
Oh well, I guess the lesson for this is that the trailer guys are getting better at editing down the schlock they're forced to work with into something capable of generating buzz.
If midway through the movie Ken starts turning into bearded G.I. Joe...?
Nice.
This is clearly a movie for women. I suspect it will resonate with it's target audience.
So people who grew up with Barbie but are now bitter and jaded and want that reflected in the media they consume?
I.e. most modern women, and yes it sure looks that way.
Sad Barbie
when does the nuke go off?