The critics claim the lifestyle wasn't real because TV isn't real life, but then they repeat the lie (which is constantly reinforced by TV shows) that most housewives in the 50's were treated like cattle.
They're falsely claiming that part of this is about glorifying the worst negative Hollywood tropes about the 50's housewife. It has nothing to do with that, but they need to pretend it does so they can call it dangerous.
In the 50s my grandmother was a stay at home mom and my grandfather worked and they seemed to raise a decent family. She would do some part time work as her kids got older. I hate how they make it seem like torture
My grandmother was a poor white woman from around Appalachia and in addition to doing household stuff, raising a family and cooking, she worked in a factory, winding electrical wires (e.g. around a motor). Fucked up her hands for the rest of her life but that lady never once complained about a damn thing in her life.
Near the end of her life she fell and cracked some of the vertebrae in her back. She wasn't paralyzed or anything, but it had to hurt terribly. At the doctor's office they asked her pain on a scale of 1-10. She said no pain. She tried to stand up, hissed in pain, but kept going and tried to leave. The doctor who was probably in his 20s, was like "wtf is happening."
Her life, like many of that era, was a tragedy. She stopped school after 7th grade so she could stay home and raise her siblings after her mother died. Dad was alcoholic and abusive. Dirt poor, family almost starved one winter, surviving only on a 100 lb bag of dried beans they had bartered for. She said she could never eat beans again after that. She lost one kid during childbirth and another one after a nurse at the hospital dropped her baby (?!). In her 70s raised her grandkids who had deadbeat parents.
What is sad is that we don’t have people like your grandmother around anymore. My grandparents had similar stories and I’m glad I spent summers with them growing up
We grew up (well, my age demo did anyway) in the "ashes of civilization" and many, myself included, did not have the blessing to have or see good, stable families in our most formative years. Putting aside the existence of some who intentionally make social practices like marriage seem utterly miserable, we shouldn't be surprised they write what they do because what other experience do they have?
I couldn't tell you what makes a good marriage but thankfully I do know they exist because I see them every time I go to my parish. I wouldn't have said this ten years ago!
It's funny how feminism is all about female choice until a woman makes a choice that the feminists disapprove of. Then they try to bully her into submission.
Best of all, being high on the agreeable trait makes them much less likely to ask for a pay rise or complain when management increases the duties without reviewing the job description.
If women don't take off time to have a baby or raise their kids, they become the ideal worker. They are given to accepting emotional rewards.over financial remuneration and they play politics rather than chase higher wages.
Men are so annoying "we need someone to be here to open the dock for the truck" "we need to hire someone to unload the truck" "stop bugging me I'm trying to get the truck unloaded".
Women just show up, ask you questions that make you feel good about yourself, and don't do these annoying things.
On some level, I feel like they know the actual horrors of the housewife were that housewives with nothing to do once appliances made their work quick - became monsters.
They're always trying to create a narrative around this point.
I recall reading an article talking about how the food companies started to bring in psychologists around that time. Iirc Betty Crocker or some such company had a cake mix but it wasn't selling well. The psych figures out there basically wasn't anything for the women using the mix to do. You just combined the stuff in the box, put it in the oven, and bam it was done. The effort and work that went into cake making was a large part of what made it enjoyable for the women baking. Using the mix wasn't enjoyable and so sales suffered.
Coincidentally, cake decorating became a huge thing at the same time. Funny, that.
As an aside, I think a similar thing is at work with TV dinners. I doubt actually taking them out of the microwave half way through to r o t a t e the meat 5° does a single thing, but hey it probably feels to enough people like they're doing something. We've willed away effort through the magic of technology and so have to make do with these surrogate activities.
Yeah I used to hate eating stuff that was warmed up because 5% of it avoids getting hit and remains frozen/stuck together/etc. You bite into it and it's yech.
Once I started stirring everything halfway through that problem went away. Stirring in the middle of heating meant everything tasted as good/bad in the middle as it did at the start.
I think this might be backwards, women became such monsters as they got older and had nothing to do, they were desperate to be able to get away from them.
I know that's the opposite of the feminist narrative, but I've nearly every feminist narrative is grounded in telling the opposite of what actually happened.
Yeah if they were really traditional they would advocate for family law reform. I suspect most of these women just found a clever new way to attract divorce rape victims.
On the whole "tradwives" are a meme as far as I'm concerned. The young rightist's sexual fantasy, no different from the young leftist's bigtiddygothgf
I don't think anyone alive today know what "trad" is and what many think is "trad" - a SAHM, dad as sole breadwinner, 2.5 kids, etc. Is an imagining of a 1950s lifestyle that was only possible when the US was at its apex. I couldn't tell you what trad is but I'd say it's more multi-generational households, cottage industry, etc. per what Mary Harrington et al. have written on the topic. Most peoples' experience before the Industrial Revolution utterly wrecked community and human interrelation
Edit: I guess the Mennonites or Amish would be the closest groups I could think of that're the closest thing to "trad" today.
Easiest way to tell if a woman is "Trad". Ask if she thinks women should vote. Ask if she's alright if the man has 100% control of the finances. Ask if she thinks women should work. Ask of she thinks women should be 100% responsible for the children, cooking and cleaning. Ask if she thinks it's okay for men to hit women who misbehave in order to put women in their place. Lastly, ask if she thinks it's okay for a woman to deny her husband sex if he wants sex.
The way she answers these questions will tell you all you need to know. Very few women are "Trad". Most women are just trying to maximize their own interests and use the label of Trad as a different niche to pursue.
Women should never be 100% responsible for the children, that's fucking retarded. That's quite literally the mentality that led us to the situation we're in. Children need fathers.
That's not what I mean. What I mean is the woman isn't telling the husband to change the diaper and watch the kid for her because she wants to go party with her girlfriends.
Obviously, the father needs to be involved in the child's life but the rearing is the woman's job, not his. A fathers job is more mentoring and teaching morals/values/skills/play. The woman does the "caring".
There's no such thing as a trad relationship in a society where no fault divorce is a thing. As long as she has the ability to divorce rape you and steal your assets the whole thing is a LARP.
It'd be a redflag if I (being in the US) ran into a le based right-wing woman tbh. Like, think about it, you run into a woman, hit it off, and oh she claims she's read Kaczynski. Oh, she totally of her own volition and somehow on her own came to the conclusion that suffrage was a mistake? Yes tell me more about clown world.
Such a woman in the US is either a basket case or a fed. She would be someone to stay as far away from as possible for your own safety.
What's that one tweet you see floating around of that dissident right winger texting his gf/wife? I can't find it since Elon put the log-in rules in but it's basically
>Her: I saw [insert political thing], should I be worried?
>Him: Don't worry about it babe.
>Her: Okay~ ❤️
That's as much of a green flag as you'll probably find.
I don't think anyone alive today know what "trad" is and what many think is "trad" - a SAHM, dad as sole breadwinner, 2.5 kids, etc. Is an imagining of a 1950s lifestyle that was only possible when the US was at its apex.
You say that, but that was literally my upbringing in the 90s.
Yeah, like I said in another response they would have no fault divorce in their sights if they were really trad. These whores just found a new way to attract divorce rape candidates.
Real Trad is where the marriage contract has real expectations that if not met can be punishable. Like for example if a woman marries a man, he cannot rape her and she must provide sex all the time. That her contractual obligation. If she doesn't, she can be punished or he can leave her and she gets $0 from him. No "trad" woman would agree to that.
Modern "Trad" is just a marketing gimmick for feminists looking to trick Tradcucks.
Right-wing tradcucks are no different than bluepilled simps. Same difference. Two sides of the same coin.
It is not 'controversial' to hack off your breasts. It is not 'controversial' to be a pedo. It is controversial to live in accordance with your nature.
I'm getting a mixed signal here, all the streaming TV shows claim everyone is a happy noncriminal mixed color-but-still "white"-in-behavior transgayphedo couple. Is this a lie?
The critics claim the lifestyle wasn't real because TV isn't real life, but then they repeat the lie (which is constantly reinforced by TV shows) that most housewives in the 50's were treated like cattle.
They're falsely claiming that part of this is about glorifying the worst negative Hollywood tropes about the 50's housewife. It has nothing to do with that, but they need to pretend it does so they can call it dangerous.
In the 50s my grandmother was a stay at home mom and my grandfather worked and they seemed to raise a decent family. She would do some part time work as her kids got older. I hate how they make it seem like torture
My grandmother was a poor white woman from around Appalachia and in addition to doing household stuff, raising a family and cooking, she worked in a factory, winding electrical wires (e.g. around a motor). Fucked up her hands for the rest of her life but that lady never once complained about a damn thing in her life.
Near the end of her life she fell and cracked some of the vertebrae in her back. She wasn't paralyzed or anything, but it had to hurt terribly. At the doctor's office they asked her pain on a scale of 1-10. She said no pain. She tried to stand up, hissed in pain, but kept going and tried to leave. The doctor who was probably in his 20s, was like "wtf is happening."
Her life, like many of that era, was a tragedy. She stopped school after 7th grade so she could stay home and raise her siblings after her mother died. Dad was alcoholic and abusive. Dirt poor, family almost starved one winter, surviving only on a 100 lb bag of dried beans they had bartered for. She said she could never eat beans again after that. She lost one kid during childbirth and another one after a nurse at the hospital dropped her baby (?!). In her 70s raised her grandkids who had deadbeat parents.
She was the strongest person I've ever met.
What is sad is that we don’t have people like your grandmother around anymore. My grandparents had similar stories and I’m glad I spent summers with them growing up
We grew up (well, my age demo did anyway) in the "ashes of civilization" and many, myself included, did not have the blessing to have or see good, stable families in our most formative years. Putting aside the existence of some who intentionally make social practices like marriage seem utterly miserable, we shouldn't be surprised they write what they do because what other experience do they have?
I couldn't tell you what makes a good marriage but thankfully I do know they exist because I see them every time I go to my parish. I wouldn't have said this ten years ago!
Awesome. Same here. I see great families at my church.
It's funny how feminism is all about female choice until a woman makes a choice that the feminists disapprove of. Then they try to bully her into submission.
Women's place is in the cube farm.
Best of all, being high on the agreeable trait makes them much less likely to ask for a pay rise or complain when management increases the duties without reviewing the job description.
If women don't take off time to have a baby or raise their kids, they become the ideal worker. They are given to accepting emotional rewards.over financial remuneration and they play politics rather than chase higher wages.
It is a plan without drawbacks!
Men are so annoying "we need someone to be here to open the dock for the truck" "we need to hire someone to unload the truck" "stop bugging me I'm trying to get the truck unloaded".
Women just show up, ask you questions that make you feel good about yourself, and don't do these annoying things.
What could possibly go wrong...
On some level, I feel like they know the actual horrors of the housewife were that housewives with nothing to do once appliances made their work quick - became monsters.
They're always trying to create a narrative around this point.
I recall reading an article talking about how the food companies started to bring in psychologists around that time. Iirc Betty Crocker or some such company had a cake mix but it wasn't selling well. The psych figures out there basically wasn't anything for the women using the mix to do. You just combined the stuff in the box, put it in the oven, and bam it was done. The effort and work that went into cake making was a large part of what made it enjoyable for the women baking. Using the mix wasn't enjoyable and so sales suffered.
Coincidentally, cake decorating became a huge thing at the same time. Funny, that.
As an aside, I think a similar thing is at work with TV dinners. I doubt actually taking them out of the microwave half way through to r o t a t e the meat 5° does a single thing, but hey it probably feels to enough people like they're doing something. We've willed away effort through the magic of technology and so have to make do with these surrogate activities.
Yeah I used to hate eating stuff that was warmed up because 5% of it avoids getting hit and remains frozen/stuck together/etc. You bite into it and it's yech.
Once I started stirring everything halfway through that problem went away. Stirring in the middle of heating meant everything tasted as good/bad in the middle as it did at the start.
It doesn't help that no fault divorce put the family courts at their beck and call.
I think this might be backwards, women became such monsters as they got older and had nothing to do, they were desperate to be able to get away from them.
I know that's the opposite of the feminist narrative, but I've nearly every feminist narrative is grounded in telling the opposite of what actually happened.
If they're hamming it up on youtube or TikTok they're not "Traditional". They're just bog standard attention whores latching on to a new grift.
Yeah if they were really traditional they would advocate for family law reform. I suspect most of these women just found a clever new way to attract divorce rape victims.
Trad wives are just regular thots trying a diff angle.
If they're on social media, probably.
On the whole "tradwives" are a meme as far as I'm concerned. The young rightist's sexual fantasy, no different from the young leftist's bigtiddygothgf
I don't think anyone alive today know what "trad" is and what many think is "trad" - a SAHM, dad as sole breadwinner, 2.5 kids, etc. Is an imagining of a 1950s lifestyle that was only possible when the US was at its apex. I couldn't tell you what trad is but I'd say it's more multi-generational households, cottage industry, etc. per what Mary Harrington et al. have written on the topic. Most peoples' experience before the Industrial Revolution utterly wrecked community and human interrelation
Edit: I guess the Mennonites or Amish would be the closest groups I could think of that're the closest thing to "trad" today.
Easiest way to tell if a woman is "Trad". Ask if she thinks women should vote. Ask if she's alright if the man has 100% control of the finances. Ask if she thinks women should work. Ask of she thinks women should be 100% responsible for the children, cooking and cleaning. Ask if she thinks it's okay for men to hit women who misbehave in order to put women in their place. Lastly, ask if she thinks it's okay for a woman to deny her husband sex if he wants sex.
The way she answers these questions will tell you all you need to know. Very few women are "Trad". Most women are just trying to maximize their own interests and use the label of Trad as a different niche to pursue.
Women should never be 100% responsible for the children, that's fucking retarded. That's quite literally the mentality that led us to the situation we're in. Children need fathers.
That's not what I mean. What I mean is the woman isn't telling the husband to change the diaper and watch the kid for her because she wants to go party with her girlfriends.
Obviously, the father needs to be involved in the child's life but the rearing is the woman's job, not his. A fathers job is more mentoring and teaching morals/values/skills/play. The woman does the "caring".
There's no such thing as a trad relationship in a society where no fault divorce is a thing. As long as she has the ability to divorce rape you and steal your assets the whole thing is a LARP.
It'd be a redflag if I (being in the US) ran into a le based right-wing woman tbh. Like, think about it, you run into a woman, hit it off, and oh she claims she's read Kaczynski. Oh, she totally of her own volition and somehow on her own came to the conclusion that suffrage was a mistake? Yes tell me more about clown world.
Such a woman in the US is either a basket case or a fed. She would be someone to stay as far away from as possible for your own safety.
What's that one tweet you see floating around of that dissident right winger texting his gf/wife? I can't find it since Elon put the log-in rules in but it's basically
>Her: I saw [insert political thing], should I be worried?
>Him: Don't worry about it babe.
>Her: Okay~ ❤️
That's as much of a green flag as you'll probably find.
Great insight, any IG "aesthetic" is some kind of meme or fetish for both the producer and the consumer
You say that, but that was literally my upbringing in the 90s.
I'm pretty sure the leftist equivalent would be a fat troon with hygiene issues.
Perhaps so, but there is value in advertising healthy living as well. Things will only get worse if only truly awful people advertise their lifestyle.
Yeah, like I said in another response they would have no fault divorce in their sights if they were really trad. These whores just found a new way to attract divorce rape candidates.
Real Trad is where the marriage contract has real expectations that if not met can be punishable. Like for example if a woman marries a man, he cannot rape her and she must provide sex all the time. That her contractual obligation. If she doesn't, she can be punished or he can leave her and she gets $0 from him. No "trad" woman would agree to that.
Modern "Trad" is just a marketing gimmick for feminists looking to trick Tradcucks.
Right-wing tradcucks are no different than bluepilled simps. Same difference. Two sides of the same coin.
Unsurprising comment from someone who said that women should be slaves.
Imp is on break again, for 48 days this time, so someone has to step up to the plate.
lol
A woman who married a virgin and has several children with her husband, works at home caring and teaching the children, likely goes to church too.
So like the vast majority of women before the West starting down a path of self-destruction.
Sorry, what? The women themselves are the subject of controversy? Where?
Imagine normality being 'controversial'
As long as the family court system operates the way it does even a trad marriage is a bad idea for men to get involved in.
The dream!
It is not 'controversial' to hack off your breasts. It is not 'controversial' to be a pedo. It is controversial to live in accordance with your nature.
I'm getting a mixed signal here, all the streaming TV shows claim everyone is a happy noncriminal mixed color-but-still "white"-in-behavior transgayphedo couple. Is this a lie?
no, we had a society like that before we started letting people like you do whatever you wanted.
I can't believe the violence these women have to endure!